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Title: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: paulmanning on Saturday 09 February 19 17:32 GMT (UK)
i am trying to find out more about my g/grandma  charlotte annie manning  born dean prior 1887 died approx 1919. she had 1 child my grandfather Sydney Caleb Manning born 1908. i am not able to trace who Sydneys father was as not shown on his birth cert.. 
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 09 February 19 17:37 GMT (UK)
Just so we can see roughly where he was born  :)

Birth June qtr 1908   
Sidney Caleb Manning
Totnes    5b   157

Have you looked for a baptism in case a father is mentioned.  What information are you after for Charlotte.

1911 for Sidney
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW9C-KTM
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: paulmanning on Saturday 09 February 19 17:41 GMT (UK)
mainly to find who she was with  when sidney was born.not certain if she was married before but   she later married in 1918  a year before her death. i do wonder how she died.
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 17:47 GMT (UK)
So she married Arthur J Scarfe, Sep qtr 1918 Newton Abbot - is that right?
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 17:48 GMT (UK)
Death as Charlotte Annie Scarfe aged 31, Jun qtr 1919 Plymouth?
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 17:50 GMT (UK)
You could find out how she died by obtaining her death certificate (or pdf, currently £6 from GRO Online).
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: paulmanning on Saturday 09 February 19 17:50 GMT (UK)
thats correct avm ,  not sure how she died
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 09 February 19 17:53 GMT (UK)
Unless she died in an accident and it was recorded in the local paper then I would think the only way to find cause of death is by purchasing her death certificate.   Sidney's birth certificate should state whether she has more than one surname
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 09 February 19 17:57 GMT (UK)
Sydney Caleb Manning was baptised at Landscove on 19 July 1908, son of Charlotte Anne Manning, of Gullaford.
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: paulmanning on Sunday 10 February 19 13:13 GMT (UK)
so, talking to someone on chat yesterday they managed to find out that charlotte annie  had 2 other children , frederick william and Gilbert charles , but i cannot find this information myself anywhere they said frederick was 1908-1963 (i did find a frederick 1912 from totnes ) and as from gilbert ??? they said 1912 to 2004 anyone got access to any premium sites to check this out ?
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 10 February 19 13:58 GMT (UK)
There is a Frederick who could be a candidate:-

MANNING, FREDERICK  WILLIAM     -     
GRO Reference: 1912  S Quarter in TOTNES  Volume 05B  Page 277

No mother's maiden name which usually indicates an illegitimate child.

The person who told you may have got the dates wrong.

Added: On Freebmd mother's maiden name is given as Manning
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 10 February 19 14:02 GMT (UK)
There is a Gilbert in 1917

Births Mar 1917   
Manning    Gilbert C    Manning    Newton A.    5b   160

GRO's version

MANNING, GILBERT  CHARLES     -     
GRO Reference: 1917  M Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT  Volume 05B  Page 160
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 10 February 19 14:04 GMT (UK)
There is an online tree (Ancestry) which shows Sydney, Frederick & Gilbert
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: paulmanning on Sunday 10 February 19 14:07 GMT (UK)
thanks girlguide, thats the FW manning that looks like it fits.  as no frederick was mentioned on the 1911 cencus with the family. so 1912 works.  apparantley sydney and frederick was raised by the grandmother mary .
still searching for more on Gilbert charles who was later raised by a stepdad so was told
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: paulmanning on Sunday 10 February 19 14:09 GMT (UK)
wow  where is this tree rosie  ?
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 10 February 19 14:09 GMT (UK)
There is a death for a Gilbert Charles Manning in 1998 in the Hillingdon district of Middlesex.  Birth date given as 3rd March 1917 which would fit the birth that I found.
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 10 February 19 14:09 GMT (UK)
There is an online tree (Ancestry) which shows Sydney, Frederick & Gilbert
Title: Re: charlotte annie manning devon
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 10 February 19 14:17 GMT (UK)
There is a likely looking marriage for Gilbert in 1949 to an Irene Massey:-

Marriages Dec 1949   
Manning    Gilbert C    Massey    Uxbridge    5f   376    
Massey    Irene D    Manning    Uxbridge    5f   376

Looks like there may be two children from that marriage.  Won't give the names as they are likely to be still alive.