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As I understand it, locating birth records before 1864 is very difficult. I find there are alot of Arbuckle(s) families.
I am looking for the parents and siblings of my Great Grandfather Andrew Arbuckle - what facts I know. Andrew was born Jan 1, 1858 in Crumlin, Antrim County, he was one of 10 children. He stated in a newspaper article that his father was a prominent farmer. The US census I have found Andrew in states his father was born in Scotland, and his mother was born in Ireland. I have picutres of his parents but no names. It was our understanding he was one of the youngest males and there for would not have anything to inherit. He came to New York in 1879. He had 4 Children Edward Walsh (named after wive's grandfather) , Edith , and Clara Belle, and another son named Albert James who is my grandfather.
Andrew lived to the age 100 years and 8 mo.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Wanda Clowater
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You've posted in Completed requests so a moderator will be moving your topic to the main ANTRIM board ;)
Civil registration of births started in 1864 so before that date you need to see if you can find a baptism record. Not all church records survive but of those that do not all are online.
A few things you'll find in researching Ulster ancestors which can send you off in the wrong direction-
1) place of origin- in Ulster-Scots families Scotland may often be listed as a place of birth and it could be that the person was born in Scotland (families travelled back & forth so not uncommon for a couple to have children born in both places over a period of years OR that they were born in Ireland but their ancestors were Scottish
2) in farming families it wasn't always the eldest son who stayed on the home farm- sometimes it was the youngest son who stayed as the older ones went away. For example, if the eldest son was born when father was 25 by the time he was an adult & ready to start his own family the father was still active and there could be lots of younger siblings. Then, by the time a youngest son was born a father might be in late 40s or 50s so this son would be ready to take on more work as the father got older (or had even died).
Now, to the Arbuckles. When and where did Andrew get married? If in the U.S. does marriage certificate gives names of both parents? what about his death certificate?
For reference-
1882 possible passenger manifest- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS2-ZBN1
1905 census- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK33-8JR
1910 census- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MP19-D18
1920 census- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ2D-2HQ
1930 census- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7C4-D23
1940 census- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ55-JQ7
You said he had 4 children but I count 5 in 1910 although wife said 4 children-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRNY-9MYZ?i=56&cc=1727033
Submitted LDS tree also lists 5 children-
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KGX9-J1H
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Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 18 Feb.1911: FORT GREENE MARKET. Benjamin Jorgensen, manager of the egg department of Conron Bros. Co, is succeeding Andrew Arbuckle, who has gone to Poughkeepsie, N. Y. to accept a new post with Reynolds & Co.
Poughkeepsie Eagle-News, 19 Nov.1930: Mr. and Mrs. Arbuckle Celebrate Anniversary. Mr. and Mrs. Andrew Arbuckle of 21 Randolph Avenue celebrated their 40th weddlng anniversary Monday evening at a dinner at their home. The couple have lived in Pourhkeepsie for the past 20 years.
http://fultonhistory.com/ has other articles mentioning Andrew Arbuckle and family.
Andrew Arbuckle & Cora Chase married Kings Co., N.Y. on 17 Nov.1890.
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Just posting in case this family turns out to be related.
James Arbuckle-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Glenavy/Ballymineymore/998218
Administration of the estate of James Arbuckle late of Ballydonaghy County Antrim Farmer who died 17 February 1904 granted at Belfast to William John Arbuckle Farmer. Effects £376 15s.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/massereene-upper/glenavy/ballyminymore/
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/massereene-upper/camlin/ballydonaghy/
Probate of the Will of Mary Jane Arbuckle late of Ballydonaghy Crumlin County Antrim Widow who died 9 August 1904 granted [17 Nov.1905] at Belfast to Thomas A. Irvine Carpenter and Farmer and William John Arbuckle Farmer. Effects £272. Will dated 11 June 1904 mentions son William John Arbuckles, daughters Margaret Arbuckles & Matilda Arbuckles and brother Thos. A. Irvine.
Probate of the Will of William John Arbuckle late of Ballydonaghy Crumlin County Antrim Farmer who died 20 February 1910 granted [31 Oct.1910] at Belfast to Thomas A. Irvine Carpenter and Farmer and Margaret J. Arbuckle Spinster. Effects £291 0s. 6d.
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He came to New York in 1879.
Back in 2006 on another forum you gave the details from 1882-
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/surnames.arbuckle/465/mb.ashx
You've also at least one online tree (not sure how up-to-date) which lists date of marriage but no parents. Do you have the 1890 marriage certificate?
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Thank you for the information. To date I have not located the marriage certificate or death certificate.
I located newspaper articles one, an interview done before Andrew turned 100. The other was his death notice. Yes, I have a young son called Charles A. but I believe he may have died, as no one in the family ever mentioned him. Edward Walsh Arbuckle was named for his mother's grandfather. Because of that I have often wondered if the names Edith and Clara ( Claire), have anything to do with Andrew's family, just a guess.
I had met all of them except my grandfather Albert James. So I have often thought that possible James was the name of Andrew's father or grandfather.
Still researching and trying to locate possible Arbuckle connections through DNA matches.
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have a look on church records
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
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There is another James Arbuckle who was resident in the townland of Ballynadrentagh in the 1901 census of Ireland:-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballynadrentagh/Ballynadrentagh/916859/
This James was the owner of a large farm in Ballynadrentagh, as per Griffiths valuation:-
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=0&Submit.y=0&familyname=arbuckle&firstname=james&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=
Ballynadrentagh is just north of Crumlin.
A James Arbuckle was one of the witnesses at the marriage of my great great grandfather, James McClurg in 1855 in Lylehill Presbyterian church. The McClurg surname is intimately connected with the townland of Ballynadrentagh. A James and Ann Arbuckle were also the witnesses at another James McClurg marriage in 1852 in Lisburn registry office. (Not the same James McClurg). The bride was Margaret Arbuckle and her father's name was William Arbuckle. I have not been able to trace a marriage for James and Ann Arbuckle. My guess is they married just before registration began in 1845. There is also a baptism of an Alexander Arbuckle in 1864 in Killead Church of Ireland baptismal register. Father stated as James Arbuckle of Ballynadrentagh and mother stated as Ann.
If as you say there were a lot of children in the Arbuckle line, it should not be difficult to work out which line is yours.
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Thank you Jason.
MyHeritage has Irish records available to search for free through the 20th. I am not sure, but I think this record is the James and Ann you mentioned. Jame's father was William, and I have a feeling Margaret was Jame's sister. Ann's maiden name was Graham, and her father was Andrew. Now if I can locate a birth record, I will be happy, however my Andrew was born in 1858 before birth's were recorded. So I have to rely on church records. You have truly given me a place to focus on.
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Your best bet for locating the other baptisms of James and Ann's children may be in the baptismal register for Killead Presbyterian church.
Other churches in the area would include both the Unitarian church in Crumlin and the Presbyterian church in Crumlin. However I am not sure if records exist for the Unitarian church. Dundrod Presbyterian church and Glenavy Church of Ireland would also be possibilities. You may also be able to trace the church by the marriages of the children. While it is not a hard and fast rule, I do believe there was a bit of a tradition for marriages to take place in the bride's church.
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Alexander's baptism in the Killead Church of Ireland register was in 1869 not 1864 as stated in my original post. Date of birth appears to be 5th September 1869 with date of baptism on 10th September 1869. This ties in with the 1901 census which has an age of 31 for Alexander.
I didn't note any other Arbuckle baptisms in the Killead Church of Ireland register and given they state their denomination as Presbyterian in the census, I suspect Killead Presbyterian would be the best place to start your search.
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I received Andrew's Death certificate only find that he never told them his parent's names. So he is still a brick wall.
His First son was named after his wife's grand father, his second son was Albert James, so I don't think he followed and naming convention..
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A transcript of the 1890 marriage notes Andrew's parents as James Arbuckle & Ann Graham, whilst Cora's parents are noted as Augustes -- & Mary Walsh.
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A James Arbuckles, son of a William, married an Anne Graham, daughter of an Andrew at Killead on 16th July 1852, but not yet available to view for free at Irish Genealogy.
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 1
Returns Page No 57
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scotmum, Thank you, thank you.. I was researching this for my mother. Sadly yesterday her kidneys stopped functioning, and is in hospice. She can die any day now... the doctor did not think she would make it through last night. Hopefully, I can tell her in the morning, even through she can no longer talk back..
Where did you locate the Marriage note?.. as in all my searches I have missed it. I need to learn more of course, some sites I have not been able to pay to join. You made my day!
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Belated reply and sympathy on your loss (which you have mentioned by PM).
I have now sent you a copy of the transcript of the 1890 marriage, as found on Find My Past, and hope this is of help.
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This Search on
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
should get them up to 1922, those with Page No.s don't have Images yet
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I’m a bit late to this discussion having just found the site. I am the Grandson of Alexander Arbuckle although I was just 5 years old when he died aged 89. James and William are my GGF and GGGF respectively. If I can be of any help at this late stage please let me know?
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Thank you, I have reached out to you in a Private Message. Nice to meet you cousin.