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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Sue 1954 on Tuesday 05 February 19 19:54 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone please advise how I can find my grandfather, William Driscoll/O’Driscoll and his immediate family, details below, on the 1911 census for Cork in Ireland please? I am using the surname Driscoll but they kept dropping the ‘O’. Any approximate dates are in brackets. So I’m looking for William (age 2), his brother John (age 4) and their mum, Mary, (age 21-24).
I have my grandfather’s birth certificate, his marriages certificates, death certificate and his army records and details from the family headstone.
William Driscoll was born in 1909 in Kilblafer, Inniscarra, Cork. His parents were a William Driscoll (a Tinsmith bc1888) and Mary Driscoll (nee Driscoll bc1887-1890), who married in 1908 in Cloghre, Dripsey, Cork. Mary had another son, John, in 1907, in Cork Union before she married.
Mary Driscoll was the daughter of John and Hanorah Driscoll. According to the headstone, which I am told has date errors, Mary was born around (1887) but according to her marriage it means she’s born around (1890). Even Mary’s age on her death certificate is questionable (she died in1917 of TB). I’m told Mary was a nurse in France during the war but that information hasn’t been confirmed.
Mary’s husband, William Driscoll (bc1888) is on the 1911 census, living with his mother. It states he is married and has one child.
Apart from Mary’s parents and 3 of her 7 brothers, none of the family are on the 1911 census and on the 1901 census not one of the family can be found.
Any help is appreciated please and if you need any further information, please ask.
THANK YOU
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I think your family are here in 1911;
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001855580/
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I think your family are here in 1911;
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001855580/
Address?
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I think your family are here in 1911;
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001855580/
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__3_Urban/Old_Youghal_Road/386537
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Thank you for this but I don't think it can't be my family as William and Mary had only been married less than 3 years and they only had 2 sons, no daughters
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Thank you for this but I don't think it can't be my family as William and Mary had only been married less than 3 years and they only had 2 sons, no daughters
This family's youngest child was born in 1911 and the mother's maiden name was Dillon. Mine was O'Driscoll
THANK YOU
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For reference-
William Driscoll born 1909 Kilblafer- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01597/1641814.pdf)
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For reference-
William Driscoll born 1909 Kilblafer- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01597/1641814.pdf)
Yes this is definitely my grandfather William
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Have you tried the following search?
Gets all Marys...then sort by name, 100 per page!
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That's a coincidence then because that particular William senior on the 1911 census was a Tinsmith in Cork as well --and had sons John and William, and a wife named Mary -- might he have married twice I wonder and the previous children been from the first marriage?
Also the William born July 1909 would only be 1 year old on 1911 census as it is supposed to be age last birthday.
Or am I missing something -- probably!
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Have you tried the following search?
Gets all Marys...then sort by name, 100 per page!
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Yes I've done that but nothings ties in . This family is bugging me. Thanks anyway
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That's a coincidence then because that particular William senior on the 1911 census was a Tinsmith in Cork as well --and had sons John and William, and a wife named Mary -- might he have married twice I wonder and the previous children been from the first marriage?
Also the William born July 1909 would only be 1 year old on 1911 census as it is supposed to be age last birthday.
Or am I missing something -- probably!
Yes it must be coincidence because I've seen the marriage in 1904 of William (not mine). He could have been married before I suppose but he still didn't have a son James in 1911. The only James Driscoll born in 1911 was the one with the mother's name of Dillon. Thank you
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I am just trying to follow this and work it out :)
I can’t see the marriage for William and Mary - is his father John?
If so, is this the family in 1901 -living in Greenane, Cork
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Greenane/Greenane_Lower/1148267/
I based this on your information re William snr in 1911 living with his mother
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilcullen/Killeenleigh/424444/
Is that him?
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I am just trying to follow this and work it out :)
I can’t see the marriage for William and Mary - is his father John?
If so, is this the family in 1901 -living in Greenane, Cork
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Greenane/Greenane_Lower/1148267/
I based this on your information re William snr in 1911 living with his mother
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilcullen/Killeenleigh/424444/
Is that him?
Yes this is my William senior. On the 1911 he states he's married with one child (not living with him). Don't know where his wife is (my great grandmother) or my grandfather William and brother John. Why was he not living with them? He probably says he's only got one child as his wife had a son by someone else before they married in 1908
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What we are finding doesn't entirely match with the information you have so far.
We have this family in 1911 census where husband William is tinsmith, wife is Mary, and there are sons John & William-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__3_Urban/Old_Youghal_Road/386537
Son James born 1911- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01534/1621728.pdf) (mother Dillon)
A John Driscoll born 1907 to unmarried Mary Driscoll- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01671/1665365.pdf)
Marriage of William Driscoll & Mary Dillon 1904-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10194/5709608.pdf
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Sue,
Can you post a link to the marriage please?
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I can't see a death for Mary Driscoll in 1917 from TB but there is a spinster called Mary Driscoll died of TB in 1911-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05400/4508007.pdf
Also a married one in 1911 from TB-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05355/4492251.pdf
Another married one in 1916-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05248/4454554.pdf
still doing searches...
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It is a bit difficult, for sure.
For example these are William Driscolls who are Tinsmiths in 1911, including the married one living with his mother.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nct/
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Regarding the coincidental couple in the 1911 census previously posted
Here is the marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10194/5709608.pdf
But I cannot see births to that couple that match Bridget, John or William.
Only James.
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Just posting in case it's the right William Driscoll-
Cork Examiner, 22 July 1904: SERIOUS ROW BETWEEN TINKERS. ... Sheridan v. William Driscoll, for wilfully and maliciously broken eight tin gallons, value _s, complainant property ...
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Driscoll/Dillon marriage and birth of son James posted in reply #14
Unless OP can turn up marriage for William Driscoll to Mary Driscoll then I suspect that they weren't actually married.
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What we are finding doesn't entirely match with the information you have so far.
We have this family in 1911 census where husband William is tinsmith, wife is Mary, and there are sons John & William-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__3_Urban/Old_Youghal_Road/386537
Son James born 1911- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01534/1621728.pdf) (mother Dillon)
The John Driscoll birth 1907 is John my grandfathers brother born before our William and Mary got married in 1908
A John Driscoll born 1907 to unmarried Mary Driscoll- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01671/1665365.pdf)
Marriage of William Driscoll & Mary Dillon 1904-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10194/5709608.pdf
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Driscoll/Dillon marriage and birth of son James posted in reply #14
Unless OP can turn up marriage for William Driscoll to Mary Driscoll then I suspect that they weren't actually married.
Sorry >:(
I was more concerned that I couldn’t find the three births to that couple
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Found this bit in the middle of my post you quoted-
The John Driscoll birth 1907 is John my grandfathers brother born before our William and Mary got married in 1908
We still need to see the 1908 marriage you mentioned at the start as well as a death for Mary in 1917.
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OK everyone. I'm confused but bear with me and I'll try and show you what certs I've got if I can share them
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You aren't allowed to post the whole certificate but if you post the links we can view them ourselves.
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This is the marriage of my William's parents, William Driscoll and Mary Driscoll 1908
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Thanks Sue :)
Found it now ::)
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What is now even more confusing is that I have the certificates on my laptop and I've shown one of them but it won't let me download any other photos of them. Is that against the rules? Can I screenshot part of the certificates? I got all the certificates but now can't find them online. Impossible! Sorry everyone. I'm not too much help
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Maybe you could type up the full details of the 1917 death?
Then we might be able to find it.
(The marriage now perfectly obvious yet would not come up in searches earlier!!)
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This is very, very confusing -- apologies if this has already been mentioned, but have we seen the possible birth of the Bridget on the 'coincidence' 1911 census;
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01778/1698936.pdf
The father was a Patrick Driscoll, Tinsmith --- and the mother a Kate Dillon -- maybe that particular William and Mary on the 1911 census had taken this child in if something had happened to her parents.
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What is now even more confusing is that I have the certificates on my laptop and I've shown one of them but it won't let me download any other photos of them. Is that against the rules? Can I screenshot part of the certificates? I got all the certificates but now can't find them online. Impossible! Sorry everyone. I'm not too much help
You can screenshot snippets!
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This is very, very confusing -- apologies if this has already been mentioned, but have we seen the possible birth of the Bridget on the 'coincidence' 1911 census;
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01778/1698936.pdf
The father was a Patrick Driscoll, Tinsmith --- and the mother a Kate Dillon -- maybe that particular William and Mary on the 1911 census had taken this child in if something had happened to her parents.
That’s not the same Bridget. Here she is with her parents Patrick and Kate.
The residence is Clonakilty.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Clonakilty_Urban/Lamb_Street/379280/
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My Mary's death
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This is very, very confusing -- apologies if this has already been mentioned, but have we seen the possible birth of the Bridget on the 'coincidence' 1911 census;
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01778/1698936.pdf
The father was a Patrick Driscoll, Tinsmith --- and the mother a Kate Dillon -- maybe that particular William and Mary on the 1911 census had taken this child in if something had happened to her parents.
I'm very confused but wonder if Mary was in the workhouse?
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Maybe you could type up the full details of the 1917 death?
Then we might be able to find it.
(The marriage now perfectly obvious yet would not come up in searches earlier!!)
13th August 1917 Cork district hospital, Mary Driscoll of 71 Wolfe Tone Street, female, married, aged 21 years, TB 7 days in hospital. Her brother looked after her just before her death and he lived at 71 Wolfe Tone Street. Yes family say she died of TB. Her age is incorrect
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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP. I will come back to this tomorrow in the hope I can clear my mind as it's such a difficult topic. Thanks xx
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For reference-
William Driscoll born 1909 Kilblafer- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01597/1641814.pdf)
Thank you I have his birth certificate as, William born 26 July 1909 at Kilblafer, father William Driscoll and mother Mary Driscoll, nee Driscoll.
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ok this is what I have. If anyone wants to see the full details please let me know. The attached is the wording from the grave but the details (apart from my grandfathers) are incorrect so ages are approximate. There is a reason for the letters in brackets.
John OD (E) marriage cert, death cert, census 1911 married Hanorah Leary (F) marriage cert, death cert, 1911 census. Neither on 1901 census
Children of above
William (N) birth cert, marr cert, death cert, 1911 census, not on 1901 census
Daniel (O) marr cert, death cert not on any census
Michael (P) death cert, inquest murdered not on any census
John (Q) nothing known on this son only rough age from grave
Patrick (R) birth cert, marr cert, death cert, army details, 1911 census, not on 1901 census
James (S) nothing known on this son only rough age from grave
Jeremiah (T) birth cert, marr cert, death details, 1911 census, not on 1901 census
Mary (U) rough age from grave, marr cert, death cert, not on any census
So this covers John and Hanorah O'Driscoll and their 7 sons and 1 daughter. Finding any of them on census would be great or better still finding the births of those listing above as unknown.
Any help appreciated and my apologies for not getting back sooner but I've had a horrible virus.
Thank you everyone
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Hi Sue
I only registered on this site and am doing my family tree. Mary Driscoll was my greatgrandmother. My mam's dad was John O'Driscoll. My mam says it was his Uncle Jerry (Jeremiah) who put in the O.
I would love to share my findings with you. My mam has loads of information about her dads relatives if you need to know anything i can ask her.
Teresa Rose
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Hi Sue
I only registered on this site and am doing my family tree. Mary Driscoll was my greatgrandmother. My mam's dad was John O'Driscoll. My mam says it was his Uncle Jerry (Jeremiah) who put in the O.
I would love to share my findings with you. My mam has loads of information about her dads relatives if you need to know anything i can ask her.
Teresa Rose
Hi Teresa
Are you able to send me your email address via the message link as I’d love to contact you and give you what information I have? Thanks
Sue
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Hi Sue
I only registered on this site and am doing my family tree. Mary Driscoll was my greatgrandmother. My mam's dad was John O'Driscoll. My mam says it was his Uncle Jerry (Jeremiah) who put in the O.
I would love to share my findings with you. My mam has loads of information about her dads relatives if you need to know anything i can ask her.
Teresa Rose
Hi Teresa
Are you able to send me your email address via the message link as I’d love to contact you and give you what information I have? Thanks
Sue
Teresa I’ve sent you a personal message 😊