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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: AureliaSB on Tuesday 12 February 19 21:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm searching for information about two of my past family members named Ann Moran & Critchley Almond who were together during the late 1870's & possibly during the early 1880's.
Ann Moran was born in Ireland during 1854/5 & was known to be living in Blackburn Lancashire in 1878 when she gave birth to my grandfather, the father is believed to be Critchley Almond who was born in Blackburn in 1853.
I am hoping that there might be someone using this site that may have some family history relating either of them especially Critchley Almond who should be remembered by someone as his name as far as I am aware is one of the rarest.
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Critchley Almond is on the 1871 census with parents Richard & Mary - born 23.8.1853 Blackburn - died 14.11.1915. Probate was granted to the undertaker and he left a little over £57
Doesn't look like he married but there is a tree on Ancestry with a copy of his death cert so somebody appears to have an interest in him
Does Critchley's name appear on your grandfathers birth or marriage certificate?
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In 1891 he is shown as married - wife L Stansfield born Openshaw - but there is no marriage and later census shows he was single. Children on the entry are shown as Stansfield
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You probably have this but in 1881 Ann Moran and her son James were lodging with the Cosgrove family in "Friday Street", Blackburn. In 1891 young James "Marn"(sic) ALMOND is with his father and other family members at Peel Lane, Blackburn
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Births December qtr 1878
MORAN James Blackburn 8e 401 no mmn shown
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You need to investigate further but I think Ann Moran married John Lee June qtr 1881 Blackburn. Son John William b Sept qtr 1882 and is in lodgings in 1901
Can't see an 1891 entry for the family but there is a death in Sept qtr 1884 Blackburn for an Annie Lee aged 27. If it's the right death that could be why James was with Critchley Almond in 1891
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L Stansfield was Louisa nee Smith as per birth reg of son John William Stansfield March qtr 1888
Marriages December qtr 1874
Smith Louisa Rochdale 8e 56
STANSFIELD Joseph Rochdale 8e 56
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Critchley Almond isn't named on my grandfather James Moran's birth certificate but I know he is the father because l have a bastardy record dated May 1880 ordering Critchley Almond to pay Ann Moran money each week towards my grandfather's welfare.
I don't think the Ann Moran who married John Lee in June 1881 is my great grandmother because her age doesn't fit, she has her age recorded as being 26 on the April 1881 census when she was living with my grandfather James Moran age 3 as lodgers on Friday St. in Blackburn, also on the Ann Moran & John Lee marriage the certificate is dated June 1881 this Ann Moran is recorded as being 25, also I don't think she would have given up the money being paid to her by Critchley 13 months after it had been awarded to her.
I also think there could have been a strong relationship between Critchley & Louisa Stansfield after my great grandmother Ann Moran & the birth of my grandfather in 1878 , the strange thing is that neither Critchley or Louisa can be found anywhere on the 1881 census but as you say they were living together with my grandfather & other children on Peel Lane in Heywood near Rochdale on the 1891 census & in Oswaldtwistle on the 1901 & 1911 censuses, he died in Padiham in 1916 & was buried in the Immanuel churchyard Oswaldtwistle.
My great grandmother Ann Moran appears to have vanished after her being recorded on the 1881 census with my grandfather, so I am hoping that someone on one of the ancestry search sites may have some knowledge about what happened to her after 1881 as I would like to find out more about her, one thought is that she may have returned to Ireland in the 1880s so the responsibility of looking after my grandfather was passed on to Critchley his father.
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also I don't think she would have given up the money being paid to her by Critchley 13 months after it had been awarded to her.
Wouldn't that have continued irrespective of any marriage? You can't expect a new husband to support another mans child
they were living together with my grandfather & other children on Peel Lane in Heywood near Rochdale on the 1891 census & in Oswaldtwistle on the 1901 & 1911 censuses,
In 1901 Critchley is living alone and in 1911 he is in lodgings
In 1901 Louisa Stansfield is in lodgings in Todmorden
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Re: 1884 death
If you check the 1881 census there is no other Ann or Annie Moran in Blackburn who was single with a mid- 1850's birthyear
Given the marriage took place between April - June 1881 I think it is more likely than unlikely the 1881 marriage is her as is the 1884 death
also on the Ann Moran & John Lee marriage the certificate is dated June 1881 this Ann Moran is recorded as being 25
Have you bought a copy of that cert as it is not online and LancsBMD shows it as Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended
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Sorry I meant Critchley was living alone in Oswaldtwistle on the 1901 & 1911 censuses.
I have a copy of the Ann Moran/John Lee marriage certificate dated 18th June 1881, her age was 25 & a spinster, John Lee was 38 & a widower, Ann's address was 32 Leyland St. Blackburn & John Lee lived next door at 30.
The reason for dismissing this as being my Ann Moran is because on the April 1881 census living on Friday St. her age was 26 but the Ann Moran who married John Lee two months later was 25, the marriage was at St. Ann's church in Blackburn.
My thought on this was that her age would be correct on the marriage certificate so maybe she has given the wrong age for some reason on the 1881 census.
With regard to Louisa Stansfield living in Padiham on the 1911 census coincidentally her address was just across the road from the address that Critchley had put in his will, which makes me think that he was still keeping close to her up to him passing in 1916.
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I have a copy of the Ann Moran/John Lee marriage certificate dated 18th June 1881, her age was 25 & a spinster, John Lee was 38 & a widower, Ann's address was 32 Leyland St. Blackburn & John Lee lived next door at 30.
The reason for dismissing this as being my Ann Moran is because on the April 1881 census living on Friday St. her age was 26 but the Ann Moran who married John Lee two months later was 25, the marriage was at St. Ann's church in Blackburn.
My thought on this was that her age would be correct on the marriage certificate so maybe she has given the wrong age for some reason on the 1881 census.
Is the age discrepancy your only reason for doubting them having been the same woman? The discrepancy is very slight. She may not have been sure herself. Ages of some of my Irish ancestors who were born around same time as her vary by a decade and more. If someone were to ask my age I may have to consider and do a sum before replying. I have the advantages of a birth certificate and an education; she didn't have the former and may not have had the latter.
How old was the husband? A bride might subtract a bit from her age.
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As I mentioned on my previous post the husband John Lee was a 38 year old widower.
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So you did. My question about John Lee's age was an afterthought.
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Is this baptism your Ann's son?
20th October 1878, St. Mary R.C., Blackburn
James Moran, son of Ann Moran
Born 4th October 1878
Godparent Kate Carroll
Any idea who Kate Carroll was?
Who were witnesses at marriage to John Lee?
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Yes it is my grandfather.
The witnesses at the Ann Moran/John Lee marriage are K Sharples & Bridget O' Malley.
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Forgot to mention Kate Carroll, I have found a Kate Carroll, I think it was on the 1881census living on Cambridge St. which was near to Friday St. in Blackburn where my Ann Moran was living as a lodger with my grandfather age 3 on the 1881 census.
They were both cotton mill workers so I concluded that Kate Carroll was a work colleague,
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Re: 1884 death
If you check the 1881 census there is no other Ann or Annie Moran in Blackburn who was single with a mid- 1850's birthyear
Given the marriage took place between April - June 1881 I think it is more likely than unlikely the 1881 marriage is her as is the 1884 death
also on the Ann Moran & John Lee marriage the certificate is dated June 1881 this Ann Moran is recorded as being 25
Have you bought a copy of that cert as it is not online and LancsBMD shows it as Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended
Yes I have an actual copy of the wedding certificate.
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Critchley Almond as far as I am aware, based on all the searching that I have done is the only person to have had this name , therefore one would think that it would be easy to find someone who would know
something from the past about him other than the information that can be accessed on the ancestry sites that are available on-line.
He is my great grandfather and my immediate close family know nothing about him, is this name known to anyone that uses this forum, if anyone has any family history or knows anything about Critchley Almond who was born in Blackburn in 1853 please get in touch.
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This is a duplicate post. You were given info that somebody else has a tree on Ancestry so has an interest in him. He never married so no other descendants apart from your grandfather who was his illegitimate child
Threads merged.
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Yes I know that and with respect I don't want to waste anyone's time looking for him in the records, I am trying to find out if there is anyone outside of my family that has any knowledge about him that is known to their family.
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Have you checked the Surname Interests board - scroll to bottom of page and link is found under Tools.
Have you turned up the tree on Ancestry I mentioned in your other post and contacted the owner to check their connection?
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Have you checked the Surname Interests board - scroll to bottom of page and link is found under Tools.
Have you turned up the tree on Ancestry I mentioned in your other post and contacted the owner to check their connection?
I haven't checked the surname interests board yet but I will give it a try.
The tree on Ancestry has been built by my cousins who rightly so are researching our family history, however in my opinion some the information posted isn't correct so I'm not taking any notice of it.
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A Critchley Almond is mentioned in the Preston Herald, 25 Jun 1868, under the headline "Caution to Sunday Tossers".
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A Critchley Almond is mentioned in the Preston Herald, 25 Jun 1868, under the headline "Caution to Sunday Tossers".
Yes I have a copy of that story, it was also reported in the Blackburn Times newspaper around the same time when he was about 16.
Thanks for your help.
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.... What on earth is, or was, a "Sunday Tosser"? The mind boggles!
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.... What on earth is, or was, a "Sunday Tosser"? The mind boggles!
;D
I think it was illegal gambling on Sunday. "Pitch & Toss"? A lad with my GGF's name (or possibly his cousin) was fined for playing a game of chance in the street. It may have been reported in same newspaper.
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The newspaper article I referred to includes " .... summoned for playing at toss .... each fined half a crown".
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Critchley Almond is my great grandfather, what a rebel he was but as far as I am aware there's never been another Critchley Almond.
The complete article was reported in the Blackburn Standard July 1868.
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Sorry about the quality of my last post, not sure what has happened with the image I posted but hope you can read the content.
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L Stansfield was Louisa nee Smith as per birth reg of son John William Stansfield March qtr 1888
Marriages December qtr 1874
Smith Louisa Rochdale 8e 56
STANSFIELD Joseph Rochdale 8e 56
I'm not sure where you have obtained this information from because John William Stansfield who was born on 8 January 1888 has a baptism record 25 January 1888 at St. Peters Church in Burnley with Louisa Stansfield the mother as a single women.
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Since the last post I have now found out that the above Louisa Stansfield nee Smith born in Openshaw married a Joseph Stansfield in 1874 in Rochdale, they had a son named Simeon born in Blackburn in 1876,
I think they also had a daughter together called Emma in 1879 but not sure what happened to her.
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Edit:
Pardon me. I did not take note that it was StanSfield
You probably knew this but.. Simeon married Amelia Chatterton on 3 Jun 1895 at Marsden.
It's interesting there is another family with very similar names. A daughter named Emma Stansfield with a father named Simeon... Mother's name Emma Willcox. marriage is in 1892 and the Emma listed is 30 years of age so born about 1862. It could be relatives, a brother to Joseph Stansfield?
Anyhow this family has children's names such as Emma, Joseph, Simeon.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=emma&q.surname=stansfield&f.collectionId=1473015&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on
Top entry.
These two census seem to be family related i'll bet...
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5906bf54e9379091b134ebb8/joseph-stansfield-1861-yorkshire-west-riding-todmorden-1847-?locale=en
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905a67ce9379091b1645caf/simeon-stansfield-1861-staffordshire-wolverhampton-1829-?locale=en
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Stansfield is a surname that occurs a lot in Todmorden area - it's also the name given to a huge slab of the area itself.
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Related topic
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=855065.msg7233241
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Related topic
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=855065.msg7233241
Same poster has a topic "John William Lee", parents John Lee & Ann Moran who were mentioned on this thread.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=853523.0
It seems a relative of Aurelia has turned up on RootsChat.