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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Penninah on Tuesday 26 February 19 13:46 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I would really appreciate a lookup. I'm trying to find Robert Carey born Ireland c1765? I know from his sons baptism records that he was at that time (1804) in the 3rd Royal Garrison Battalion in Jersey.
Thanks
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Is this him on TNA website?
Royal Hospital, Chelsea: Discharge Documents of Pensioners
Robert Keary alias Robert Carrey; Robet Carey; Robert Carry
Born Obelix, Leix ???
served in...(includes) 3rd Royal Veteran Battalion...
Discharged aged 58 after 36 years 2 months of service
Date 1774-1810
WO 121/173/199
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9090532
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Quite possibly yes! I don’t know anything about him other than what I wrote before and that he married an Ann, no idea where or when and that they had a son, James, born in January 1804 in Jersey.
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Hi
Is transcribed as Currey and Curry elsewhere.
Place of birth does look Obelix near Murrowbough or Marrowbourgh or something like that. Queens County.
While I ponder that, someone who resembles him in WO 116, Royal Hospital, Chelsea: Disability and Royal Artillery Out-Pensions, Admission Books
Free to view with the image viewer - image 282 of 285 (third from bottom)
14 June 1802
Robt Kerry
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C613486
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Thank you! Interesting.. I believe it says Maryborough, Queens
Obelix is Abbeyleix, County Laois and very close to Maryborough.
Can you read what that says first? why he was there? I think it says 'worn out'. He was in the regiment of Major Francis William Cashell, I see he became Lt Col Cashell in 1811 (10th Regiment of foot) I am assuming Robert was no longer fit to serve his regiment so was sent to the 3rd Royal Garrison/Veteran Btn This must be the right Robert!?
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The gist of WO 121
His Majesty's 3d Royal Veteran Battalion
Robert Cairey(?) private in Alex Munn's Company
born in parish of Obelix nr Murrowbough in county of Queens
enlisted at nineteen years
served in said Battalion 7 years 182 days
lame and worn out (rendered unfit and discharged)
description - about 58 years of age
5' 10"
Browne hair
Grey eyes
Dark complexion
trade Labourer
Service
4th Horse - 29 Apl 74 to 28 Apl 90
21st Foot - 29 Apl 90 to 28 Apl 96
59 Foot - 29 Apl 96 to 28 Apl 98
Invalids - 29 Apl 98 to 24 Dec 02
3 RV Battn - 25 Dec 02 to 24 June 10
All as private, total 36 years 57 days
Then in next column seems to say Total Service 39 years 57 days
included seems to be 6 years in East or West Indies
And this was dated 24 June 1810, at Jersey.
He has signed as Robert Carey, noting that 6 months clothing due?
John
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Can you read what that says first? why he was there? I think it says 'worn out'.
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Yes, it says worn out (better on full screen!)
Is it him? You would need a military expert, I think, to advise. I am most definitely not that!
There might be a couple of years age difference? Years service is possibly about right, your man was in the Invalids then.
TNA has him as Robert Keary, so where had that come from? On WO 121 it could be Carrey or Cairey (I changed my mind!) Signature for sure is "Robt Carey"
John
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Thank you so much for all your help.
I think it is my man, too much of a coincidence to be in the 3rd Vets Btn? I think that Carey/Keary/Kerry could just be down to how his name was heard? All the names sounds alike, he would have had a nice Irish accent I should imagine too. I found one document just now for regimental registers of pensioners and underneath his birthplace was noted 4 years W. Indies.
On the Baptism it says: James son of Robert Carey of the Third Royal Garrison Battalion and of Ann his wife was baptised on the fifteenth day of January one thousand eight hundred and four. Sponsors- James McNarnee/Namee? -Robert Carey- Elizabeth McNarnee/Namee
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It does seem likely to be the same chap, that was my initial reaction. But I'm always cautious!
Looks like there might then be a few records around, with Robert's surname perhaps being spelt in different ways.
But who is Robert Carey the sponsor?
John
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Hello,
I didn't really think about that before but good question, could Sponsor Robert Carey be an older son? Robert Carey would have been 50 when James was born and Ann about 39. I have Ann on the 1841 near Southampton with James and his family. I have done a little research on his regiments and it looks like he went to the West Indies in 1890 with the 21st and transferred to the 59th whilst there before returning in late 97 invalided. It sounds like disease was rife over there. Would his family have gone with him or would they have stayed in the UK, any ideas? I need to try and find births of siblings to James somehow, there most likely were more children i'd have thought.
Thank you John
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I'm trying to find Robert Carey born Ireland c1765? I know from his sons baptism records that he was at that time (1804) in the 3rd Royal Garrison Battalion in Jersey.
Are you reconsidering his approximate birth year?
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I have done a little research on his regiments and it looks like he went to the West Indies in 1890 with the 21st and transferred to the 59th whilst there before returning in late 97 invalided. It sounds like disease was rife over there. Would his family have gone with him or would they have stayed in the UK, any ideas?
"A Soldier's Family in the British Army during the War of 1812"
www.warof1812.ca/family.htm
I took from a quick read that it depended on where the regiment was bound. Soldiers were discouraged from taking children to West Indies.
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Hi,
Yes, I am reconsidering his birth year as I was going by the age of his wife until I knew otherwise.
I'm sure that this is him. He dies in Southampton in 1820.
I would have been surprised given the amount of disease in the West Indies at this time if families had been encouraged to accompany soldiers, especially just a private. It's a long time to be away though. I wonder if he and Ann had children before his 1790 posting to St Vincent. I only have my James in 1804 to this couple.
Thanks for the link ;)
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FamilySearch has the burial of a Robert Cary, 20 Dec 1820, Southampton
Age 67
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGQ2-V5V9
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Thanks John,
I am sure thats him, age fits and it is in the St Michaels parish which is where James and Ann were living on the 41.
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I've found the Keary reference! It's on the previous image, from a slip of paper.
Which says
Robert Keary, Private, embarked 10 October
1793, and was Effective in the West Indies
with 21st and 59th Regiments to 1797, when he
was sent to England.
Muster Master Generals Office
29 June 1810
Tho Butts(?)
Sorry I missed that
John
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OK, another WO 121 record, ties tings up
By Major William Cashell commanding the Garrison of
Berwick Upon Tweed (etc.)
gist again, not a long document
Robert Kerrey - Private Soldier, having been ordered by the Commissioners of Chelsea General Fox to the Independent Company of Invalids, commanded by Major Cashells
the 11th Day of October 1797 after being discharged for 24 Years Service in the 59th Regiment
of Foot then commanded by Col? Genl Lindsay
goes on to say that he had served in the above company for 5 years
received clothing/pay to 24 May 1802
and dated/signed that day at Berwick, Wm Cashell, Major
signature of Robt Keary
On the reverse it says
Robt Kerry
aged 48
served 4 (may be a half there) + 24 (in) others
Worn out...
Maryborough
Queens Co
a Labourer
Will study it further later, see if I have made any errors
John
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TNA description of the above here
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8888746
Robert Kerrey alias Robert Keary; Robert Kerry
Born Maryborough, Leix
Served in 59th Foot Regiment; Berwick Invalids
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And that reminds me of something of something I saw last night on FamilySearch, but didn't have reason to pursue
Two baptisms at Berwick
Margaret Cary in 1798
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGRB-6PX6
Ann Cary in 1800
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP72-NPJN
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As we can guess from Ann's details, Berwick was using the Barrington registers, giving extra info
We can see the BT's here
Margaret, 13 May
two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8967-PQVC?i=221&cat=1827339
Ann, 27 July
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G967-PQNT?i=249&cat=1827339
Sure it says Carey on the BT for Ann :-\
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Wow this is fantastic thank you again!!
It won't let me view the two images you posted last. This all fits in beautifully though and I now have Ann's maiden name. I see daughter Ann died in 1802 in Berwick. So the invalids were garrisoned in Berwick before Jersey?
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Yes, you are right, Ann died 28 May 1802, from smallpox. Which is sad.
Margaret was Robert + Ann's second daughter, so that's there's at least one more we don't know about (if she survived)
And as they didn't have a son in Berwick, we are left not knowing if James born Jersey was the first or not.
My knowledge of the British Army is extremely limited, I gather there was a permanent station of Invalid company or companies in Berwick at the time. Were invalid companies then replaced by the veteran battalions, hence Robert going to Jersey?
John
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I’ve learnt a lot the last two days! I didn’t realize that those enlisting before 1806 were for life! I guess Robert became too broken and worn out in the end and they discharged him in 1810. I think I’d speculate that he became ill during his time in the West Indies and never quite recovered. If he had other children then it would have to have been before 1793/4 when he left for the Indies and so not Berwick. I’m curious as to where he was between leaving the 4th in 1790 and joining the 21st abroad in 1793. From joining the 4th in 1774 to 1790 he was stationed around Ireland so my guess would be as Ann was Irish that they married there and probably had children in Ireland? I have no Idea who this other Robert could be, I’ve found him on the 1841 I think in St Helier, Jersey aged 60 born England.
https://archive.org/details/cihm_48387/page/n61 This is interesting, the 4th were stationed in Maryborough in 1772-1775 so Robert joined up whilst they were garrisoned in his hometown. They moved about a bit!
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Yes it seems Robert joined the 4th around the time they were in Maryborough. Why does TNA say 7th?
I'd agree that Ireland is the most likely place of marriage for Robert and Ann. But that could make finding it very difficult, if not impossible, unless you get lucky some day. But at least now you have Ann's maiden name, thanks to Shute Barrington!
John
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Hi,
Because the 4th Horse because the 7th Dragoon guards, I think in 1788.
I might as well give up on a marriage, I tried once before.. I can't believe how bad Irish records are.
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I might as well give up on a marriage, I tried once before.. I can't believe how bad Irish records are.
You're probably right, although at least you now have the benefit of knowing Ann's maiden name.
She might not have been Irish.
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The only lead I have with Ann is the 1841 where she is down as Irish. The fact that John found there was an older daughter to this couple before Margaret in 1798 means the older girl must have been born before Robert went to the West Indies. As far as I can tell he was in Ireland up until this point and didn't return from the West Indies until late 1797. There are a few baptisms that could be Ann Campbell at the right time in Ireland.