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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: moffitts on Tuesday 05 February 19 20:27 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for more information regarding these individuals and their parents. I have found them in the Ireland 1901 and 1911 census (below). Patrick's wikitree profile is also below.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1911&surname=cole&firstname=patrick&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cole-18370
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Which of the 42 Coles on your Census link are you talking about?
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Sorry I thought the link would take you directly to the page I had open. It is:
Cole Patrick, age 49, Water St, Rosstrevor, Down. For the 1911 Census.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Rosstrevor/Water_Street/246622/
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Yes, that is the correct entry.
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0450 Kilbroney
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He's 20 yrs Married with 11 children.
Wife Mary is 12 yrs married with 7 children.
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Was there something in the NLI link you sent?
Also yes, I saw that. However if you look below the listed individuals you can open the actual document and it looks like value next to his was marked out.
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They were RC and the link is to RC Church Register!
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Was there something in the NLI link you sent?
Also yes, I saw that. However if you look below the listed individuals you can open the actual document and it looks like value next to his was marked out.
Do you mean the first line in the 1911 census? if so, the answer is simple as the questions about how many years married, how many children and how many children living were to be filled out by married women, not their husbands.
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Do you know if their are RC records after 1881? They had their first child in 1893 I believe, so I would assume their marriage date is closer to that.
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Party 1 Name PATRICK COLE (widower)
Party 2 Name MARY FEGAN
Date of Event 22 November 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10433/5798946.pdf
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10433/5798946.pdf
Party 1 Name PATRICK COLE
Party 2 Name MARGARET BRENNAN
Date of Event 20 January 1891
also son of Henry!
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So I wonder if he was married to Mary Brennan and then married Married Mary Fegan. Now I wonder which children belong with who!
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sorry..
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10657/5883005.pdf
Party 1 Name PATRICK COLE
Party 2 Name MARGARET BRENNAN
Date of Event 20 January 1891
also son of Henry!
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So I wonder if he was married to Mary Brennan and then married Married Mary Fegan. Now I wonder which children belong with who!
By their age on census?
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So I wonder if he was married to Mary Brennan and then married Married Mary Fegan. Now I wonder which children belong with who!
By their age on census?
The first 3 children on the 1911 census belong to Margaret. The following 7 beginning Alice belong to Mary.
KG
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ncu/ gets you the birth registrations...
e.g.
Birth of JOHN COLE on 17 March 1916
Group Registration ID 46542
SR District/Reg Area Kilkeel
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname FEGAN
and
Birth of KATHLEEN COLE on 08 July 1913
Group Registration ID 1245143
SR District/Reg Area Kilkeel
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname FEGAN
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So I wonder if he was married to Mary Brennan and then married Married Mary Fegan. Now I wonder which children belong with who!
By their age on census?
The first 3 children on the 1911 census belong to Margaret. The following 7 beginning Alice belong to Mary.
KG
He's 20 yrs Married with 11 children....so probably 4 from 1st Marriage.
You can check via Link already posted.
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TheLinks is for C Reg Birth results for Cole of Kilkeel from 1893 to 1916
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Mary Josephine Margaret Cole born 1896.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02154/1816933.pdf
KG
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So Mary Fegan is listed as the mother since they were married before the 1901 census would have come out. Margaret Brennan must have died prior?
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As per previous post.....
Party 1 Name PATRICK COLE (widower)
Party 2 Name MARY FEGAN
Date of Event 22 November 1898
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So Mary Fegan is listed as the mother since they were married before the 1901 census would have come out. Margaret Brennan must have died prior?
Irish records are easy enough to search, try this search
m
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Sorry....just change Year Range!!
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Image of Cert is online....
Name MARGARET COLE
Date of Death 1898
Group Registration ID 3560348
SR District/Reg Area Kilkeel
Deceased Age at Death 26
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Now that you know his father's name you can search for Birth...
Same for wives.....adjust search accordingly.
m
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If you remove Patrick's name and leave box blank you might find Siblings
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Marriage of HENRY COLE in 1868 looks a good possible but Image not online yet.....
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Marriage of HENRY COLE in 1868 looks a good possible but Image not online yet.....
Probably too late...but you can browse register.
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Yes, all of this information opened a whole new door. Thank you!
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https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633279#page/43/mode/1up
last one on left page!
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I could post Link after Link but it is far more rewarding for person looking to be able to find records for themselves and it is really quite easy after a while and one can then look for siblings of grooms/brides etc if they wish to expand their lines...
...and there is always here when one gets stuck!
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That is where I am at on the Patrick Fegan post you posted on. I have been trying to find something on him.
His wife's name is Mary, and his granddaughter believes that her maiden name was McClurry?
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OK.
I did post 2 Marriage Certs. where groom is son of Henry, a Carpenter.... which tallies with Census details.
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Did you notice on his 2nd Marriage the entry above is the Marriage of his older sister?
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Sister is in Church Reg also
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633279#page/39/mode/1up last one on right page...
there may be other siblings!!
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One could post Link after Link but it is far more rewarding for person looking to be able to find records for themselves and it is really quite easy after a while and one can then look for siblings of grooms/brides etc if they wish to expand their lines.
One will never learn how to research Irish records if link after link after link is posted for them.....
His granddaughter believes that Mary's maiden name was McClurry.... has she looked at the details on the 2 Marriage Certs and compared them to each other??
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Name ELIZABETH COLE
Date of Death 1898
Group Registration ID 3556731
SR District/Reg Area Kilkeel
Deceased Age at Death 0
Record #453
Just above is the death of her mother Margaret. The informant in both cases is Bridget McCormick of Rostrevor.
KG
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As you can see, child was premature!
It can be found by doing the search in Reply#33
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Grrr.... ;D
It can be found by doing the search in Reply#23
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C Reg
Birth results for Cole of Kilkeel from 1864 to 1922 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ncw/
Marriage results for Cole of Kilkeel from 1864 to 1922 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ncx/
Death results for Cole of Kilkeel from 1864 to 1922 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ncy/
Plus, you have the Link to Church Registers to go further back!
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
After Northern Ireland came into being, records will not be on irishgenealogy site for BDM's in NI!