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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: broaway on Sunday 17 February 19 15:35 GMT (UK)
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here I am again asking for assistance please I have my wife's side that is causing a little concern , I am trying to find a Lily Adelaide Dale DOB 1869 not sure where
This lady married Thomas Josiah Stringer 1893 in London ??
Thomas Josiah Stringer DOB 1873 and they lived in London area, can anyone find me any info on this subject please Ancestry does not seem to help me at all I would like to sort this one out as its getting a little bit frustrating
Kind Regards
George
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Are you sure who she married?
There is this marriage -
Lilly Adelaide Dale
Marriage Age: 23
5 Nov 1893, Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Camden, England
Father - George Dale (dec) Carpenter
Spouse - Henry Grovnor Hook
Spouse's father - Charles Hook
JJ
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1871 -
George Dale 35
Mary A Dale 23
Adelaide L Dale 2
George Dale 10 Months
RG10 Piece 230 Folio 67 Page 56 , Camden Town
JJ
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Free BMD index is a good place to check for her birth and marriage.
I can't see a Lily Adelaine Dale birth in 1869 but as JJen has found you have the wrong groom for the marriage.
Thomas Stringer is the other groom on the page.
The other bride is Katherine Emma Hughes.
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Birth names the other way round!
Adelaide Lilly Dale Jun 1869 Pancras
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1901 census living Carlton Nottinghamshire
Henry G Hook 32
Lily A 31
Dorothy Mary 7
Lily Grovnor 5
Chas Henry 2
Hilda Louisa 4
Lucy Adelaide 11 months
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Possible death (In 1939 they are in Nottinghamshire) -
Adelaide L Hook
Death Age - 85
Registration Date - Jun 1954
Registration district - Basford
Inferred County - Nottinghamshire
Vol 3c Page 1
JJ
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thank you Millipede
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Can we presume we have the correct lady or is your interest with Thomas J stringer?
JJ
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2 more sons by 1911
George Grosvenor born Basford district Notts 1904
Harry Herbert born Basford district Notts 1907
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Death of Henry -
Henry G Hook
Death Age - 82
Registration Date - Mar 1951
Registration district - Basford- Nottinghamshire
Vol 3c Page 38
JJ
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1881
George Dale 35 widower
Lillie 12
Emma 9
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not sure now we know that Thomas Josiah William Stringer DoB 1873 London is related for sure
He lived in Croydon and died 28/ 2 /1960 as he lived with the wifes grandparents
confusion arises now who he actually married where and when
any assistance would be greatly received
thank you
George
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Hi George,
Will send a pm with some info :)
JJ
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Thank you doing our heads in at the moment
regards and thank you everyone
George
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do you know his exact date of birth. Presumably you do not know his wife's name?
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Hi thank you for the reply since posting the request information has arrived throwing more light on the situation, He eventually married a Selina Stoner in Croydon 1915 and I have sent off for the Certificate, Just trying to locate Selina Stoner (Nee Longley DoB 1971) in the 1911 census t the moment, Very elusive
Regards
George
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Previous marriage
Selina Longley
William Stoner
Sep 1897 Croydon
Have you found her with her husband in 1901?
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Can't see a birth, presuming you mean 1871, but there is a Selina Ann Longley born Sep 1868 Kent.
That looks to be her, in 1891 she is a servant in Croydon age 22.
Oh but Selina Stringer already in 1901 not Stoner ??? with her parents.
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Selina had a child Charles Henry Longley killed in 1915.
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Can't see a birth, presuming you mean 1871, but there is a Selina Ann Longley born Sep 1868 Kent.
That looks to be her, in 1891 she is a servant in Croydon age 22.
Oh but Selina Stringer already in 1901 not Stoner ??? with her parents.
and that Selina says born Coventry
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These appear to be your Thoams' parents as on his birth reg mmn = Porter
Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
Porter Mary Ann Pancras 1b 160
Stringer Samuel Pancras 1b 160
This might help to check you have the right marriage certificate in 1915
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Is anyone else finding this as confusing as me?
1. First, there does not seem to be a Thomas with the second names Josiah William bc.1873.
2. As Thomas J. Stringer his birthdate is given later as 17/11/1873 - however, there are only 2 Thomas Josiah Stringer births Dec.qtr.1873 - one in Aston, Warwickshire and the other in London. BUT he is not the London one as that one was born 25/10/1873 (bp.4/1/1874 Camden)
3. There is only one Thomas Stringer in Croydon on last census, single - has the right type of occupation but is shown bc.1871 place not known! Also has adopted son who he is living with in 1939 and yet you say he lived with his wife's grandparents??
'Your' Thomas Josiah Stringer is not the London 1873 one as already explained (son of Samuel and Mary Ann, marriage just posted by lancsann) who had a different birthdate and is living with wife Ada in 1939.
Things just don't seem to be adding up.
Annette
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Thomas Stringer's 'adopted son' - John William Thomas Stringer married Edith Isabel Nye 11/9/1926 St. Martins, Croydon - John's address is 1 Henley Villas, Dartnell Road, Croydon which is where Thomas, John and Edith are in 1939??
Annette
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Is anyone else finding this as confusing as me?
Yes. Am hesitant at going off on the wrong tangent :-\
Perhaps the poster could confirm exactly what information they have to go on so we can recap.
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Thank you or the info I have received information that he joined the army and supposedly dererted Selina , He then died in the ww1 in France
Selina married Thomas Josiah Stringer in Croydon Surrey 1915 but where Selina is in 1911census is a bit of a mystery, Possible Croydon area any information would be most helpful
Regards
George
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Do you think the Selina Stringer with Longley boarders in 1901 is the right Selina?
I realise the birthplace for her is Coventry but the combination of surnames is too coincidental.
Will post it in case
Selena Stringer 30 head married dressmaker
Henry Langley 65 boarder
Eliza " 63
Charles " 12 grandson - this is son of Selina - confirmed by WW1 papers
Elizabeth Ledger 20 visitor born Croydon
Add looks like 30 Exeter Rd Croydon
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I am even more confused now.
Perhaps we could go back to basics please.
Could you tell us how you found the name of your Thomas' wife
The Selina who is on the 1901 b Coventry, the enumerator has even written Warks against it so presumably correct.
"I have received information that he joined the army and supposedly deserted Selina , He then died in the ww1 in France"
if this refers to Charles Longley how can he have deserted Selina?
Was he related to your wife's grandparents?
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I think there have been a lot of 'fibs' told within the family here - Selina already calling herself Stringer - Married - (giving a ficticious birthplace perhaps to not get found out) in 1901. The 'adopted' son John William Thomas Stringer with Thomas Stringer in 1911 had his birth registered as Stringer, mmn Longley so clearly registered as if parents were married when they weren't and in 1911 Thomas claims he was bc.1871 'not known' and unmarried!!
Also, there is no William Stoner killed in WW1 of right name or age so probably another 'fib'.
Have found a William Stoner who enlisted with the Queens Royal West Surrey Regiment at Guildford 4/11/1890 who's stated to have been born in Croydon.
Also, a Thomas Stringer enlisted in the same regiment at Guildford on 26/8/1891 who states he was born Birmingham but gives next of kin as mother Mary Edwards, Hamsley/Hamsby Green, nr. Warlingham, Surrey and can't seem to tie her in at all. Thomas Stringer served in the Boer War and was discharged in Surrey 24/8/1903. (The Thomas Josiah Stringer born Aston/Birmingham in Dec.1873 had a mmn of Woodward and appears to be the son of a Joseph Stringer and Catherine Woodward so that doesn't fit either).
Since Selina was already calling herself Stringer in 1901 and both men serving in the same regiment wonder whether it was Selina who deserted William Stoner rather than the other way round??
Annette
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Also, there is no William Stoner killed in WW1 of right name or age so probably another 'fib'.
Have found a William Stoner who enlisted with the Queens Royal West Surrey Regiment at Guildford 4/11/1890 who's stated to have been born in Croydon.
From CWGC -
William Stoner
Service Number 2450
Died 23/08/1916
Aged 40
17th Bn.
Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Son of Mr. and Mrs. Stoner. Born at Croydon, Surrey, England.
JJ
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Thank you
I think this is the Selina calling herself Stringer
Thomas Josiah Stringer who she married in 1915 was living at the time in Dominion Rd Croydon in
1901 census
Along side him was Ada Lillian Eldridge and husband Horace Eldridge on census it said they were cousin to head of house TJ Stringer and they were born in Coventry
Now awaiting marriage certificate to check who the parents were bit confusing to say the least
Regards
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Thank you
I think this is the Selina calling herself Stringer
Thomas Josiah Stringer who she married in 1915 was living at the time in Dominion Rd Croydon in
1901 census
Along side him was Ada Lillian Eldridge and husband Horace Eldridge on census it said they were cousin to head of house TJ Stringer and they were born in Coventry
Now awaiting marriage certificate to check who the parents were bit confusing to say the least
Regards
I can't find Thomas Stringer, Horace and Ada Eldridge in 1901 - can you please give the reference numbers?
Annette
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To help my confusion please could you answer the questions I asked in reply #27
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This whole scenario gets more bizarre by the minute - have looked at 3 different sites but cannot find Thomas, Ada and Horace in 1901!
However, I did find marriage of Edgar Horace Eldridge to Ada Lilian Longley in June qtr. 1897 Godstone, Surrey and a son William Henry Eldridge birth reg'd Mar.1902 Godstone - this is the son William with Ada in 1911 - neither Ada Lilian, son William or even Edgar Horace Eldridge were born in Coventry so why is this place being stated on census (for Selina too in 1901). Indeed, Selina Ann Longley and Ada Lilian Longley were sisters, mmn Meapham and were both born in Cowden, Kent. Edgar Horace Eldridge was born 1873 in Westfield, Sussex but by 1891 he and his family are in Warlingham, Surrey.
What is it with this family? If Ada Lilian Eldridge, nee Longley was indeed Thomas Stringers cousin, that means his later wife Selina was his cousin too??
Annette
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Selina Longley is one of the witnesses on Edgar and Ada's marriage in 1897.
Residence at time of marriage for Edgar - Tunbridge Wells. Residence for Ada - Oxtead.
In case it helps with finding Ada & Co in 1901.
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1901 as boarders in Canterbury Kent
Edgar H Eldridge 28 born Westfield Sussex
Ada L 27 born Polegate Kent
Edgar H 2 born Oxted Surrey - Edgar Horace born Sep 1898 Godstone MMN Longley
Baptism for Edgar 31 Jul 1898 - born 26 Jun 1898 - Oxtead and he seems to survive to adulthood but don't know where he was in 1911 if only brother William is with Ada.
this also contradicts any 1901 as cousins to T J Stringer and born in Coventry.
Head of house where they are boarders is James Scott and wife Ellen.
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1901 as boarders in Canterbury Kent
Edgar H Eldridge 28 born Westfield Sussex
Ada L 27 born Polegate Kent
Edgar H 2 born Oxted Surrey - Edgar Horace born Sep 1898 Godstone MMN Longley
Baptism for Edgar 31 Jul 1898 - born 26 Jun 1898 - Oxtead and he seems to survive to adulthood but don't know where he was in 1911 if only brother William is with Ada.
this also contradicts any 1901 as cousins to T J Stringer and born in Coventry.
Head of house where they are boarders is James Scott and wife Ellen.
In 1911 Edgar Horace Eldridge junior is with paternal grandparents in Sussex as 'Horace'. It's 1911, Milliepede, where Ada Eldridge is shown as cousin to Thomas Stringer and she and her son William both shown as born Coventry when neither of them were.
In 1891 Henry and Eliza Longley (parents of Selina and Ada) are living in Warlingham, Surrey which is where the Thomas Stringer who enlisted 26/8/1891 said his mother was living (one Mary Edwards, Hemsey Green, Warlingham, Surrey).
'Mary' Edwards threw me but have finally found Thomas J. Stringer on 1891 census, together with older brother John J. Stringer (both transcribed on Ancestry as Edwards when original clearly states Stringer, together with their mother Kate Edwards, Widow, born Berkswell, Warwickshire, living at Hamsey Cottages, Warlingham.
Thomas Josiah Stringer is therefore the one who was registered in Aston, Warwickshire in Dec.qtr. 1873, mmn Woodward. He was the son of Joseph Stringer who married Catherine Woodward 1862 Berkswell. Couple are together in 1871 but in 1881 Joseph and boys are boarders - Joseph shown as married but cannot find Catherine anywhere. Then to 1891 where Catherine (now Kate) is shown as a widow but with surname of Edwards. Can find no further trace of Joseph Stringer after 1881, nor any marriage for Catherine (Kate) to an Edwards so quite what the story is here I don't know. Certainly, sometime between 1881 and 1891 Catherine/Kate moved herself and the boys to Warlingham, Surrey and is calling herself Edwards. No idea what became of Joseph Stringer.
So, the Thomas Stringer who I found had enlisted 26/8/1891 with mother named as Mary Edwards, Hamsey Green, Warlingham is indeed the Thomas Josiah born Aston 1873 but his mother on service record should read Catherine (or Kate) Edwards and not Mary. Thomas won't be found on the 1901 census as he was away fighting in the Boer War 1899 until 1902 although future wife Selina was already referring to herself as Selina Stringer in 1901. The added mystery being why Selina in 1901 and Ada in 1911 both stated they were born in Coventry when they were born in Kent.
As previously stated, Joseph and his sons together in 1881 with no sign of wife Catherine. Found in Newspapers on FindMyPast: Birmingham Mail 18/1/1882 - headed 'LAZY BEGGARS' - Joseph Stringer 50, Carter, John Stringer 18, Tin-plate worker and Thos. Stringer 8, all living in Park Street, were charged with begging in Church Road, Edgbaston. Joseph and John were sent to gaol for a month, and young Thomas sent to the workhouse. (No mention is made of Catherine).
I'm just glad to have finally identified who Thomas Josiah Stringer was - from Warwickshire to Surrey.
Annette
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I can only say thank you so much I am blown away by the information and effort put in by everyone,
only looked at the messages this morning so sorry I could not answer before,
I have sent for a Marriage certificate for Thomas Josiah Stringer to Selina 1915 and will let you know what is on the certificate, ref Mother and Fathers name should clarify some things
once again thank you all so much
George
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after a long week waiting for the Marriage certificate it arrived today
Marriage of Thomas Stringer 25th September 1915 age 42 yrs 0ld Batchelor
employed as Railway Guard address 1 Henley Villas Croydon
father Joseph Stringer deceased trade General Labourer
Spouse Selina Stoner 46 widow same address Father Henry Longley Formerly Cowman
thank you all for all the hard work and effort we can trace back for certain a little more now
Regards
George
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Thanks for the update George :)
Happy hunting!!
JJ