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Title: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: soupdragon on Sunday 10 February 19 17:15 GMT (UK)
I cannot find my mothers family on the 1939 Register. 

Her father was in the RAF, so this may be a reason, but her grandmother, Eliza Harpin, is also missing and she would have been living with her husband Reginald Harpin in Bedfordshire at the time.  If the register was the basis for issuing ration cards, why are these people missing?
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 10 February 19 17:21 GMT (UK)
If she was born less that 100 years ago, she might have been blanked out (redacted).


Gadget
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 10 February 19 17:25 GMT (UK)
A short article about redaction s in the 1939 here:

https://blog.findmypast.co.uk/redaction-and-the-1939-register-1406494638.html
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 10 February 19 17:28 GMT (UK)
If you are looking for Reginald & Eliza on F M P try 'Harpeir'

Ancestry have transcribed it correctly (that makes a change  ;D  )
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 10 February 19 17:35 GMT (UK)
Just for clarification:

Is Reginald Harpin, the gentleman who married Eliza Wellsted - 1924 in Biggleswade Registration District?

Maybe not - I can't see any children registered as Harpin with Wellsted as mother's maiden name  :-\
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 10 February 19 17:38 GMT (UK)
Just for clarification:

Is Reginald Harpin, the gentleman who married Eliza Wellsted - 1924 in Biggleswade Registration District?

Maybe not - I can't see any children registered as Harpin with Wellsted as mother's maiden name  :-\

I suspect they both may have been married before  :-\
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: soupdragon on Sunday 10 February 19 18:00 GMT (UK)
Yes, Eliza and Reginald were both married before,
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: cbcarolyn on Sunday 10 February 19 18:03 GMT (UK)
did you find them?  I can see Elizabeth and Reginald

Bedford RD DQDA p 3

The redacted is a bit hit and miss.  I have 2 living relatives in their 90s on there and the rest in their 90s redacted.

My mother was sent to Cornwall to relatives from London, so already missing from her parents listing along with her 2 sisters, one remaining at home.
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: soupdragon on Sunday 10 February 19 18:07 GMT (UK)
...and they were married in 1924
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: soupdragon on Sunday 10 February 19 18:19 GMT (UK)
Thanks for sorting out the Harpin issue folks.

However I still can't find Valletta Brown, are all military families not on the 1939 register?
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: cbcarolyn on Sunday 10 February 19 18:24 GMT (UK)
this has info who was included http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: soupdragon on Sunday 10 February 19 19:54 GMT (UK)
My confusion arises from the fact that I know that my mothers immediate family was in England at the right time, and that, even if they lived on an RAF base (as they did), the information given by the National Archives says:

The records do include

    members of the armed forces on leave
    civilians on military bases


Perhaps I should re-phrase my question ---does any one else have problems finding milit ryfamilies in the 1939 Register, or are the Browns just missing for some other reason?


Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: cbcarolyn on Sunday 10 February 19 22:52 GMT (UK)
Do you know the base they were at in 1939?  I don't mind having a search around to double check, what other details can you provide -  birth year?  husband name? or other household members.  It maybe transcription or wrongly redacted.
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 10 February 19 23:07 GMT (UK)
Hi

Just in case recent  members are unaware, although we can help members with general guidance and   hints, we are not allowed to do straight look ups on the 1939 register.

Gadget

See, for example, moderator's comment on:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748099.0
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 11 February 19 08:27 GMT (UK)
Perhaps I should re-phrase my question ---does any one else have problems finding milit ryfamilies in the 1939 Register, or are the Browns just missing for some other reason?

There are people on there who should be uncovered but still are not.  Ancestry uncovers records on an annual basis, F M P are continually updating. Unless you know exactly where they were living you may just have to be patient
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: cbcarolyn on Monday 11 February 19 09:06 GMT (UK)
can we tell them where to look?  ie guide to a mistranscription.

and look for each person, as you can often work out the rest.  What I find confusing is the whole line is redacted, so the first entry on the sheet may have the address, and redacted and all other lines are ditto from that first line.
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: Gibel on Monday 11 February 19 11:34 GMT (UK)
When was born? If she was born after 1919 she may be still redacted. I can see a Valletta Brown in Blacklands Drive Hayes in the 1946 London Electoral Rolls if that’s any help?
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: JohninSussex on Monday 11 February 19 11:56 GMT (UK)
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not allowed to do straight look ups on the 1939 register.
The principle Rootschat seems to work on is not to provide information on these pages, if that information is only available if you have a paid subscription.  So if you have found details on a pay site and the other person has access to that pay site, you can tell them how to find it, or else you can provide information that is available on a free lookup, hopefully without being challenged by other users.
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: Sloe Gin on Monday 11 February 19 12:49 GMT (UK)
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not allowed to do straight look ups on the 1939 register.
The principle Rootschat seems to work on is not to provide information on these pages, if that information is only available if you have a paid subscription.  So if you have found details on a pay site and the other person has access to that pay site, you can tell them how to find it, or else you can provide information that is available on a free lookup, hopefully without being challenged by other users.

Since the two main sites in question are freely available at most public libraries and various other locations, I don't understand what the problem is.
Title: Re: 1939 Register : missing record?
Post by: sarah on Monday 11 February 19 13:02 GMT (UK)
I have locked this topic to give me chance to reply to the members.

Sarah