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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: JA JULIEN on Sunday 10 February 19 11:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
i'm loocking for 2 records in Ballinrobe, in this period :
-the birth of Helen Greaven in 1833
-the death of her mother around 1835
Where can i found theses records ?
best regards,
JA JULIEN
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Hi, i'm loocking for 2 records in Ballinrobe, in this period :
-the birth of Helen Greaven in 1833
-the death of his mother around 1835
Where can i found theses records ?
best regards,
JA JULIEN
Do you mean the death of Helen's mother around 1835?
Civil registration of births (and deaths) didn't start until 1864. For earlier records you need to see if church registers survive (not all that do are online).
If they were Catholic the Ballinrobe registers are here- however, it looks as though the earliest baptisms are from 1843 onwards.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1047
In Ireland Ellen is more often used as the variation of Helen.
Did Helen marry? if so, when and where? does the marriage record (or a later death record) give name of either of her parents?
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Yes i mean helen's mother.(mistake corrected)
actually, on some documents I find either Ellen or Helen or the French version Hélène.
Yes I already got somes records about her (Mariage(+contract), Deaths, Children's birth) :
She got married in France in Paris with Charles JULIEN in 1857 ( I think she emigrated after the great starvation).
She died in 1907 in Nantes (France).
On the wedding contract, i found :
She is the daughter of James GREAVEN (dead in 1848) and Mary Tyrrell of Tyrone(dead around 1835 in Ballinrobe), she has some brothers and sister born during the 1820-1835 period).
I don't know if they were catholics but they were noble families.
On her death record, her mother is named Mary Tyron and her father James was a doctor (maybe some archives about ballinrobe's hospital ?)
Thank you for the answer
Cheers
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https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish.php?county=Mayo&surname=Graven
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https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish.php?county=Mayo&surname=Greaven
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
The Tithe Applotment Books show Js Graven in Knockfereen, Ballinrobe - 1827
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ne7/
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Find my Past has Irish newspaper snippets which mention a James Graven 1830-1849.
Whether it is the same family, I do not know.
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There's a Dr. James Greaven mentioned in Irish newspapers but he seems to have been at Ellis Quay, Dublin in 1847. In 1850 directory there's a Denis Greaven at 27 Ellis's Quay.
https://www.libraryireland.com/DublinDirectory1850/g.php
Not sure if this is the same Dennis Graven whose son James was baptised 1842 in Dublin-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.nicholas_mf_1838-1853_ba_0050
I did find record of Anthony James Greaves, apothocary, of Galway town, who died in 1865-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014890/005014890_00134.pdf
Anthony Joseph Greaven died 13 Mar.1865 age 68.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK1-KTJJ
Searching in civil records there's only 1 Greaven entry for Ballinrobe registration district- John Greaven died age 25 in 1866 (entry not yet online).
Paris, or even France, is an unlikely place to send a young girl during or just after the Great Famine which a good reason. Perhaps she was entrusted to nuns or went there as a governess or servant. I can't see any links to a noble family.
Added- from 1851 newspaper there's a Denis Greaven, M.R.C.S. [Master Royal College of Surgeons] with no location given.
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Newry Reporter, 2 Sept.1911: ... but by her,who died 3rd Feb.1884, he had no issue. He married, secondly, _th October, 1889, Mary, only daughter of Anthony Greaven, M.D., of Eyre Street, Galway, but by her (who married, secondly, Mr. Sheehy, _, R.I.C.) he had no family. His death...
Dublin Evening Post, 1 Oct,1825: APOTHECARIES HALL, DUBLIN. MR. ANTHONY GREAVEN, of Galway, after due Examination in Pharmacy and Chemistry, he obtained his Qualification as Licentiate Apothecary.
Galway Vindicator & Connaught Advertiser, 12 Apr.1845: BIRTH. … the instant, High-street, the lady Anthony J. Greaven, of a son.
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On her death record, her mother is named Mary Tyron and her father James was a doctor (maybe some archives about ballinrobe's hospital ?)
Would the hospital have been at the workhouse?
Workhouse in Ballinrobe.
www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/about-mayo/history/workhouses-in-county-mayo/workhouses/ballinrobe.html
Historical Ballinrobe
www.historicalballinrobe.com/category/homecontact_us
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More on Ballinrobe Workhouse here which didn't open until 1842- http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Ballinrobe/
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On the wedding contract, i found :
She is the daughter of James GREAVEN (dead in 1848) and Mary Tyrrell of Tyrone(dead around 1835 in Ballinrobe), she has some brothers and sister born during the 1820-1835 period).
Do you have ANY details about these brothers and sisters?
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Thanks all for your fast answers !
I need to share you more information, i have a family tree made by my great-grand-father (the grandson of Ellen) 50 years ago. I only have the tree (the 3 attachements), i don't have any records to prouve it (but we can consider the tree is correct I guess)
(https://image.noelshack.com/minis/2019/07/1/1549845745-greaven-1.png) (https://www.noelshack.com/2019-07-1-1549845745-greaven-1.jpg)
(https://image.noelshack.com/minis/2019/07/1/1549845745-greaven-2.png) (https://www.noelshack.com/2019-07-1-1549845745-greaven-2.jpg)
(https://image.noelshack.com/minis/2019/07/1/1549845747-image1.png) (https://www.noelshack.com/2019-07-1-1549845747-image1.jpeg)
Well, Let's start with the couple James Greaven + Mary Tyrrell of Tyrone :
- James Greaven was born in Ballinrobe 1794 and dead Ballinslow[Galway] in 1848
- Mary ToT died In Ballinrobe in 1835
- they probably got married around 1820
- they got at least 6 childrens in Ballinrobe, the second, Anthony was born in 1821, Ellen was born in 1833
- It is look like all the childrens who were orphaned by the mother, left Ireland because of the great famine, we can see Maria and Bridget left to Canada with Andrew, Ellen went to London with Kathleen(who became a nun), and Anthony left to Dublin and became Baron of kimmage.
Paris, or even France, is an unlikely place to send a young girl during or just after the Great Famine which a good reason. Perhaps she was entrusted to nuns or went there as a governess or servant. I can't see any links to a noble family.
Well noticed ! she probably met her french futur husband in London and then she followed him when he came back to Paris.
Indeed, Charles lived nearly 15 year in London, i found in the 1851's census they were living in the same house :
(https://image.noelshack.com/minis/2019/07/1/1549844189-1851-census.png) (https://www.noelshack.com/2019-07-1-1549844189-1851-census.jpg)
I did find record of Anthony James Greaves, apothocary, of Galway town, who died in 1865-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014890/005014890_00134.pdf
Anthony Joseph Greaven died 13 Mar.1865 age 68.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK1-KTJJ
Maybe that Anthony is a brother of James, James died in County Galway ...
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Thanks, i'm delighted to discover this community, I can now start on my Irish lines :)
Maiden Stone, thank you for the reference, i will explore theses passionately !
My main goal is to find some records about Mary ToT to find her parents !
I hope my english do not shock too much (my native language is French)
Cordialy
Edit : i have also this note from a cousin, it is about the James greaven's children. But there is maybe be some mistakes ( for example, we see Ellen is born in Dublin but on her death records it is written Ballinrobe ) :
(https://image.noelshack.com/minis/2019/07/1/1549847261-25589901-2059985650948305-179674963-n.png) (https://www.noelshack.com/2019-07-1-1549847261-25589901-2059985650948305-179674963-n.jpg)
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As you are beginning on your Irish ancestors I recommend a website Irish Toolkit which has much advice and guidance. htpps:///www.irish-genealogy.com
Ellen's sister was a nun so we may assume that the family was Catholic, although the Church of England (Church of Ireland in Ireland) also has some orders of nuns. If only one parent was Catholic, their marriage may have been in either church and children may have been baptised in either religious denomination. Knowing the religion is very important when searching for baptisms and marriages in Ireland. Few church registers exist for the times James married and his children were born.
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Re. Baron of Kimmage.
See Wikipedia article Terenure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
"Terenure, Drimnagh and Kimmage were given to the Barnweil family by King John in 1215." Various owners since then. One owner was Joseph Dean 1674-1715 who was Chief Baron of the Irish Exchequer. (Finance minister) Terenure then passed to the Bourne family.
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There's a Dr. James Greaven mentioned in Irish newspapers but he seems to have been at Ellis Quay, Dublin in 1847. In 1850 directory there's a Denis Greaven at 27 Ellis's Quay.
https://www.libraryireland.com/DublinDirectory1850/g.php
I did find record of Anthony James Greaves, apothocary, of Galway town, who died in 1865-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014890/005014890_00134.pdf
Anthony Joseph Greaven died 13 Mar.1865 age 68.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK1-KTJJ
Hello,
where can we go and see the newspaper? This James Greaven could be the one JA is searching. He died in 1848 (according to Ellen Greaven) in Ballinslow ? which does not exist ( I think so). He could have been in Dublin in 1847.
What is the correct name of the village , according to you (you should manage with this better than me). ? I think it could be Ballinasloe.
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where can we go and see the newspaper? This James Greaven could be the one JA is searching. He died in 1848 (according to Ellen Greaven) in Ballinslow ? which does not exist ( I think so). He could have been in Dublin in 1847.
What is the correct name of the village , according to you (you should manage with this better than me). ? I think it could be Ballinasloe.
I assumed it was Ballinasloe. Ballinasloe is in Galway but was in a different county before some boundary changes in 19th century.
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Thank you.
Dr James Greaven : in which newspaper did you find him?