RootsChat.Com

England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: Puffin81 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:08 GMT (UK)

Title: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:08 GMT (UK)
So meet Mary duff, initially found in the 1841 census, in 1851 she was at the same address but now Mary mcclusky (Mary Ann on this census but later identifies as Mary Jane).  In subsequent census she is still Mary mcclusky but no husband she remains in her childhood family home along with other siblings who never marry.

I canít find a marriage record either. 

She is of interest to me as her brother was a witness to a ancestors (Bartholomew keenan). Wedding, and his sister is also married to a mcclusky

Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:14 GMT (UK)
Whatís her birthplace, and where is she living in this census extract?
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Indiana.59 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:16 GMT (UK)
So meet Mary duff, initially found in the 1841 census, in 1851 she was at the same address but now Mary mcclusky (Mary Ann on this census but later identifies as Mary Jane).  In subsequent census she is still Mary mcclusky but no husband she remains in her childhood family home along with other siblings who never marry.

I canít find a marriage record either. 

She is of interest to me as her brother was a witness to a ancestors (Bartholomew keenan). Wedding, and his sister is also married to a mcclusky


She is living with family as married but no husband on the census - could be any reason for that . . .

I would widen the scope in looking for a marriage in case she married elsewhere eg: worldwide - USA - AUS - Scotland or Ireland - etc: . . .

Let us pinpoint them a little better . . .

England and Wales Census, 1881

Name:         Kate Mc Clusky (Catherine)
Event Place:      Carlisle St Cuthbert Without, Cumberland, England
Residence:      Sowerby St
Age:         26
Marital Status:      Single
Occupation:      Cotton Reeler
Relationship :      Niece
Birth (Est):      1855
Birthplace:      Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Page Number:      36
Registration No:   RG11
Piece/Folio:      5154/90
Affiliate Record Type:   Household
Household
Bridget Duff - Head - 56 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England - B: 1825
Mary J Mc Clusky - Visitor - 54 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England Ė B: 1827
Susanna Mc Clusky - Niece - 28 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England Ė B: 1853
Kate Mc Clusky - Niece - 26 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England Ė B: 1855
James Mc Clusky - Grand Son - 1 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England Ė B: 1880
Daniel Duff - Brother - 42 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England - B: 1839 Ė B: 1839

Mary Ann was born est: 1827 + 16 = 1843 - 1st daughter Susanna b: est: 1853

Looking for marriage between 1843 and 1854 - but would say around 1851/52 . . .

Clearly, there are 2 daughters between 1853 and 1855 - could they married in Ireland and Mary returned home leaving husband in Ireland . . .

No marriages found in Scotland between 1843 and 1855 . . .

Ditto off another research site as follows:

Mary Jane Duff - (1827-1904) - Fact Details - 1881
Botchergate, Cumberland, England
Relation to Head of House: Visitor; Marital Status: Windower - who died here - the husband or the window  ;D

Next step I would say is to get the birth cert of one of her daughters - 1st daughter and see what information that brings up in regard to the father . . .

It all sounds Irish to me . . . ; )

Indiana
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:20 GMT (UK)
Have you traced the births and paternal details of her apparent daughters Susannah and Catherine McClusky who are with her in 1861 & 1871? 
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:24 GMT (UK)
Catherine McCluskey, mmn Duff, birth reg Dec qtr 1854 Carlisle 10b 338.
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:25 GMT (UK)
Perhaps a marriage (if there was one) took place in Scotland?
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Saturday 09 February 19 12:36 GMT (UK)
Itís the Carlisle Cumberland census, she remains Mary mcclusky throughout all censuses from 1851 at the same address, she states she is married until a later census in 1881.

Maryís birthday place is Carlisle

I need to get a look in the parish records to identify daughters parents as Iíve spent my budget for copy certificates for the next few months 🤦‍♀️
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Saturday 09 February 19 16:55 GMT (UK)
I had one"Wife" without a husband on a couple of census entries. I must admit I rather assumed that she'd "assumed" wifedom to make her situation - with two, later three children - sound more respectable. Quite a long time later I found her on another census ... husband was a "Mariner", so perhaps he'd simply been at sea for the other censuses.
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Saturday 09 February 19 17:43 GMT (UK)
I had one"Wife" without a husband on a couple of census entries. I must admit I rather assumed that she'd "assumed" wifedom to make her situation - with two, later three children - sound more respectable. Quite a long time later I found her on another census ... husband was a "Mariner", so perhaps he'd simply been at sea for the other censuses.

Iíve some who have clearly escaped, but this one gets married and lives with her parents alone, then has children all while living there, he has to be some place & coming and going like you say
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Gan Yam on Saturday 09 February 19 19:56 GMT (UK)
There is a James McClusky(born Ireland) on 1851 census. He's living with his mother in the same area (Botchergate) as Mary Ann and he is recorded as being Married, but there is no wife. His age is transcribed as 30 but it looks more like 20 when you look at the census. Possible contender?
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Saturday 09 February 19 20:36 GMT (UK)
There is a James McClusky(born Ireland) on 1851 census. He's living with his mother in the same area (Botchergate) as Mary Ann and he is recorded as being Married, but there is no wife. His age is transcribed as 30 but it looks more like 20 when you look at the census. Possible contender?

Off to look, hoping this is one of those moments where Iíve been blind due to looking
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Saturday 09 February 19 20:43 GMT (UK)
Blimey you might have just solved it
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Gan Yam on Saturday 09 February 19 21:33 GMT (UK)
There's another mention in Carlisle Journal on 28/06/64. James McCluskey brought back from Middlesboro by warrant for failing to maintain his wife and children. Don't have a sub to British Newspaper so can't see full article.
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Saturday 09 February 19 21:44 GMT (UK)
There's another mention in Carlisle Journal on 28/06/64. James McCluskey brought back from Middlesboro by warrant for failing to maintain his wife and children. Don't have a sub to British Newspaper so can't see full article.

Just got it, my subscription ends on the 19th so right in time
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 10 February 19 15:16 GMT (UK)
That really does look as if that's him! Well done!
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Monday 11 February 19 22:05 GMT (UK)
Then a mysterious grandson turns up in 1881, this family is really mixed up.

One of the daughters was a teacher, then a dress maker, so Iím suspecting thatís who had the illegitimate child, but who knows, expect the least expected 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 12 February 19 09:52 GMT (UK)
Blimey you might have just solved it

Although not born Ireland could this be the same James McCluskey bn c1831 Carlisle his
occupation is a plaster - heís married to Marjory nee  SCOTT
they have 2 children Jno age 4 & Mary age 1 and are living in Middlesbrough in
1861 - RG 9; Piece: 3688; Folio: 67; Page: 33;

MCCLUSKEY, John Scott  mmn   SCOTT
1857  M Quarter in STOCKTON  Volume 10A  Page 22

perhaps thatís the reason there is no marriage to  a Mary DUFF  :-\

RG10; Piece: 4514; Folio: 56; Page: 10 living Leeds in
1871 they have 3 more children Henry, Frederick & William E,
father James occupation plasterer

RG11; Piece: 4490; Folio: 113; Page: 39 Still in Leeds in
1881 another dau Elizabeth,
 father James occ Master Plasterer
with them is m-i-l  Elizabeth Scott

His death
James McCluskey
Estimated birth year:   abt 1832
Registration Year:   1884 Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:   52
Registration district:   Hunslet Yorkshire West Riding Volume:   9b Page:   177

James Mccluskey
Marriage   2 Oct 1856 Middlesbrough,York,England
Father:   Daniel Mccluskey
Spouse:   Margrey Scott father John Scott














Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Indiana.59 on Tuesday 12 February 19 13:48 GMT (UK)
Blimey you might have just solved it

Although not born Ireland could this be the same James McCluskey bn c1831 Carlisle his
occupation is a plaster - heís married to Marjory nee  SCOTT
they have 2 children Jno age 4 & Mary age 1 and are living in Middlesbrough in
1861 - RG 9; Piece: 3688; Folio: 67; Page: 33;

The plot thickens . . .  :o

MCCLUSKEY, John Scott  mmn   SCOTT
1857  M Quarter in STOCKTON  Volume 10A  Page 22

perhaps thatís the reason there is no marriage to  a Mary DUFF  :-\

RG10; Piece: 4514; Folio: 56; Page: 10 living Leeds in
1871 they have 3 more children Henry, Frederick & William E,
father James occupation plasterer

RG11; Piece: 4490; Folio: 113; Page: 39 Still in Leeds in
1881 another dau Elizabeth,
 father James occ Master Plasterer
with them is m-i-l  Elizabeth Scott

His death
James McCluskey
Estimated birth year:   abt 1832
Registration Year:   1884 Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:   52
Registration district:   Hunslet Yorkshire West Riding Volume:   9b Page:   177

James Mccluskey
Marriage   2 Oct 1856 Middlesbrough,York,England
Father:   Daniel Mccluskey
Spouse:   Margrey Scott father John Scott
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 12 February 19 14:09 GMT (UK)
Blimey you might have just solved it

Although not born Ireland could this be the same James McCluskey bn c1831 Carlisle his
occupation is a plaster - heís married to Marjory nee  SCOTT
they have 2 children Jno age 4 & Mary age 1 and are living in Middlesbrough in
1861 - RG 9; Piece: 3688; Folio: 67; Page: 33;


MCCLUSKEY, John Scott  mmn   SCOTT
1857  M Quarter in STOCKTON  Volume 10A  Page 22

perhaps thatís the reason there is no marriage to  a Mary DUFF  :-\

RG10; Piece: 4514; Folio: 56; Page: 10 living Leeds in
1871 they have 3 more children Henry, Frederick & William E,
father James occupation plasterer

RG11; Piece: 4490; Folio: 113; Page: 39 Still in Leeds in
1881 another dau Elizabeth,
 father James occ Master Plasterer
with them is m-i-l  Elizabeth Scott

His death
James McCluskey
Estimated birth year:   abt 1832
Registration Year:   1884 Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:   52
Registration district:   Hunslet Yorkshire West Riding Volume:   9b Page:   177

James Mccluskey
Marriage   2 Oct 1856 Middlesbrough,York,England
Father:   Daniel Mccluskey
Spouse:   Margrey Scott father John Scott
The plot thickens . . .  :o

Still not worked out yet if itís the same James McCluskey as per 1851 census ..........
James McCluskey age 20, occ plasterer son of Mary age 46 both born Ireland who are in Carlisle in 1851 HO107; Piece: 2429; Folio: 238; Page: 33

Trying to see if I could find a possible marriage for a Daniel McCluskey to a Mary ? and/or a baptism c1831 for James with both those parents names in either Ireland or Carlisle

There is this death his age is 56 on GRO indexes
Mar 1852
MCCLUSKEY   Daniel       Carlisle   10b   267

But Mary is already noted as widowed on 1851 census  ???
Title: Re: Wife but no husband.....
Post by: Puffin81 on Tuesday 12 February 19 20:50 GMT (UK)
Itís certainly very mixed up, it doesnít help that their names keep changing slightly and as for their ages.

The grandson amuses me, like hello where did you come from 😂🤦‍♀️