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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: lmgnz on Saturday 16 February 19 10:18 GMT (UK)
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I had an old Post on the Derry site relating to Andrew Colhoun of Bishops St Londonderry, born c 1823 who died 1881.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=525124.msg6677829#msg6677829
I will copy my latest information and questions across to this site as my questions relate to more to Donegal than Derry.
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Continued from 2011 post for Andrew Colhoun of Bishops St Londonderry.
I would now like to widen this topic to the family of Andrew Colhoun as recent DNA results show that Andrew Colhoun was probably a cousin of my gt grandfather William John Dougherty. The main suspect for the DNA match is William John Dougherty's mother whose name is not known.
I think Andrew Colhoun may have been the son of Andrew Colhoun of Corncannon(?) who the Londonderry Sentinal of 7 Feb 1865 said died
On the 3rd February (1865), at his residence, Corncammon, Mr. Andrew Colhoun, aged 85 years.
Can anyone tell me if this is close to or the same as Corncamble?
I also have a death notice for an Ann Colhoun who died 1867 and could have been the widow of this Andrew Colhoun:
December 22, at her son's residence, Tullyannan, Ann, relict of the late Mr. Andrew Colhoun, aged 79 years.
This is what I have so far. Andrew Colhoun born c1823 died 1881 and his wife Catherine nee Shiels did not have family of their own.
The Will of Andrew Colhoun late of Bishop-street Londonderry Publican and Grocer who died 17 February 1881 at same place was proved at Londonderry by Alexander M'Vicker of Shipquay-street and George Walker of Magazine-street both in Londonderry two of the Executors. (Former Grant 21 April 1881.) (Double Probate). Effects £3,000
Andrew listed his siblings in tis order:
Samuel, John, Thomas, William, Ann, Jane and family of deceased sister Isabella, then lastly Hugh.
From the wording in Andrew's will I do not think Hugh was married or had any family.
Jane Colhoun b c 1826 married David Rutherford at Taughboyne on 15 Jun 1846. The record I can see in Ancestry does not name her father. I have several Rutherford DNA matches. Catherine Colhoun, widow of Andrew, died in 1894 and left a will.
To my nephew Henry Rutherford who now resides with me I bequeath and devise the house shop and premises as now in my occupation in Bishop Street in the said City of Londonderry together with all stock in the said shop, shop fixture and fittings, furniture in said house an all my interest and good will in the business as now carried on by me in the said premises. I also bequeath to the said Henry Rutherford the sum of three hundred pounds sterling.
I also have DNA matches to a descendent of a Wiliam Colhoun b c1820 ( who married Elizabeth Roulston) and I think to Samuel Colhoun (1817-1914) who married Margery Roulston. Potentially these are brothers of Andrew.
I checked the Griffiths valuations for Tullyannan and there was only one Colhoun listed there and that was Samuel Colhoun. I do not know if this is the same Samuel as above.
Lastly, I have also discovered a lesser DNA match to someone whose Colhoun Ancestor was the Jane Colhoun, daughter of William who
On the 16th ult., at the house of Mr. George Rodgers, of Killyverry, by the Rev. William Scott, Mr. Joseph Huston, of Killyverry, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. William Colhoun, of Drummany, near Letterkenny.
This brings me to another question about geography. There is another Andrew Colhoun who died 1865 and left a will
The Will (with one Codicil) of Andrew Colhoun late of Londonderry in the County of Londonderry Woollen-draper deceased who died 28 May 1865 at Moville in the County of Donegal was proved at Londonderry by the oaths of Thomas Miles Grover and Joseph Orr Merchant both of Londonderry aforesaid the Executors.
Andrew names a sister Jane who was married to Thomas Miles (in June 1838)
On the 5th inst., at Manorcunningham Church, by the Rev. Mr. Chapman, Mr. Thomas Miles, of this City, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. William Colhoun, of Lifford.
I was wondering how close Lifford was to Durmmanny but as both daughters were named Jane, I assume they are daughters of different Williams?
So I would appreciate input from anyone who can expand and connect the various Colhouns of Donegal with the siblings or parents of Andrew who died 1881.
I have not been able to positively identify the spouses of John, Thomas, Ann or Isabella.
Cheers
Linda.
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Hi Linda,
Here are some deeds for Corncammon/Corncamble. I’m not entirely sure how they all fit together yet.
Book 258 / Page 198 / Number 170516
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-N9T8-7?i=109&cat=185720
Memorial of a deed tripartite dated 5th June 1762 between William Colhoun of Corncamon, parish of Taboyne [Taughboyne], Co Donegal, Gent, on the 1st part; Tristram Cary of Rockfield in said parish, and Owen Colhoun of Corncamon aforesaid, Gent, on the 2nd; Catherine Cary spinster, eldest daughter of said Tristram Cary on the 3rd. For certain considerations, William Colhoun granted to Tristram Cary and Owen Colhoun lands in Corncamon to hold in trust for certain purposes. Witnessed by Rev Williams Connor, curate of Taboyne, John Colhoun of Corncamon, Gent, and John Parkin of St Johnston, Gent, all of said parish and Co Donegal. Memorial executed by Tristram Cary in the presence of said John Colhoun and John Buchanan of the city of Londonderry, clerk to Henry Sloan, gent.
Book 314 / Page 343 / Number 218367
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNH-496K-9?i=551&cat=185720
Memorial of deed dated 3rd Oct 1778 between William Colhoun of Corncammon, Co Donegal, gent, on the 1st part; George Cary of Rushfield in said Co, gent, of the other. William Colhoun granted to George Cary the town and lands of Corncammon then in the possession of said William Colhoun, and Sarah Curry widow, Bryan Coyle, Peter Crumlish, James McGarvey, John Campbell, Joseph Thompson and William Black his undertenants. To be held by George Cary in trust to pay himself £100 and £250 due to “divers other” creditors of William Colhoun. Witnessed by John Cary of Coxtown and James Lynch of Coxstown, Co Donegal, gent. Memorial witness signed by George Cary and witnessed by John Cary and Peter McDonagh of the city of Londonderry.
Book 392 / Page 281 / Number 258977
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ4-7SQK-6?cat=185720
Memorial of lease and release (marriage settlement) dated 29th Sep 1787 between John Colhown [Colhoun] of the city of Londonderry, surgeon and apothecary, on the 1st part; Hugh Woodney [?] and James Cully both of Newry, Co Down, Gents on the 2nd; John Fivey and Elizabeth Fivey spinster, daughter of said John, on the 3rd part. Marriage intended between John Colhown and Elizabeth Fivey. In consideration of £300, John Colhown granted to Hugh Woodney and James Culley half of the townland of Corncamon, Barony of Raphoe, Co Donegal. John Fivey granted to Hugh Woodney and James Culley the part lands of Greenan near Loughbrickland, Co Down, which he was then intitled to under the will of his father Thomas Fivey deceased, and also the part of Greenan lately purchased by him from his daughter to the said Elizabeth Fivey for the residue of a term of 2000 years. Witnessed by Cathe [?] Toubert of Canal St, Newry, widow, and Danl Brown of Newry, attorney.
Book 396 / Page 162 / Number 260736
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-5PWF?i=90&cat=185720
Memorial of a mortgage dated May 1787 between John Colhown [Colhoun] of Corncammon, Co Donegal, gent, on the 1st part; William Gallagher of Ruskey, Co Donegal, farmer, on the second. Whereby John Colhoun granted to Gallagher the moiety of Corncammon as theretofore was in the occupation of John Colhoun deceased and his undertenants, and now of the said John Colhoun. The moiety being the north side of the townland of Corncammon, Barony of Raphoe, Co Donegal. William Gallagher to hold with all rights, subject to an annuity of £20/pa, plus a clause of redemption upon payment of a certain sum. Deed and memorial witnessed by Peter McDonagh, not. pub., and Peter McDonagh junior, both of the City of Londonderry.
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Book 512 / Page 484 / Number 334951
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ4-QFSV?i=562&cat=185720
Memorial of a deed of release dated 4th Feb 1798 between William Colhoun of Corncammon Gent and John Colhoun of Rushfield Gent, eldest son and heir at law of said William Colhoun, both of Co Donegal on the 1st part; George Carey [Cary] of the city of Londonderry Esq on the other part, whereby said William Colhoun and John Colhoun granted to George Carey that part of Corncammon formerly held and enjoyed by Charles McFarland and his undertenants James Fleming, Seth Kelly, James Fay, James Coyle and Alexander French, commonly known by the name of the Fourth Division of the Townland of Corncammon, and then in the possession of said William Colhoun and his undertenants. Witnessed by Peter McDonagh and John Carey both of the city of Londonderry, Gents. Memorial witnessed by Peter McDonagh and William Dogherty of the City of Londonderry, writing clerk.
Book 624 / Page 5 / Number 426909
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-QSX3-X?i=281&cat=185720
Memorial of deed of mortgage dated 16th Apr 1810 between John Fivey Colhoun of St Johnstown, Co Donegal, Esq. on the 1st part; John McClintock of Ardagh [?] in Co Donegal, farmer, of the other. For £200, Colhoun granted to McClintock that part of Corncamon as then in the occupation of John Chambers, Moses Craig, Michael McGinley [?], Samuel McCliners [?], James Colhoun, & Nancy [?] Payne or the other tenants of the said John Fivey Colhoun. McClintock to hold subject to a clause of redemption. Witnesses John Alexander of Kinecally [?] Gent [+Atty?] John Mills of Lislughry [?] & James [?] Pikistwon [?] of St. Johnstown, all in Co Donegal. Memorial witnessed by John Alexander and John Mills.
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Here’s an earlier one…
Book 69 / Page 359 / Number 48717
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN1-63YM-S?i=205&cat=185720
Memorial of deed and release dated 15th and 16th Oct 1731 between William Forward of Castleforward, Co Donegal, Esq, on the 1st part; John Colhoun of Corncammon in said Co, gent, of the 2nd. William Forward granted to John Colhoun the town and lands of Corncammon (as lately surveyed by Mr. Archibald Stewart), to have and to hold forever, subject to the fee farm rents of £22 8s and other considerations payable to Forward. Witnessed by William Patterson of Plaister [?], and William Dougall of Castleward, both in the county of Donegal, gents. Memorial witnessed by William Patterson and Robert Patterson.
The freehold for this was up for sale in the landed estates court between 1850 and 1885. By that stage the Forwards had evidently been elevated to Earls of Wicklow.
https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE%2FLEC%2F4506901%2F00742&parentid=IRE%2FLEC%2F4506901%2F00742%2F002
The tenant was “Representative of John Colhoun” and it refers to the above grant of 1731.
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Oh! I was looking at PRONI and discovered that John Colhoun of Corncammon was the Strabane agent for the Earl of Abercorn. There are numerous letters from the Earl to Colhoun under reference D623.
Some of them have some fantastic details, e.g.
From the Earl of Abercorn to Mr. Colhoun:
…when the other workmen are quite out of the house, I desire it may be thoroughly painted and the offices where it is necessary. I would have the paint stone colour and on the doors chocolate colour. I desire you will send me word what is wanting that I do not think of, in order to have it completely finished. I would know if the garden is walled in, and if it is, would have some care taken that it be not overcome with weeds…
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We also get lots of information (including exact date) for John Colhoun…
D623/A/31/67 – Mr. Nisbitt to Abercorn (18th Apr 1755)
Poor John Colhoun your Lordships agent, was struck with a dead palsey on Wednesday the 16th inst., and has not spoke one word since and in the oppinion of everybody is past all hopes of recovery; least his own family shoud be in too much confusion, I thought it my duty to give your Lordship this account.
D623/A/31/68 – Tristram Cary to Abercorn (18th Apr 1755)
Last Wednesday morning as Mr Colhoun was puting on his cloaths, he was seized with the palsy which deprived him of speech and the power of his right side; he has his sight and reason perfect; I think he is rather better this evening and hopes he will recover; I have taken care at the Court leets I have held and given such orders to those who have the care of the woods that I expect nothing will be done to their disadvantage; if your Lordship has any commands untill Mr Colhoun is better or otherwise, I will take care that they shall be puntually obeyed
D623/A/31/70 – Tristram Cary to Abercorn (22 April 1755)
Letter reporting the death of Mr Colhoun on the 21st; by his will appointed his wife, son, and me his executors, when your Lordship thinks proper we will want an order from your Lordship to collect the arrears. As I lye under many obligations to your Lordship for which I shall always bear a most greatfull sense, if on this occasion your Lordship is pleased to take me into your consideration I will indeavour faithfully to dascharge any trust you shall imploy me in
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The Earl of Abercorn was in Dublin at this time, so presumably news was running a week or two behind…
D623/A/15/5 – Abercorn to Mr. Nisbitt (29th Apr 1755)
I am greatly concerned at the 'melancholick' account you give me of poor Colhoun's health. I have another letter of the same date from his kinsman Tristram Cary, who seems to flatter himself with hopes of his recovery.
When it becomes necessary, I would have you take the management of all affairs into your hands, until I give farther direction. But in this will use discretion, according to the condition he may be in, so as not to give him uneasiness.
D623/A/15/7 – Abercorn to Mr. John Colhoun (3rd May 1755)
I am very greatly concerned at the news you send me of your father's death. I thank you for the care you took of my affairs upon that occasion. I have now directed Mr Nisbitt to take the present management of them. If there are any of the May rents standing out, I will give you what assistance I can to receive them.
What letters of mine you find among your father's papers, as they relate solely to my affairs, I desire you will seal up in a cover, and give them to Mr Nisbitt to keep for me. But give him my letters of January 31st and April 17th open as containing some directions…
D623/A/15/10 – Abercorn to Sir Thomas Prendergast (7th May 1755)
I now beg leave to recommend Mr John Colhoun, son of the deceased, for the office of deputy postmaster of Strabane. He is the person I had originally in my thoughts, is a young man, I am assured, remarkably sober and diligent, and has been accustomed to the business, under his father. I order him by this post to send up the names of his two securities who will, I imagine, be the same as his father's ....'
D623/A/15/11 – Abercorn to Mr. Nisbitt (7th May 1755)
This day I have received a letter from John Colhoun, desiring me to procure the post office for him. In consequence of which, believing him a careful young man, and apprehending inconvenience from delay, I do by this post recommend him to Sir Thomas Prendergast to succeed his father. Sir Thomas requires that he should immediately send up to him the names of the persons that are to be his securities. And therefore charge him to do it by the return of the post. I do not write to himself.
I suppose he knows his father bought Caddle's freehold in trust for me. As he died before he had conveyed it to my use, it descends, I imagine, to this young man, who now holds it in trust for me, till some farther disposition can be made.
Colhoun had likewise in his custody Patrick Hamilton's release for £500 paid since I saw him. And also a bond from young McClintock to me for £500 lent last summer. Take these papers into your hands ....'
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D623/A/15/11
[James, Earl of Abercorn], London, to Mr Nisbitt.
This day I have received a letter from John Colhoun, desiring me to procure the post office for him. In consequence of which, believing him a careful young man, and apprehending inconvenience from delay, I do by this post recommend him to Sir Thomas Prendergast to succeed his father. Sir Thomas requires that he should immediately send up to him the names of the persons that are to be his securities. And therefore charge him to do it by the return of the post. I do not write to himself.
I suppose he knows his father bought Caddle's freehold in trust for me. As he died before he had conveyed it to my use, it descends, I imagine, to this young man, who now holds it in trust for me, till some farther disposition can be made.
Colhoun had likewise in his custody Patrick Hamilton's release for £500 paid since I saw him. And also a bond from young McClintock to me for £500 lent last summer. Take these papers into your hands ....
This looks to be the purchase referred to. It’s interesting to see how much trust the landlords had to put in their agents.
Book 171 / Page 258 / Number 114518
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJM-45MM?i=139&cat=185720
Memorial of agreement between William Caddel [Caddle] of St. Johnstown in the Co od Donegal, and John Colhoun of Strabane in the Co of Tyrone. For £300, Caddel sold to Colhoun his freehold tenement in the town of St. Johnstown. Dated 20th Sep 1754. Witnessed by Tristram Cary of St. Johnstown, William Spratt of Dowkemaker [?] and Andrew Grier yeoman, both of Strabane. Memorial dated 21st Sep 1754 at Lifford.
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I know I'm getting a bit carried away but I made a few more notes which I'll post before I forget about them...
This is the John who was son of John Colhoun the agent who died in 1755. I think he may be the one who was married to Jane Rankin, daughter of the Rev. Samuel Rankin (d. 1756).
D623/A/39/116
John Colhoun, Corncamon, to [Earl of Abercorn] (20th Apr 1771)
I have this day purchased James Doyle's farm of Momeen, and nothing is wanting to confirm it but your Lordship's approbation. I have a large family and would be very fond to secure some settlement for some of them. It is nigh Raphoe where there is a good school to have my boys instructed, and I am convinced from your Lordship's regard for my father, of your Lordship's concurrance in this, but I thought my duty not to make any bargain of any lease in your Lordship's land without first consulting your Lordship and getting your Lordship's consent, and I expect your Lordship will condescend as to lett me know if you approve of it.
Other letters show he did indeed move to Momeen where he was a quiet but not great tenant, and died a few years later…
D623/A/43/19
James Hamilton, Strabane, to [Earl of Abercorn]. (19th May 1776)
On the 8th of this month Mr John Colhown's widow sold her farm in Momeen; Nathaniel Rogers of Woodland who wanted but the quarter of it was the purchaser; he had before he bid for it agreed with a man who was to have had three quarters of it; that man has given it up, Rogers fearing to lose 15 guineas he gave in earnest, and desirous of getting the quarter, agreed with Adam Starrat for the three quarters, at a considerable loss to himself.
Edit: I did search the ROD for Momeen deeds but didn't find any.
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Jumping to the 19th century…
Presumably John Fivey Colhoun’s mortgage with John McClintock (1810) didn’t work out…?
Book 636 / Page 176 / Number 436581
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSHS-19K4-3?i=409&cat=185720
Memorial of mortgage dated 20th Mar 1811 between John Fivey Colhoun of St Johnston, Co Donegal, Esq., on the 1st part; Anne Kinkead of Ballyholy [?] Co Donegal, widow, of the 2nd. For £200 Colhoun sold to Kinkead that part of Corncammon then in the occupation of John Chambers, Moses Craig, Michael McGinly, Samuel McChimmins [??], James Colhoun and Nancy Payne; also that part of Corncammon then in the possession of Mary Galaher [Gallagher] widow. Subject to a clause of redemption. Witnessed by John Alexander of Kinecally [?] and David White of Clashygowan [?] both of Co Donegal, gents.
This may be a descendant of John, son of John Colhoun (d. c1755) because he owns the part of Corncammon which was previously leased to Rev. Samuel Rankin.
Book 786 / Page 479 / Number 532014
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-S9SG-C?i=291&cat=185720
Memorial of marriage settlement of John Colhoun of Corncamon, Co Donegal, Esq, and Miss Elizabeth Church, one of the daughters of John Church late of Oatlands, Co Londonderry, deceased. Dated 8th Oct 1823. John Colhoun on the 1st part; Elizabeth Church on the 2nd; Isaac Colhoun of the City of Derry on the 3rd; Michael Harrison of Ballymena, Co Antrim, Esq on the 4th; and John Church of Grove Co Londonderry Esq and Stafford Church of Ballymena, Co Antrim, Esq, of the 5th. Whereby John Colhoun who was seized in fee of part of Corncamon; and Elizabeth Church was entitled to one eleventh share of the money produced by the sale of the lands of Ballygown, Co Tyrone and the lands of Drumagardna, Co Londonderry, soon to be sold by decree of the Court of Chancery – said money to become the property of John Colhoun, and he is to charge the lands of Corncamon with a jointure of £80/pa payable to Elizabeth in her widowhood. A common recovery is necessary to carry this out, so John Colhoun grants to Isaac Colhoun the lands of Corncammon formerly possessed by the Rev. Samuel Rankin and his undertenants and then in the possession of said John Colhoun and his undertenants, lands to be held in trust for the purposes mentioned. Deed and memorial witnessed by John Church of Coleraine, Esq., and Thomas Colhoun of Strabane.
I’m guessing Mary was probably John’s mother in this one…?
Book 797 / Page 30 / Number 538165
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-Q9H6-8?i=21&cat=185720
Memorial of a deed dated 1st Oct 1824 between John Colhoun late of Corncammon, Co Donegal and now of Strabane, Co Tyrone on the 1st; Mary Colhoun of Strabane aforesaid of the 2nd. John granted to Mary an annuity of £30 payable out of the lands of Corncammon now in his possession, for and during her life. Witnessed by Samuel Colhoun of Strabane, attorney at law, and Thomas Colhoun of Strabane, gent.
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Thank you Gilby for all this information it has been a great help in sorting out Corncammon relationships at about one or two generations before Andrew born c1780 and died 1865, and wife Ann who died 1867.
This family seem to pivot on the John Colhoun who died 21 Apr 1755 and was agent to Lord Abercorn.
John named his family in his will of 1752.
These were:
Wife Elizabeth who inherited property at St Johnston, which devolved to their son Owens Colhoun after her death.
Children in order of appearance in the Will were:
John; (often referred to as Jack) who inherited some of the Corncammon properties.
Andrew; who was to inherit the above properties if Jack did not.
William; who was to inherit the some other Corncammon properties
Owens;
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Oops.That was not meant to happen. Anyway.
Owens; who was to inherit St Johnston properties after Elizabeth. And was not yet 20 in 1752.
Isabella; who was the last default inheritor of any property if her brothers pre-deceased her. Isabella was also not yet 20 in 1752.
Elizabeth, Jack and Tristram Carey were the executors of this will.
William son of John married Tristam Carey's daughter Mary Carey (so named in Tristram Carey's Will). Most trees think that William married Isabella Carey. Also most trees do not include the son John noted as the "eldest son and heir at law" of William in 1798.
Also most trees seem to think that Jack Colhoun died 1795, whereas his widow in 1776 sold the Momeem property purchased by Jack in 1771. Note that Jack had a large family in 1771 including several boys by the sound of his letter to Lord Abercorn.
Cheers
Linda
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Now to John Colhoun who died 21 April 1755 as conformed by letters to Lord Abercorn
John is on the list below from Taughboyne Graveyard.
Taughboyne Graveyard
Here lieth the body of Mary Colhoun
Alias Mary Owen who died ye. 9th day of September 1741 aged 70{born 1671}
Also the body of John Colhoun {her husband}who died the 17th day of March 1743 aged 78 {born1673}
Also the body of Mary Colhoun alias
Nesbitt who died the 17th day ***** 1743 aged 38
Here lyeth the body of Mr John Colhoun who departed this life
The 21st April 1755 aged 55 or 85 {illegible} years
There is a strong presumption that John was the son of John Colhoun who died 1743 and his wife Mary Owen(s).
It is also likely John who died 1755 was married to Mary Nesbitt (who also died 1743) prior to his marriage to Elizabeth.
This is supported by some other documents in the series found by Gilby in which Jack Colhoun refers to Elizabeth as "his father's widow". See below.
D623/A/33/106
Jo. Colhoun, Strabane, to Abercorn (31st Jul 1759)
I am ready to pay the remainder of bark money due my Lady and hopes her Ladyship will inclose her receipt to Mr Hamilton for me; my father's widow is dead and I hope your Lordship will be pleased to allow me the field which she held from your Lordship, as I am in great want of one, I am my Lord with the greatest regard your Lordship's most obedient and humble servant.'
Cheers
Linda
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William son of John married Tristam Carey's daughter Mary Carey (so named in Tristram Carey's Will). Most trees think that William married Isabella Carey. Also most trees do not include the son John noted as the "eldest son and heir at law" of William in 1798.
And confusingly, the 1762 marriage settlement (posted on the previous page) refers to Catherine Cary, not Mary or Isabella!? Maybe she was Catherine Mary or Mary Catherine, or maybe William married two sisters in succession? ???
What's 1798 in reference to?
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Book 512 / Page 484 / Number 334951
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ4-QFSV?i=562&cat=185720
Memorial of a deed of release dated 4th Feb 1798 between William Colhoun of Corncammon Gent and John Colhoun of Rushfield Gent, eldest son and heir at law of said William Colhoun, both of Co Donegal on the 1st part; George Carey [Cary] of the city of Londonderry Esq on the other part, whereby said William Colhoun and John Colhoun granted to George Carey that part of Corncammon formerly held and enjoyed by Charles McFarland and his undertenants James Fleming, Seth Kelly, James Fay, James Coyle and Alexander French, commonly known by the name of the Fourth Division of the Townland of Corncammon, and then in the possession of said William Colhoun and his undertenants. Witnessed by Peter McDonagh and John Carey both of the city of Londonderry, Gents. Memorial witnessed by Peter McDonagh and William Dogherty of the City of Londonderry, writing clerk.
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Book 512 / Page 484 / Number 334951
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ4-QFSV?i=562&cat=185720
Memorial of a deed of release dated 4th Feb 1798 between William Colhoun of Corncammon Gent and John Colhoun of Rushfield Gent, eldest son and heir at law of said William Colhoun, both of Co Donegal on the 1st part; George Carey [Cary] of the city of Londonderry Esq on the other part, whereby said William Colhoun and John Colhoun granted to George Carey that part of Corncammon formerly held and enjoyed by Charles McFarland and his undertenants James Fleming, Seth Kelly, James Fay, James Coyle and Alexander French, commonly known by the name of the Fourth Division of the Townland of Corncammon, and then in the possession of said William Colhoun and his undertenants. Witnessed by Peter McDonagh and John Carey both of the city of Londonderry, Gents. Memorial witnessed by Peter McDonagh and William Dogherty of the City of Londonderry, writing clerk.
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Sorry for the double 1798 entry. I was experimenting with the quote feature and was not sure if the first attempt had worked.
The 1762 document also involved Owen Colhoun who who at that time would have been about 30 years old or younger. So it is possible that Owen was marrying Catherine Carey. I do not know the name of Owen's wife, assuming he did marry.
It is possible there may have been more than one Carey/Colhoun marriage.
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That’s possible, but I think the way the 1762 deed is worded, it was William who was giving lands to his brother Owens and father-in-law Tristram Cary to hold in trust for his wife. I need to take a better look at the Carys at some point.
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This is one that might become relevant…
Book 464 / Page 93 / Number 293405
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-6J9K?i=52&cat=185720
Memorial of articles of agreement dated 4th Jul 1792 between John Law of Banagher, Co Londonderry of the 1st; Isabella Kinnier otherwise Rankin, widow, of the 2nd; and Thomas Colhoun of the City of Dublin of the 3rd part. John Law granted to Thomas Colhoun lands in Rosguire, Co Donegal then in the possession of James Kernahan and Andrew Kernahan, to hold in trust [for Isabella??]. Witnessed by Rev William Rankin of Warrington, Co Down, and Samuel Colhoun. Oath by Samuel Colhoun aged 20 years and upwards.
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I know I'm getting a bit carried away but I made a few more notes which I'll post before I forget about them...
This is the John who was son of John Colhoun the agent who died in 1755. I think he may be the one who was married to Jane Rankin, daughter of the Rev. Samuel Rankin (d. 1756).
Wonderful research on the Colhouns -- I can confirm that John Colhoun (son of John Colhoun, senior, the Agent for the Abercorns) was indeed married to a daughter of the Rev Samuel Rankin.
The Rev Samuel Rankin (c1686-1756)
Samuel Rankin of Corncamon (Taughboyne), Co Donegal Clk will dated 3 Jan 1756 proved 27 March 1756
Wife Jane Rankin orse Baird.
Daughters – Catherine, Isabella, Jane, Mary
Sons Samuel, John, William and eldest son Thomas
Son in law – John Colhoun
[Betham Will extracts]
Note: The Rev Samuel Rankin married Jane Baird. She was the daughter of Thomas Baird. In his will Thomas Baird left his land of upper Cloghogal equally to his daughter Jane Rankin and Tristram Cary of Tonagh. The Rev Rankin‘s eldest son Thomas Rankin took possession of Upper Cloghogle. He and Tristram Cary held them in common and divided the lands from the high road to the top of the mountain. [D623/A/37/4].
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Thank you for the confirmation that John Colhoun of Corncammon married Jane Rankin. The Betham Will extracts are very useful in confirming relationships in the 1700s that it would otherwise be very difficult to prove. I have now been sent several from relatives who have (until recently) had access to PRONI. Though I have seen a few omssions and possible errors.
I think the July 1796 extract I was sent for John Colhoun gent of Corncammon was a Betham Will extract. Though Orval Calhoun and others have interpreted this as being for John who married Jane Rankin, I think it was for John presumed son of John (Jack) Colhoun and Jane Rankin.
The extract lists John Fivey Colhoun as son and a Mary Colhoun as widow and relict. It is clear from newspaper articles (Belfast Newsletter 1 January 1799 and a couple later) that John Fivey Colhoun was a minor and Elizabeth Colhoun was the widow, which agrees with the 1787 marriage settlement between John Colhoun surgeon and apothecary of Londonderry and Elizabeth Fivey. The same article mentions an annuity for a very old grandmother of John Fivey Colhoun, who may in fact be Jane nee Rankin.
John Colhoun husband of Jane purchased a farm in Momeen in 1771 and had died by 18776 when his widow (Jane) sold the property.
D623/A/39/116
John Colhoun, Corncamon, to [Earl of Abercorn] (20th Apr 1771)
I have this day purchased James Doyle's farm of Momeen, and nothing is wanting to confirm it but your Lordship's approbation. I have a large family and would be very fond to secure some settlement for some of them. It is nigh Raphoe where there is a good school to have my boys instructed, and I am convinced from your Lordship's regard for my father, of your Lordship's concurrance in this, but I thought my duty not to make any bargain of any lease in your Lordship's land without first consulting your Lordship and getting your Lordship's consent, and I expect your Lordship will condescend as to lett me know if you approve of it.
D623/A/43/19
James Hamilton, Strabane, to [Earl of Abercorn]. (19th May 1776)
On the 8th of this month Mr John Colhown's widow sold her farm in Momeen; Nathaniel Rogers of Woodland who wanted but the quarter of it was the purchaser; he had before he bid for it agreed with a man who was to have had three quarters of it; that man has given it up, Rogers fearing to lose 15 guineas he gave in earnest, and desirous of getting the quarter, agreed with Adam Starrat for the three quarters, at a considerable loss to himself.
I have yet to fully document the family of John Colhoun and Jane Rankin but have this week been sent a list of possible sources of male descendants in this line who a member of the Calhoun FTDNA project is hoping will lead to a y DNA donor who could help establish whether this line does (or as we suspect does not) belong to the Crosh house line of Colhouns.
Orval Calhoun has John Colhoun died 1755 (agent of Abercorn) as a son of Alexander Colhoun of Crosh house but I think he is more likely to have been the son of John Colhoun and Mary Owens.
The Betham Will extract for John's 1732 Will does not list his son William who married Mary/Catherine/ Isabella Cary daughter of Tristram. The Betham extract for Tristram Cary's 1780 will only lists a daughter Mary Colhoun and son in law William Colhoun.
Because my grandmothers oldest sister was named Catherine Colhoun Dougherty I think I am going to opt for William's wife to be named Catherine Mary Cary.
Cheers
Linda
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To clarify previous post. The Betham Will exttract for Tristram cary onlu mentions one daughter, but it does mention sons George, Thomas and Tristram.
Also is is the newspaper article of i jan 1799 than mentions a 20 pound annuity for the grandmother of John Fivey Colhoun. The article was related to a Dec 1798 chancery claim made by the Gallagher family. Mary Gallagher, widow of William was listed on the Betham extract of the 1796 will of John Colhoun, as having an interest. Which would appear to be related to the deed below. The 20 pound annuity is probably the same as mentioned in the newspaper article as belonging to John Fivey Colhouns grandmother (mother of John who is making the deed) who was probably Jane nee Rankin.
Book 396 / Page 162 / Number 260736
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-5PWF?i=90&cat=185720
Memorial of a mortgage dated May 1787 between John Colhown [Colhoun] of Corncammon, Co Donegal, gent, on the 1st part; William Gallagher of Ruskey, Co Donegal, farmer, on the second. Whereby John Colhoun granted to Gallagher the moiety of Corncammon as theretofore was in the occupation of John Colhoun deceased and his undertenants, and now of the said John Colhoun. The moiety being the north side of the townland of Corncammon, Barony of Raphoe, Co Donegal. William Gallagher to hold with all rights, subject to an annuity of £20/pa, plus a clause of redemption upon payment of a certain sum. Deed and memorial witnessed by Peter McDonagh, not. pub., and Peter McDonagh junior, both of the City of Londonderry.
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Gortinanima,
Thanks. I hadn’t twigged before that Tristram Cary and Samuel Rankin were married to two Baird sisters. That could explain how the Carys and Colhouns were already kin before 1755.
Amy Young in Three Hundred Years in Innishowen states:
Tristram [Cary], born 1713, died 1781; buried in St. Johnstone, near Derry. Married three times: first, Miss Baird; second, Eliza, daughter of ____ Wensley, widow of William Chambers; third, ____, widow of ____ Woods. He had no issue by the last two wives. By his first wife he had six sons and two daughters, Catherine and Mary (dsp 1756).
[As Linda mentioned, the Catherine/Mary Cary thing is a bit of a mystery. Catherine Cary married William Colhoun in 1762, but Betham’s abstract of Tristram Cary’s will has daughter “Mary Colhowne”. Then Amy Young says both Catherine and Mary died without issue before 1756…?]
In the family tree in Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Miss Baird is shown as the daughter of a “Lt. Baird”. So Lieutenant Thomas Baird? Do you know when he died?
Could he be the same Thomas Baird of St. Johnstown named as executor in the will of Patrick Buchanan of Dundee, Taughboyne parish (1720 - Crossle extract)?
A son Thomas is mentioned in the will of Robert Baird (1713) of St. Johnston:
https://irishdeedsindex.net/mem.php?memorial=5237
Gilby
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Just to update on progress in the family of Andrew Colhoun of Corncammon.
Firstly there is still a generation gap between Andrew Colhoun of Corncammon who died 1865 and the family of John Colhoun, agent to Lord Abercorn who died 1755. yDNA from a direct male line descendant of Andrew Colhoun could potentially bridge that gap.
Next this is my current list of Andrew's family;
Family of Andrew Colhoun and Ann of Corncammmon aka Corncamble
1 Samuel Colhoun b 1811 d 1900 Canada m to Sarah Mitchell pre 1845
2 John Colhoun b 1817 d 1906, m 1851 to Margaret Moore Doherty
3 Thomas Colhoun b c1819 (guess)
4 William Colhoun b c1820 m (1)Elizabeth Roulston m(2) Martha Hughes
5 Ann Colhoun b ?m pre 1845 John Anderson
6 Andrew Colhoun b c1823 d 1881 m1863 to Catherine Sheilds
7 Jane Colhoun b c1826 m 1846 to David Rutherford
8 Isabella ? m pre 1845 d <1881
Hugh (alive in 1881)
Ann and Isabella could potentially have been born between 1811 and 1817.
Further notes:
1 Samuel lived in Tullyannan and most of his children were baptised at Monreagh Presbyterian Church. Samuel aged 63, Sarah 60 and daughters Sarah aged 23 and Elizabeth aged 19 arrived in Canada on the Polynesian on 26 May 1874. Samuel said he was a farmer. Other children appear to have travelled to Canada on different dates (John, Ann, Margaret, Samuel and Mary Jane).
2 John Colhoun of Corncammon, son of Andrew, married Margaret Moore Doherty in 1851 at Monreagh Presbyterian Church. I have only identified 3 people in this family so far with a large gap between marriage and the first known child Elizabeth and between her and her two brothers. I do not know where the oldest, Elizabeth Ann born c 1859 was born but she was living with her parents at Ballyargus when she married John Loughead of Drung in 1883. Both her brothers, Archy Andrew Colhoun born 1869 and John Colhoun born 1870 were born at Drung. Archy emigrated to the USA.
Both John and his wife Margaret (plus son JOhn) were in Ballyargus in 1901. Margaret died 1902 and John in 1906.
3 Thomas Colhoun. not found.
4 William Colhoun of Corncammon probably married Elizabeth Roulston pre 1845. Children, Andrew b1846, Joseph b1849, Isabella b1852 (died 1869) and William baptised 1854 at Monreagh. Elizabeth must have died shortly after this last birth as William Colhoun of Corncammon, widower, son of Andrew, married Martha Hughes ion 28 Feb 1856 at Monreagh.
5 Ann married pre 1845. Jane Anderson, a daughter of Ann Colhoun and John Anderson was baptised at Monreagh but after that I have no records for this family. However an Ancestry tree shows another daughter Margaret born 1849.
6 Andrew Colhoun born c 1824 was the subject of my original 2011 post. Andrew married my 2x gt grand Aunt Catherine Shields in 1863. They had no children so their Wills (1881 and 1894 respectively) have lots of family information.
7 Jane Colhoun b c1826 was a minor (age not given) when she married David Rutherford in 1846 at Monreagh. Their son Henry moved in with Catherine, widow of Andrew after he died, and inherited the Bishop St Londonderry business in1894 when Catherine died. Large family of 10 which I will not list.
8 Isabella. Isabella could have been the oldest daughter and named after a grandmother. From her brother Andrew's Will is appears she married and had children and died pre 1881 but married name and death have not been found.
9 Hugh. Not found. Probably did not marry.
Cheers
Linda
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Hello Linda,
This is a fascinating thread full of wonderful information. I have been researching the Colhouns in Donegal but not the same ones that you have mentioned. The Colhouns that I'm interested in lived in the township of Carnone (AKA Carnowen), Donaghmore, County Donegal (and specifically the sub-township of Brockstown). It's about halfway from Castlefinn to Convoy and not far from Strabane. My great-grandfather was Charles Colhoun (1848 - 1925) and his father was Alexander Colhoun (Abt. 1793 to 1878). I have done extensive genealogical research post-1850 but unfortunately there is very little available for the beginning of the 19th century or the 18th century. I have found Colhoun names in Carnone in the 1826 Tithe Tax Applotment Books (Robert, Joseph, Charles and Edward) as well as the 1796 Flax Growers list (William, Robert and Edward) and finally the 1768 Freeholders list (Edward, William and Charles) but that's about it. Other than doing research on site at PRONI in the Presbyterian church records, would you have any other suggestions? I've done all the general searches on Ancestry and FamilySearch and although they have both been very helpful I feel as if I have exhausted all my resources.
Many thanks in advance for any ideas you may have. Your FamilySearch links to the deeds of the Colhouns is fascinating but I have not found a way to search those deeds on FamilySearch.
All the best,
Daniel
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
The Colhouns that I'm interested in lived in the township of Carnone (AKA Carnowen), Donaghmore, County Donegal (and specifically the sub-township of Brockstown). It's about halfway from Castlefinn to Convoy and not far from Strabane.
Here's the townland of Carnowen.
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/raphoe-south/donaghmore/castlefinn/carnowen/
KG
Edited to add:
Brock's Town Lower
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/raphoe-south/donaghmore/castlefinn/carnowen/brocks-town-lower/
Brock's Town Upper
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/raphoe-south/donaghmore/castlefinn/carnowen/brocks-town-upper/
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Hi Daniel
Sadly The expertise in searching deeds in FamilySearch belongs to Gilby not me. Like you I have not worked out how to do this myself. But then I haven't tried very hard either. I can follow the links though!. I have simply copied some extracts he as sent me privately.
What I did do for myself is look up the PRONI, E Catalogue and type in either "Colhoun" into the search, or the place name. The latter can be very useful. Then see what turns up. Many hits will not have any text but some do. The ones referring to leases can be helpful.
The D series of documents are from Lord Abercorns papers. Of course it helps that John Colhoun who died 1755 was an agent of Lord Abercorn as his name comes up often.
Cheers
Linda
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Thank you for writing back Linda! I will poke around some more on PRONI - that's actually where I found the 1768 Freeholder list placing the Colhouns in Carnone 58 years prior to what I had been able to do before.
It's a struggle to find any vital records for the 18th century online!
Many thanks again. :)
Daniel
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A quick start for searching the deeds is to check the Registry of Deeds Index Project:
https://irishdeedsindex.net/
But they only have some of the deeds transcribed. To search properly you need to look through the Land Index or Grantor Index filmed on Familysearch. Here is a list of all the films:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/185720?availability=Family%20History%20Library
From 1708-1832, each deed has a book number, page number, and memorial number. Once you find a memorial reference which looks interesting you can manually look it up in the relevant volume (e.g. see page 8 of the above link for the first of the memorial books).
After 1832 the memorials are numbered by year, book number, and memorial number (slightly different, but same idea).
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Thank you very much for this message. I will continue my research following your helpful information. Many thanks again!
Daniel
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My Great Grandfather Was the Rev David Rankin Baird born 1866 to William Baird and Eliza Gourley (Tyrone) of Milkisle, Letterkenny and educated from a young age by the Reverend John Kinnear. Do not know what the Rankin connection is. Maybe could have been his grandmother maiden name?
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Hi John
So there is a definite Rankin-Baird connection as posted earlier by Gortinanima. Also Tristram Carey married another Baird.
The Rev Samuel Rankin (c1686-1756)
Samuel Rankin of Corncamon (Taughboyne), Co Donegal Clk will dated 3 Jan 1756 proved 27 March 1756
Wife Jane Rankin orse Baird.
Daughters – Catherine, Isabella, Jane, Mary
Sons Samuel, John, William and eldest son Thomas
Son in law – John Colhoun
[Betham Will extracts]
Note: The Rev Samuel Rankin married Jane Baird. She was the daughter of Thomas Baird. In his will Thomas Baird left his land of upper Cloghogal equally to his daughter Jane Rankin and Tristram Cary of Tonagh. The Rev Rankin‘s eldest son Thomas Rankin took possession of Upper Cloghogle. He and Tristram Cary held them in common and divided the lands from the high road to the top of the mountain. [D623/A/37/4].
I think Gilby knows a bit about rev John Kinnear or I am confusing him with another Rev.
Cheers
Linda
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My Great Grandfather Was the Rev David Rankin Baird born 1866 to William Baird and Eliza Gourley (Tyrone) of Milkisle, Letterkenny......
Can you confirm the source of where David Rankin Baird had his full name?
A David Baird (Beard) was born on 8th April 1864 to William Baird and Eliza Jane Gourley at Milk Isle.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03616/2334628.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/kilmacrenan/conwal/letterkenny-rural/milk-isle/
In 1901 census he was David Baird, a presbyterian minister.
House 7 in Fechey (sic) (Gaevaghy, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Gaevaghy/Fechey/1205394/
As David Baird, he married Minnie Erwin in 1896 at Cargycreevy Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10489/5819654.pdf
1911 census as David Baird
House 20 in Fedany (Garvaghy, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Garvaghy/Fedany/214096/
PRONI Will Calendars https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Full Abstract :
Baird David of 3 Church Road Newtownbreda county Down retired presbyterian clergyman died 4 April 1944 Probate Belfast 5 September to John A. Corbett farmer and Thomas S. Davison garage manager. Effects £1826 9s. 5d.
GRONI Online https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
David Baird 4th April 1944 79 Male Lisburn
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Fasti of the General Assembly 1840-1870:
JOHN KINNEAR, s of Rev James Kinnear, Lower Clonaneese; b 1823; educ OCB GC 1844; lic Dungannon 2 Nov 1847; ord I Letterkenny 27 Dec 1848, res 1899; D.D. (Washington) 1874; MP (Liberal) for Donegal 1880-85; m 1865 dau of William Osborne, Springtown House, Derry; d 8 Jly 1909.
Fasti of the General Assembly 1871-1890:
DAVID BAIRD, b Milk Isle, Letterkenny 7 Apr 1864; educ MCD, ACB GA(1885); lic Letterkenny 4 May 1887; ord Garvaghy 20 Mar 1888, res 31 Dec 1931; Clk Banbridge Pres 1894-1944; m 1896 Mary, dau of Rev R.S. Erwin, Moira; d 4 Apr 1944.
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Looking for “David Rankin Baird”…
Marriage of Thomas Baird to Annie Donaghey at Raphoe in 1865:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11561/8253119.pdf
Birth of Catherine Baird at Derrymore in 1870:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03360/2232090.pdf
Ulster Examiner and Northern Star, 25th Oct 1873:
BAIRD – October 21, at Derrymore, David Rankin Baird, aged 6 years and 9 months; also, Catherine Baird, aged 3 years and 9 months.
Deaths of David Baird and Catherine Baird at Derrymore in 1873:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020680/7256140.pdf
Died on the same day and place, but registered on different dates by different people? I can’t find a birth record for David Rankin Baird – without it, I wouldn’t be sure he was from the same household.
Birth of another David Baird at Derrymore in 1877:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03023/2107869.pdf
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Hello there, just stumbled across your post whilst trying to find out a little about the history of our house. I live in Brockstown House at Brockstown Upper, Carnowen. Be interested to see if there is any connection with your family. The house was built about the turn of the century by a family called Watts. I wonder if there was an earlier settlement in the same place where the Colhouns lived?
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Hello there, just stumbled across your post whilst trying to find out a little about the history of our house. I live in Brockstown House at Brockstown Upper, Carnowen. Be interested to see if there is any connection with your family. The house was built about the turn of the century by a family called Watts. I wonder if there was an earlier settlement in the same place where the Colhouns lived?
My grandmother was born in Brockstown Lower (I believe) in Carnowen. Could you send me an email at 2445940 [at] gmail.com ? It would be great to be in touch. I have an old map of the area.
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I live in Brockstown House at Brockstown Upper, Carnowen.
My grandmother was born in Brockstown Lower (I believe) in Carnowen. ....... I have an old map of the area.
OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
MapGenie 25 Inch [1887-1913] in Basemap Gallery.
https://arcg.is/1GPTzL
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5553238#map=14/54.8310/-7.6281