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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: abyrne on Tuesday 19 February 19 18:03 GMT (UK)
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I have the death record for Bernard Dolan, died March 16, 1880 New York County, New York. He died Bellview Hospital after a fall on the sidewalk. His address at tome of deat was 239 Avenue B. He was listed as Married not widowed. So his wife was alive at that point. But she was not living with children at 239 Ave B three months later on the 1880 census.
Bernard was born in Ireland. Place of burial Calvary. Coroner John Brady. Inquest pending 342397.
I am trying to find any additional information such as obituary and/or grave site info. I know his children’s names, and wife was Mary nee Brenan. His father was Thomas I don’t know his mother’s name.
Any help would be most appreciated.
Kind regards,
Anne
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So are you looking for what happened to Mary? Since a lot of the family is at that address in 1880, including Mary's mother, if I have the family right.
Could it be that the information on Bernard's death record is incorrect, e.g, they asked his son "Was he married?" which got a "yes" answer? Otherwise Mary died in that 3 month period and should be findable. Probably buried in the same cemetery. I don't know how cooperative the cemetery will be for providing information.
She didn't go far, if her mother and children are at the same address.
If this is the family in 1870
NYC, 5th Election District, 13th ward
Bernard, 45, clerk in a store
Mary 42
Mary 19, dress maker
Kate 18, dress maker
Anne 17, unreadable maker
Thomas 15, errand boy
Lizzy 11
Margaret 9
John 4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8F3-BYZ
Then this is probably part of the family in 1880:
NYC
239 Avenue B
[click back a page to get the street address for the Dolan family]
Thomas 23, head, wood carver
Anne, 24, sister, tailoress
Elizabeth, 21, sister, keeping house
Margaret 19 sister, tailorerss
John 14, brother, rworks in a store (fancy goods)
Eliza Brennen, 80, grandmother, born in Ireland, no occupation. disability column: sick from a beating
all born in Ireland except John, born in NY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ62-4VR
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Is this Thomas' death?
27 September 1888, in Manhattan, parents Bernard and Mary Dolan, age 30, single, a merchant, buried 29 September 1888 in NYC
didn't give the name of the cemetery.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W8V-R2D
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here are three possibilities, assuming the marital status on Bernard's record is incorrect:
Mary Dolan, d 18 Feb 1880, Manhattan, age 54, a laundress, married, born in Ireland, buried 20 February 1880
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJX-FXH
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Mary Dolan, d 7 April 1877, Manhattan, age 47, had been in US for 12 years, married, housekeeper, born in Ireland, parents also, buried 9 April 1877 Calvary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WSY-CCL
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Mary Dolan, d 26 October 1872, Manhattan, age 45, married, native of Ireland, buried 28 October 1872, Calvary, parents born in Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJ6-93N
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Bernard is on the mortality schedule of the 1880 census, and he is listed as married, so that would seem to support the idea that Mary was alive after his death. I didn't see any likely matches for Mary on there.
Considering that some of her children were adults and able to care for the younger ones as of 1880, maybe she went away to care for a sick relative or was away in a hospital herself.
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Maybe she was working to support the family. Here are two possibilities:
1880 Census, Manhattan, East 56th St
June 12, 1880
household of James Bryan, 40, compositor
Mary Dolan, servant, widowed, 45, born in Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZXS-JN7
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1880 Census, Manhattan, 102 East 39th St
June 2, 1880
household of Norton F Whiling/Whiting?, 35, occupation: editor
Mary Dolan, servant, widowed, 45, born in Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ68-512
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I wonder if it is the same Mary Dolan. I don't know what a compositor does, but it sounds like the publishing business. Maybe they knew each other and she worked for both families. And this wouldn't be the first time I've seen a person enumerated twice in one census.
But it could easily be two separate Marys. There were a lot of Mary Dolans, born 1835-1845 in Ireland, in NYC.
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Thank you for your replies.
Thomas H Dolan the eldest brother and a wood carver died 21 Jul 1934. He never married and still lived together in Brooklyn with some of his sisters and his brother John Bernard’s family. He, sisters Margaret and Anne and John are buried in the same grave in St John's cemetery.
I actually thought it curious that Their mother Mary was not living with them in 1880 3 months after the death of her husband when their grandmother was. I don’t know what became of the 2 older sisters Mary and Kate after the 1870 census, married, domestics, died ? I can't locate them.
The NYC 5th election district is them in 1870. The mortality schedule 1880 is the correct Bernard as is confirmed by the death record address matching the address of Thomas and his siblings on the 1880 Census. Bernard was a shoemaker. But the death record does not show spouses name only that he was married. Widow and single are struck through leaving married as his status. He was listed as married on both the death record and the 1880 mortality schedule. So That would seem to support the idea that his wife was still alive March 1880.
I was hoping if I could find a death notice/obit it might have more info. I am trying not only to find Mary, but to trace the family back.
I know Bernard’s Father’s s name was Thomas. I do not know his mother’s name.
Does anyone know if there is a place where the people buried in Calvary cemetery are indexed? I know there are millions of people in that cemetery .
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Do you have a reliable birth date/year for Elizabeth while she was alive? The headstone says 1860 (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172447854/thomas-henry-dolan) but her death record says 1862.
For example, have you found her on the 1900 Census? If you have the brothers and sisters in 1900, could you post it here, with months and years of birth?
And nothing for Margaret after 1880, correct?
The reason I ask is there is a marriage record for a Bernard Dolan and Mary Brennan in Strokestown, Roscommon, 20 Jan 1849, and two baptisms: Elizabeth 12 June 1859 and Margaret 6 Jan 1861. -- so far so good, that would match them in 1870 and 1880, but there probably enough Dolans and Brennans in Ireland at the time that this couple in Roscommon could be someone else.
If Elizabeth's 1900 information says June 1859 or Margaret's, when you find it, says Dec 1860 or Jan 1861, then all the more likely this is them.
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On another note, have you looked for Mary (Brennan) Dolan's mother Elizabeth before 1880? or her death record? She might have been with her husband in NYC.
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re Calvary Cemetery, NYC, I seem to recall people saying it is difficult and or expensive to get information out of them. I might be wrong.
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here are the links to the church records I mentioned. I wasn't going to put them on here, so as not to get your hopes up, but just in case it is the right family.
Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898
Name: Bernardum Dolan
Spouse's Name: Mariam Brenan
Event Date: 20 Jan 1849
Event Place: Strokestown, Roscommon, Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFF-9GB
sponsors: Joanni Kearn and Anne Brennan
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633934#page/42/mode/1up
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Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Name: Elizabetham Dolan
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Jun 1859
Christening Place: ROMAN CATHOLIC, KILTRUSTAN, ROSCOMMON, IRELAND
Father's Name: Bernardi Dolan
Mother's Name: Mariae Brenan
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR4K-YMK
sponsors James Mulleny and ??
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633937#page/57/mode/1up
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Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
Name: Margarettam Dolan
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 06 Jan 1861
Christening Place: ROMAN CATHOLIC, KILTRUSTAN, ROSCOMMON, IRELAND
Father's Name: Bernardi Dolan
Mother's Name: Mariae Brenan
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR4K-YMR
sponsors George Lavender? and Catharine Boyd
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633937#page/97/mode/1up
Kiltrustan and Lissonuffy are variant names of Strokestown Parish
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There were later baptism registers for the parish, but I didn't see any more names that would match Bernard's children. The records are out of order, so I can't say what years I looked at. But I saw a totally different name on the register, then searched for it at familysearch and they had it. So they have evidently indexed the later records, but nothing at familysearch for any of the other names.
Still if Bernard was a shoemaker, he could have moved around more easily than a tenant farmer, and the later children could be registered in another parish.
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On the 1870 census when living with her parents and brothers Thomas &John B Elizabeth's age is 11 (so b 1859) 1880 census when living with brothers Thomas & John B age 21 (so also1859] After that same family but the dates for all the siblings jump around even when they don’t move.
It has been my experience that dates on census and death records are often incorrect. I know for a fact the date on my greatgrandmothers death record had her a number of years younger than she was.
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Forgot you asked for this
Not sure what death record you are referring to, but Elizabeth’s headstone says b 1860. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172447977
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Forgot you asked for this
Not sure what death record you are referring to, but Elizabeth’s headstone says b 1860. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172447977
New York City Municipal Deaths, 1795-1949
Name: Elizabeth P. Dolan
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 13 Mar 1948
Event Place: Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 85
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1862
Birthplace: NY, NY
Burial Date: 15 Mar 1948
Cemetery: St.John
Father's Name: Bernard Dolan
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Name: Mary Brennan
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W2K-Q6B
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Not sure who the source of that info was. Maybe her younger brother John or one of her nieces. Seems it is probably not accurate. Her nieces Bernadette , Regina and Ann Marie. They lived with her and their father, mother, uncle & aunts
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The 1900 census is so full of errors intentional or otherwise as to be almost useless. Lizzie wasn't younger than John. She wasn't born in the US. Maybe unlike her brother Thomas she didn't apply for citizenship and that was the reason.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSFB-P43
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Then maybe that baptism record in 1859 is for your Lizzie.
1862 didn't look right, based on the 1870 and 1880 censuses, but I wanted to see if you had anything else on her.
If you have a subscription to a site that has indexed the parish registers, you might be able to find the other children. Or if you keep an eye out, they sometimes have free weekends. Ancestry.co.uk just had a free weekend for Irish and British records a couple weeks ago. findmypast.ie has free weekends as well. Maybe someone will do the same for St. Patrick's Day.
I also looked at Griffith's valuation for a Bernard Dolan in Roscommon who was renting a house but no land, figuring that a shoemaker might do things that way. But all the ones I found were renting land. So no help there. He is probably one of the men on the list, and farmed some land besides being a shoemaker.
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I had gone through the baptism records on RootsIreland a while back. I had seen the one for Lizzie and thought it was probably correct. They also had Margaret’s baptism 1861.
Their sister Margaret was still with them in 1880, 19 years by then. But by 1892 she wasn’t. If she married it is a very common name. So I wasn’t able to find her. Many Margaret Dolan marriages in Brooklyn then. But only indexed on family search with no mention of parents.
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(https://www.rootschat.com/forum/blob:https://www.rootschat.com/fe66e89b-3630-4fbd-8697-31030db9c59a)
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For Bernard Dolan: Found gravesite info : first calvary, section 8, range 31, plot AA, grave 3