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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: ricardoespana on Sunday 10 February 19 18:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
My late grandfather had in his possession a 'Coat of Arms', as shown below.
I know what the Latin motto stands for.
My question is - who was James Milner? .. In my tree, I have no name of a James Milner.
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He would be a member of the Baronet Milner family, of Nun-Appleton Hall, Acaster Selby, North Yorkshire.
Arms: per pale or and sa. a chev. betw. three bits counterchanged. Crest—A horse’s head sa. crined and bridled or, charged on the neck with a bezant.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milner_baronets
Translation of the blazon:
Per pale (shield divided in 2 by a vertical division) Or (gold) and sa. (sable = black)
a chev. (chevron) between 3 bits counterchanged (signifies gold on black, and black on gold).
The crest is a black horses head, crined (= the mane) and bridled in gold.
A bezant is supposed to represent a gold coin of Byzantium.
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Hello ricardoespana,
Firstly, the arms themselves are quite probably genuine. That is to say they were probably granted to this Milner person by the College of Arms.
Secondly, whoever drew this was not from the College - there are mistakes in the drawing which the college would not make.
Thirdly, there is a popular misconception that there is a coat of arms for every person - not true. The widely called "Family Crest".
Fourthly, it is my belief that your grandfather fell into this trap and bought this image thinking it was related to his family - it probably is not.
This is taken from The General Armory.
Regards
Chas
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Sorry - duplicate
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My grandfathers children - my mother and her 2 sisters, always believed it was Alfred, Viscount MIlner..
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I wrote to the College of Arms in London about 12 years ago and had a lovely reply, saying they could give me all the background to the Coat of Arms - which they said was genuine, but would need £300 for them to furnish the details.