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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: annettej on Wednesday 06 February 19 15:33 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help advise please?
Looking to find out the connection between a Laurence Gray who died in Birmingham in 1938 informant was an S Howard of 13 Ushers Quay, Dublin. Never used Irish records before so any advise or information would be very gratefully received. If I can find details on this address/family might break down a very big brickwall. :o
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Hi annettej,
I have just looked up the residents of 14.5 Ushers Quay in 1911 Irish census and there are four Howards (none starting with S I'm afraid) living there and a boarder named Watson. I don't know if they are the same Howards but I suspect they are connected.
pet50ite
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Wow thank you, can you advise their first names might help with my brickwall please?
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8 Howards on Usher's Quay
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=&census_year=1911&surname=Howard&firstname=&county19011911=Dublin&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=Usher%27s&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
shrink link not working!
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Thank you very much.
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1901 census....none there
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nd4/
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Its a start. Thanks
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Elizabeth, 51, head of family, seamstress, needlewoman, born Kings County, widow.
James, 17, son, railway porter, born Dublin city
Henry, 14 messenger born Dublin city
Robert Walton, 29, general labourer, born Longford
Violet, granddaughter
All Church of Ireland.
Two very good sites for Dublin are Irish genealogy, ie, which has baptisms and later civil records and 1901/1911 census of Ireland from National Library of Ireland
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Thank you for that information. Irish records I have no experience of their records so any hints tips will help just a shame I cannot view electoral records 1938.
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Name MARGARET WHEELER
Date of Death 1917
Group Registration ID 5562648
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
Deceased Age at Death 42
Address 13 Usher's Quay
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05224/4445888.pdf
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Elizabeth, 51, head of family, seamstress, needlewoman, born Kings County, widow.
James, 17, son, railway porter, born Dublin city
Henry, 14 messenger born Dublin city
Robert Walton, 29, general labourer, born Longford
Violet, granddaughter
All Church of Ireland.
Two very good sites for Dublin are Irish genealogy, ie, which has baptisms and later civil records and 1901/1911 census of Ireland from National Library of Ireland
There is the mixed Marriage ones too...
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Usher_s_Quay/67892/
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Elizabeth, 51, head of family, seamstress, needlewoman, born Kings County, widow.
James, 17, son, railway porter, born Dublin city
Henry, 14 messenger born Dublin city
Robert Walton, 29, general labourer, born Longford
Violet, granddaughter
All Church of Ireland.
Two very good sites for Dublin are Irish genealogy, ie, which has baptisms and later civil records and 1901/1911 census of Ireland from National Library of Ireland
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000179977/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
KG
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Henry Howard and Elizabeth Little were having children from 1884
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Upper_Bridge_Street/1340616/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Usher_s_Quay/63483/
however they did'nt marry till 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10346/5766369.pdf
the granddaughter Violet on the 1911 census was enumerated twice once with her grand parents and her own parents John Howard and Sarah Smith
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09949/5617045.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/North_Dock_Street__North/26994/
do you have any info on Laurence Gray was he Irish ?
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https://www.google.com/maps 13 Ushers Quay http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ndc/
all developed now.
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I do not know if Laurence Gray/Grey was from Ireland, however I do know his wife Chrissie's maiden name was Mulvany and I understand a son John Grey b1907 returned to Ireland, he was working in Birmingham in 1939. S Howard was Laurence Gray's daughter according to death certificate but I do not have any other proof of this.
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Found out the daughter was an S Howard (ne Gray)married to a Henry Howard in the 1930's They lived at 13 Ushers Quay in Dublin 1939/1940.
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1922 Sarah Cray and Henry Howard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09195/5325932.pdf
You can see an example of how this Registar wrote G on the first marriage Goulding so the fault must have been with the priest handwriting he was copying from.
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I think judging by the births of their children that the name is actually Cray
Henry born 1939
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F143-CNP
died 1940
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04732/4265669.pdf
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very coincidental ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Buckingham_Buildings__b_block__/28495/
Laurence Cray and Annie Farrell 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10443/5803122.pdf
born 1873 in James St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03174/2164286.pdf
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Hmm Annie Cray widow 13 Ushers Quay died 1959 age 82
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1959/04360/4130561.pdf
no sign of a La*rence Cray dieing in Dublin 1911 to 1959
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1914 Laurence Cray jnr born 13 Ushers Quay
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01396/1574148.pdf
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1929 Laurence Cray was charged with neglect of two of his children while living in luxury in Birmingham.
I'll read it in full later, have to go.
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1901 as Craye
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Echlin_Street/1301688/
mother and siblings
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Thomas_Street/1303348/
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Grabbed a bit of time
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Found an earlier case
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Francis born 1916 married Christina Dunne 1940
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1940/08839/5196249.pdf
Laurence Jnr married Mary Monica Kennedy 1937
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1937/08910/5222481.pdf
Laurence snrs parents Samuel and Ellen Harmon married Church of Ireland 1869
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-278-3-2-004
Samuel died 1896 appears to be buried in Glasnevin as Samuel Gray
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05908/4676821.pdf
wife had moved to Ushers Quay by 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Usher_s_Quay/63634/
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Thank you very much for all your help. :D
Now I understand why when the daughter married in Birmingham, there were few family members at the wedding. My Mum was a bridesmaid.
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Mary Ellen as Craig
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10174/5701579.pdf
living next door to mother in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Usher_s_Quay/63555/
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John Cray 1930
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09035/5269079.pdf
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Hmm Annie Cray widow 13 Ushers Quay died 1959 age 82
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1959/04360/4130561.pdf
no sign of a La*rence Cray dieing in Dublin 1911 to 1959
He won't be there.
Laurence Gray died in Birmingham in 1938 informant was an S Howard of 13 Ushers Quay, Dublin.
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Hmm Annie Cray widow 13 Ushers Quay died 1959 age 82
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1959/04360/4130561.pdf
no sign of a La*rence Cray dieing in Dublin 1911 to 1959
He won't be there.
Laurence Gray died in Birmingham in 1938 informant was an S Howard of 13 Ushers Quay, Dublin.
dathai was just checking they weren't a different family
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What a tangled web of deception.