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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: westernwombat on Tuesday 26 February 19 11:25 GMT (UK)
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I think I have this correct, but perhaps someone can verify some of my gaps or point out mis-steps?
Harry Podd, Private in the 7th Hussars , Service record 4582
The Boer War information I have is from www.angloboerwar.com and the free information from the site www.forces-war-records.co.uk/
I had a suggestion that a Harry Podd born in Suffolk in 1878 - for whom no records of death or marriage could be located, and family information was that he served in the Boer War - matched the information above.
This suggested individual was the son of William Podd, who was born in 1851, and Sarah Forsdike, born 1854, and all three were born in Suffolk.
So I had Harry Podd - born Sep 1878 in Tuddenham St Martin, Suffolk and died in 1902 after the Boer War in South Africa.
If it is to be true that these match, he had 18 siblings; his father married Sarah Forsdike and he had 2 siblings who both died in infancy (Laura, William); his mother Sarah died in 1880 and his father William remarried to Ada Girling (b. 1864) and she had 15 children between 1883 and 1905. Sarah's husband William died in 1914.
I would expect some newspaper reports, but as far as I know he was unmarried.
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There was a Private Harry Podd of the right age in the 7th Hussars at Aldershot in 1901 per the census. He was born at Tuddenham.
He is on the South Africa medal roll but there is nothing on the medal roll to suggest that he had died.
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Forgive me if you have been round this buoy already but, as there is another H Podd in the Anglo Boer War records this one from the Suffolk Regiment who died 21 Jun 1900, what was it that made you land on the Hussar H Podd rather than the other?
MaxD
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MaxD - yes, Harry Podd with service record 2707 is one that I have confirmed, with help from RootsChat (but also elsewhere) as a different part of the Podd families in Suffolk (and elsewhere).
It was known that the currently-sought Harry Podd was in the Hussars.
FindMyPast does show this Boer War soldier in a South African (deaths) list -
Podd H
(event) 1899-1902
(Record set) British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
(Location) South Africa
[Edit} Or maybe not, conceivably the other (# 2707) - I don't have further access to that record.
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The one on the 1899-1902 army deaths index is the one who was in the Suffolk Regiment.
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Got it, hadn't seen earlier searches.
MaxD
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As far as I can see, and as already pointed out, only one H Podd was actually a casualty in the Boer War and that was the one in the Suffolk Regiment.
Harry the Hussar just seems to vanish after the Boer War - perhaps he was discharged in South Africa and stayed there.
Annette
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Yes, I think Annette may be right about that. Though he may have been killed and not reported? I don't know if that would have occurred; military records would list him as missing and not accounted for if that were the case, I think.
I don't have access to online UK newspaper notices, which I would expect to have been in Suffolk papers in 1901/1902.
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Hi,
I am in NSW, Australia, and perhaps westernwombat is too, as wombat suggests this to me, plus Westernwombat is currently online as I write and the current time is about 1/4 past 11 o'clock in the morning.
So, in case westernwombat is based in Australia, I share that Australians can access online UK newspapers via the e-resources pages readily available on their reader cards via the National Library of Australia, and often also via their state public library or even via their local council public library, ....
.... I don't have access to online UK newspaper notices, which I would expect to have been in Suffolk papers in 1901/1902.
Fingers crossed this is helpful
ADD, detailed info on the 7th Hussars and the Boer War, and their return to UK in Nov 1905 ... https://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishcavalry/7thhussars.htm
JM
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THE WAR IN SOUTH AFRICA .
The Standard (London, England),
Saturday, November 17, 1900
DEATHS FROM DISEASE
ETC
ETC
Suffolk Regiment - 2707 Privat H Podd [enteric] Johannesburg June 21.
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Podd H 4582 Private QSA (5).
Source: QSA medal rolls 7th (The Queen's Own) Hussars
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Podd H 2707 Private 1st Battalion
Demise: Died of disease 21 Jun 1900
Place: Johannesburg
Source: In Memoriam by S Watt Suffolk Regiment
Podd H 2707 Private Died of disease. Johannesburg, 21 June 1900
1st Battalion. MI
Source: South African Field Force Casualty Roll Suffolk Regiment
https://www.angloboerwar.com/name-search
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Yes, I have seen these and other PODD at the angloboerwar website (and other such sites).
I know a lot about #2707 - in fact, see a similar topic that I asked about him, this same part of RootsChat forum, within the last week. I know a lot about his family.
This Harry Podd is the #4582, and I know little except what has been posted above.
However, I do need to get access to and search the UK papers from my library and / or genealogy group - not in the UK.
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There are no clues in the newspapers as far as I can see.
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#9 post on here is the only newspaper article i can find, there may be more but i couldnt see any.
If you are in Australia you can apply for a Library card which will give you access to the UK newspapers online. Your card number is your "user ID" to access online.
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/
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The only thing I can see in the British Newspapers for Suffolk is a "Harry Podd" aged 13 being accused of selling stolen tools in 1894.
And, presumably the same "Harry Podd" whose father lived in Great Whip Street, Ipswich (guessing here) falling in the river being fished out by watermen.
You can read both these articles for free (you get 3 free pages) by registering at https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
I do this from NZ
Can't see a mention of his death (would 1 of 18 children from a combined family make to the papers everytime?)
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#9 post on here is the only newspaper article i can find, there may be more but i couldnt see any.
If you are in Australia you can apply for a Library card which will give you access to the UK newspapers online. Your card number is your "user ID" to access online.
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/
i have already mentioned the Library Card option :D ;D here's a list of those newspapers :)
https://www.nla.gov.au/app/eresources/browse/149
Hi,
I am in NSW, Australia, and perhaps westernwombat is too, as wombat suggests this to me, plus Westernwombat is currently online as I write and the current time is about 1/4 past 11 o'clock in the morning.
So, in case westernwombat is based in Australia, I share that Australians can access online UK newspapers via the e-resources pages readily available on their reader cards via the National Library of Australia, and often also via their state public library or even via their local council public library, ....
.... I don't have access to online UK newspaper notices, which I would expect to have been in Suffolk papers in 1901/1902.
Fingers crossed this is helpful
ADD, detailed info on the 7th Hussars and the Boer War, and their return to UK in Nov 1905 ... https://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishcavalry/7thhussars.htm
JM[/size]
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A library card is only one option
Registering at the https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk gives instant access for 3 free articles
Posting as a helpful aid to the original poster, that is all.
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A possible scenario is that Harry Podd returns to UK with the 7th Hussars in 1905 leaving the army and remaining in Suffolk perhaps leaving the army in about 1912. That would add up with a man joining on a very common 12 year engagement just before/during the Boer War (he did not go to S Africa until after the 1901 census). (Dates here are a bit loose).
Then we have 1533 Lance Corporal Harry Podd, a member of 1/4th Suffolk Regiment, joining that Territorial Force (TF) unit in Suffolk in January 1913, going to France with them on 8 November 1914 and being discharged wounded on 30 August 1916. Previous service contributing to his appointment as Lance Corporal. His different unit means he has a different service number.
Proof - none. Clues - only the likely service path of a man of his age who leaves the army but joins the TF to continue soldiering part time while plying his civilian trade and the fact that as far as I can tell, where a forename is given, he is the only H Podd that is consistently Harry in the records.
May be worth concentrating on the mid 1916 time frame for his re-appearance in UK?
Feel, free to ignore it all :)
MaxD
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A possible scenario is that Harry Podd returns to UK with the 7th Hussars in 1905 leaving the army and remaining in Suffolk perhaps leaving the army in about 1912. That would add up with a man joining on a very common 12 year engagement just before/during the Boer War (he did not go to S Africa until after the 1901 census). (Dates here are a bit loose).
Then we have 1533 Lance Corporal Harry Podd, a member of 1/4th Suffolk Regiment, joining that Territorial Force (TF) unit in Suffolk in January 1913, going to France with them on 8 November 1914 and being discharged wounded on 30 August 1916. Previous service contributing to his appointment as Lance Corporal. His different unit means he has a different service number.
Proof - none. Clues - only the likely service path of a man of his age who leaves the army but joins the TF to continue soldiering part time while plying his civilian trade and the fact that as far as I can tell, where a forename is given, he is the only H Podd that is consistently Harry in the records.
May be worth concentrating on the mid 1916 time frame for his re-appearance in UK?
Feel, free to ignore it all :)
MaxD
MaxD - Now that is a very plausible scenario. Many thanks.
Tangentially: I had exhausted South Africa (but not other british colonies in Africa at that time) and found a very few Podds there over many decades from 1900. Interestingly, having lived and had children born in the Cape Colonies, they returned to UK and even to their native Suffolk. For those individuals I know their extensive family linkages. Not "Harry".
To others: yes, thanks to all for suggestions about access to UK newspapers.
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May I just gently mention that westernwombat has a current thread on the Australia board with a Harry PODD whose formal name was Horace Ernest PODD ...
Breavement announcement for Mrs Harry PODD, of Bolgart district (in Western Australia)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/148635884 Toodyay Herald 6 July 1945
in part ‘We extend our sympathy to Mr. Harry Podd and family in the bereavement of wife and mother’
That current Australian thread is here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763867.0
So perhaps the chap who served in the Boer War may have volunteered in one of the Australian units .... The National Archives of Australia's Boer War files are incomplete.
NAA Boer War records are incomplete. http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs67.aspx
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https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/atwar/boer
JM