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Title: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: Jeffrey on Saturday 09 February 19 16:15 GMT (UK)
Dear All,
Is anyone going to the Archives of Ontario in Totonto who can help me? I live in England so unable to visit myself and it is too expensive for me to obtain a copy from the Archives themselves.
I am wanting a photo of a marriage.

This is the Source
Sources 1.   [S29] Church Records - ON, Waterloo, Galt - St. Andrews Presbyerian.
Robert Armstrong, of Beverley s/o John & Isabella married 30 Jun 1862 to Euphemia Watson of Beverly d/o John & Euphemia

I think it will probably say the Surname of his mother and until I get that I am unable to trace him further as all other documents seem to have conflicting names for his mother.

I would be very grateful if anyone could do this or even take a transcript for me.

Thank you
Judy

PS have I posted this in the wrong place - should it have been under 'Look Ups'
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: jc26red on Saturday 09 February 19 17:53 GMT (UK)
There is a tree on Ancestry which has the family
Robert Armstrong 1832-1903 born Scotland died Michigan.
Euphemia Armstrong 1833-1909 (maiden name is shown as Watson on her daughter’s death cert)
Their daughter was born 1863 in Michigan


On Robert Armstrong’s death record in 1903, his mother is recorded as Elizabeth Little although the transcription says Lille. Both John and ElizabethArmstrong were born Scotland
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: jc26red on Saturday 09 February 19 17:57 GMT (UK)
Both Robert and Euphemia emigrated 1861, well that is the date of entry to USA

Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: jc26red on Saturday 09 February 19 18:26 GMT (UK)
I have to say, check the tree on Ancestry carefully as I am doubtful they attributed the correct John and Elizabeth as parents of Robert Armstrong.
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 February 19 19:47 GMT (UK)
The anc tree looks rather suspect quoting Euphemia Watson still in Scotland in 1871  ::)

http://generations.regionofwaterloo.ca/showsource.php?sourceID=S29&tree=generations

marriage -

http://generations.regionofwaterloo.ca/getperson.php?personID=I86747&tree=generations#cite1

which on the second page gives...................

father - John Watson,   b. Abt 1811, Of, Jedburgh, , Roxburgh, Scotland   d. Bef 1881

and mother - Euphemia Hudson,   b. 1801, , Roxburghshire, Scotland   d. 23 Aug 1890
burial -  Mount View Cemetery, Cambridge, Waterloo Region, Ontario.

Sandra



Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 February 19 19:55 GMT (UK)

James Watson - 17 November 1841 - Relief or United Presbyterian Church Jedburgh Scotland
Parents John Watson and Euphemia Hudson.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1BC-XW5

Sandra

Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 February 19 19:57 GMT (UK)

1881 Waterloo Ontario

James Watson   38 born Scotland.
Cecelia Watson   31
Christina Watson 10
Euphemia Watson 8
John Watson   4
Euphemia Watson 78 born Scotland. Widowed.

Sandra
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 09 February 19 20:05 GMT (UK)


James Watson - passed away - 5 Jan 1933  - Galt (Cambridge), Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada.
Married to Cecelia N Irvine.  Father John Watson mother Elizabeth Hilson - (probably error in transcription)

http://generations.regionofwaterloo.ca/familygroup.php?familyID=F10614&tree=generations

Sandra
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 09 February 19 21:24 GMT (UK)
findagrave...James Watson (1841-1933) and family in Mountainview Cemetery, Cambridge, Ontario

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194527823/james-watson

RK
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 09 February 19 22:29 GMT (UK)
As for the 1862 marriage ... that is before civil registration began in 1869.  The marriage record should be in one of the County Marriage Registers. 

Waterloo County is Volume 32.  The film reel numbers are here...about 2/3 of the way down the document
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ne5/

Have you tried your local family history centre?  They will likely have these in their collection.   

RK
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: polarbear on Sunday 10 February 19 01:23 GMT (UK)
From this website.....

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emaryc/thisisit.htm

4th line down, mother's maiden name given for each, date of marriage 30 Jan 1861, though.....

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emaryc/waterloo.htm

PB
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: RunKitty on Sunday 10 February 19 05:58 GMT (UK)
Great find PB :)

Looks like the St. Andrews Presbyterian records aren't with the main set of records in the Ontario Marriage Registers. 

They are in the Church Records Collection at the Archives. 
http://ao.minisisinc.com/LISTS/F%20978.pdf

I can find the Ontario Marriage Registers (with images) on familysearch, but I don't see the Church Records Collection on familysearch.

Good thing PB found the transcript!!

RK
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: jc26red on Sunday 10 February 19 07:39 GMT (UK)
Well done PB
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: jc26red on Sunday 10 February 19 09:24 GMT (UK)
baptisms on Scotlands people (Canonbie, Dumfries)
children of John Armstrong and Isabel Little
Thomas Armstrong 16 Apr 1824
Robert Armstrong 22 Jun 1826
Isabella Armstrong 1828

This would make Robert Armstrong 6 years older than he states on his death cert

Another Robert Armstrong was also born in Canonbie abt 1832, son of Robert and Margaret but he was a Mason's apprentice in 1851
Doubtful he is the same Robert but adding just to save further searches

1841
Chapel Hills Canonbie Dumfries
John Armstrong 45
Isabella Armstrong 40
Thomas Armstrong 15
John Armstrong Age 10
Julia Armstrong 7
Hugh Armstrong 4
1841
Barrascroft Outhouse Canonbie Dumfries
Robert Broatch   25
John Dalgliesh   35
Robert Armstrong 10 ag lab

1851
New Wood Head Dumbfries
Isabella Armstrong 54
Julia Armstrong   17
Hugh Armstrong   14

1851 Canonbie Dumbfries
John Slacks   64
Elisabeth Scott   54
Thomas Slacks   31
Robert Slacks   19
James Slacks   14
Margaret Slacks   27
Jane Slacks   23
Jane Routledge   5
Robert Armstrong 20 farm servant
James Armstrong   30 farm servant   <<< can't find him with parents or a baptism, unsure if he is another brother
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: Jeffrey on Sunday 10 February 19 11:44 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your input on Robert and Euphemia.

Most of the emails confirm what I had already and that the information on quite a few of the Trees on Ancestry is incorrect. So it's good to know we're all in agreement.
But the new and most interesting find is from PB as this led me to his mothers name as Isabella Little  ;D which I have suspected, but unable to prove for the last 10 years. Thank you so much. :D That is what I have been waiting for.
BUT there is another puzzle - he has put himself down as coming from Cromerty in Scotland but there are no Roberts or any children born to a John A* & Isabel Little from there.
I had already narrowed him down to Dumfrieshire - even though his birth date is in 1826. But I have other pointers that it is most likely him.

I have been doing my research in association with the Armstrong Clan Association who have a vast database of Armstrongs.
I had suspected him as being the one in the 1841 Census at Barrascroft Outhouse and the one in the 1851 Census with the Slacks. Then he fell off the radar in the Census's.

The problem is he has only just come back on the radar again recently first in Canada then in the US through my DNA being a strong match with many, who have also done their DNA and  have him in their trees.
I am descended from him through my Gt Grandmother. She was born illegitimately in 1855. Both her parents were farm servants at a farm called Orchard in Canonbie at the time.

I am wondering if the birth difference was because he was away from home at an early age and didn't know his age and saying he was born in Cromerty defected away from him having an illegitimate child in Canonbie. But then that is just supposition! ???

I would still like to have a copy of the original marriage entry as even on the Site PB has given me the marriage date is different by 18 months to the Waterloo Generations Site. ???

Thank you all very much.
I am sure, as I suspected he is the son of the John A* & Isabella Little, born at Priorhill in 1826.

Judy
 
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: Jeffrey on Sunday 10 February 19 11:55 GMT (UK)
Meant to confirm he definitely isn't the son of John & Margaret - Mason's Apprentice as I have a death certificate in Scotland for him in Nov 1861.
I have also been able to rule out other Roberts out in the area by one mean or another.

Thanks
Judy
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: jc26red on Sunday 10 February 19 12:20 GMT (UK)
I’ve looked for a marriage for John and Isabella in Scotland and the NE England but no luck so far.

Robert left home very early but was still in the Canonbie area so if anything he would have used Canaonbie as place of birth. It might just have been misheard by the person completing the records who might not have totally understood his accent.

There is also a tree on FS for John Armstrong and Isabella Little but there a lot of assumptions
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: Jeffrey on Sunday 10 February 19 12:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks again.
I couldn't find a marriage either - again been looking for a few years but will look again. Quite a few of mine seemed to forget to get married!!!
Isabella Little was born illegitimately to a Helen Little - just can't put my finger on the record today - another to look for again.

Judy
Found it.
1 Feb 1803 Canonbie OPR's
Helen Little in Archerbeck had her Illegitimate daughter born Jan 10th
Baptised Feb 1st. Isabella.
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 10 February 19 15:43 GMT (UK)
From this website.....

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emaryc/thisisit.htm

4th line down, mother's maiden name given for each, date of marriage 30 Jan 1861, though.....

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emaryc/waterloo.htm

PB

Great research PB  ;) ;)

Sandra

Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: polarbear on Sunday 10 February 19 15:52 GMT (UK)
Aw, thank you  :).

It's a bit odd that the marriage date differs from another record.

PB
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: polarbear on Monday 11 February 19 01:24 GMT (UK)
Deleted what I wrote.....forgot the marriage was before registration began.

PB
Title: Re: Help to get copy of Marriage Document from Archives of Ontario
Post by: Jeffrey on Monday 11 February 19 10:14 GMT (UK)
Yes odd as it was 18 months different  ???
I think the idea of ‘Canonbie’ being misheard as ‘Cromerty’ is feasible as accents are very difficult to understand sometimes.
Judy