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Title: Swans from Kent
Post by: Farmerlyn on Saturday 09 February 19 05:01 GMT (UK)
Looking for anything on Charles Swan(n) from Kent DOB 1821. He moved to New Zealand then Australia.
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: chempat on Saturday 09 February 19 07:48 GMT (UK)
There are various Charles Swans born around 1821 in Kent.

When did he arrive in New Zealand?

Do you know the names of his children?

Presumably have you no information on his Father?
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: chempat on Saturday 09 February 19 07:51 GMT (UK)
This is from a tree on Ancestry : not yet checked any of it, other than the baptism shows in local records:

Charles Swan
Father  Richard Swan  Mother Susanna Watts
Birth    1821 Hartlip Kent England
Death  04/1895 Bairnsdale Victoria Australia
Residence   New South Wales Australia

You have not said when your Charles died, and where,  is it the same man?
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: Farmerlyn on Saturday 09 February 19 08:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks Chempat, the Charles you have is the same man. Details of death is accurate however as far as Im aware he did not reside in NSW. I have not found this on the ancestry site I am in. I will check other ones. He is a mystery as he supposedly married a Caroline Britnell in New Zealand yet there is no record of this. She married a John Garrett, with no divorce record.
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: chempat on Saturday 09 February 19 08:19 GMT (UK)
Tree looks a mixture : Richard and second wife and 8 children arrive in 1835 in Australia, Charles arrives in 1835 in Australia via convict ship.
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: Farmerlyn on Saturday 09 February 19 08:23 GMT (UK)
This is exciting, it sounds possible. I know Charles was born in England and have heard he was a convict. I did find he was sent to Aus due to his conviction. I have no info on his original family. I do have his children who were all born in NZ..
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: Farmerlyn on Saturday 09 February 19 08:38 GMT (UK)
Sorry just saw your earlier post. I have no knowledge of Charles family he was born into. He had children with Caroline Britnell in NZ
Sarah Emma Swan
1855–1952

 
Lois Swan
1858–1941

 
Edward James Swan
1860–1925

Alice Swan
1861–1945

 
Edith Swan
1863–1906

 
James Swan
1866–1928

 
Emily Swan
1866–1946

Martha Swan
1868–1954

William Swan
1871–1902

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Charles Swan
1874–1959
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 09 February 19 09:01 GMT (UK)
There's a baptism for a Charles Swan in Hartlip on 9th September 1821, son of Richard & Susanna.

It would be worth looking at assizes records and newspapers for any details of offence and place he was living.
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: Farmerlyn on Saturday 09 February 19 09:03 GMT (UK)
thanks will get on to it
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: bearkat on Saturday 09 February 19 09:05 GMT (UK)
https://australianroyalty.net.au/individual.php?pid=I32183&ged=purnellmccord.ged

Does the information on this tree tie in with what you know?
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: Farmerlyn on Saturday 09 February 19 09:10 GMT (UK)
Until I found this site I had no info on Charles family. What I have since been sent by all of you seems to tie in perfectly. What you just posted has the details which fit the other info I have been sent
Thank you so much
Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: whiteout7 on Saturday 09 February 19 11:04 GMT (UK)
Sorry just saw your earlier post. I have no knowledge of Charles family he was born into. He had children with Caroline Britnell in NZ

Sarah Emma Swan
1855–1952

 
Lois Swan
1858–1941

 
Edward James Swan .
1860–1925

Alice Swan .
1861–1945

 
Edith Swan .
1863–1906

 
James Swan .
1866–1928

 
Emily Swan .
1866–1946

Martha Swan .
1868–1954

William Swan .
1871–1902

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Charles Swan .
1874–1959

This list does not check out against NZBDM

Here are NZBDM results
1874/18556   Swann   Charles   Caroline   Charles
1871/23740   Swann   William   Caroline   Charles
1868/20693   Swan   NotRecorded (Martha?)   Caroline   Charles   
1866/17106   Swan   Emily   Caroline   Charles   
1866/17109   Swan   James   Caroline   Charles
1863/5701   Swann   Edith    Caroline   Charles
1861/9639   Swann   Alice   Caroline   Charles   
1860/3596   Swan   Edward   Caroline   Charles



Caroline married John Garret in 1852?

Sarah Emma Swan b1855 <------Was her birth registered anywhere in NZ or AU? Or have you sighted her original baptism?
 
Lois Swan b 1858  <------Was her birth registered anywhere in NZ or AU? Or have you sighted her original baptism?

Without these documents both these girls may have been John Garrets daughters and he may have died between 1858 and 1860?



Title: Re: Swans from Kent
Post by: chempat on Saturday 09 February 19 11:55 GMT (UK)
Tree on Ancestry claims:

Sarah Emma Swan(1855–1952)
23 Oct 1855 • Riwaka, Tasman, Tasman, New Zealand

Lois Swan(1858–1941)
5 Mar 1858 • Kaiteri, Tasman, New Zealand