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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Katyapple on Friday 01 March 19 20:02 GMT (UK)
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Hello!
Can anyone tell me if there are passenger lists from Ireland into Liverpool in the 1840's?
I am trying to trace a Thomas Brannon b. 1808 and his wife Betsy (possibly Elizabeth) who travelled to Liverpool between 1847 and 1852.
They had three children with them Mary, Michael and Thomas.
The family settled in Runcorn, Cheshire but I would really like to find out where they originally came from in Ireland.
Hope someone can help this novice out.
Thanks!
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They didn't keep passenger lists as it was all the UK, no different than travelling from Scotland to Wales and so on.
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I am trying to trace a Thomas Brannon b. 1808 and his wife Betsy (possibly Elizabeth) who travelled to Liverpool between 1847 and 1852.
Can you not find them on 1851 census in England?
Have you tried phonetic search and variations on spelling of surname? Might be Brennan(d) for instance on some records.
Did they put just Ireland as origin on later census? Were any relatives with them for census?
Were the children all born in Ireland? Have you followed each one through life to see if they gave any clues?
Do you know Elizabeth's surname?
How do you know they travelled via Liverpool? There were several ports on the west coast.
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1851 2164/370/42
Thomas Brannon 37 yrs
Betsy Brannon 30 yrs
Mary Brannon 12 yrs
Michael Brannon 9 yrs
Thomas Brannon 4 yrs
All b Ireland
There are others in the household b Mayo so that could be a clue.
1861 2597/97/2
Thomas Brannon 53 yrs widowed
Eliza Brannon 9 yrs b Runcorn
Cathrine Brannon 8 yrs b Runcorn
Births
1849 James Brannon mmn Lyons
1852 Eliza Brannon mmn Lloyd
1854 Catherine Brennon mmn Loins
I can’t see a death for Eliza - do you have it?
What about the older children - did they survive?
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There is this marriage but it is not that positive - bottom of right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632289#page/20/mode/1up
Thomas Brennan and Elizabeth Linnen January 1837
Unfortunately Baptism records do not begin until 1851 for that parish.
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Thank you so much for responses everyone.
I had read they only kept passenger lists for ships to the US but thank you Sinnan! :D
Maiden Stone I do have the census records from the time the family settled in Runcorn, although can't find a death record for Thomas Brannon Sr only his son Thomas. Have started to search through records for the children and hope there will be a clue. :)
Thank you Heywood for the extra info, the marriage surnames are really useful. I did notice the lodgers and thought there could be a connection so that will be on my list of 'to do'.
The marriage record seems a possibility, Betsy (Elizabeth) was quite a bit younger than Thomas so it does fit. :D
Thank you all for your help!
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Heywood I meant to add that Elizabeth Brannon died between the birth of her last daughter and 1861, possibly in childbirth.
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That’s what I thought but I can’t see a death.
There is a death for Thomas Brennen 66 yrs in 1866.
Cheshire BMD site shows some deaths which may be your family.
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Yes I think I will have accept that the name could be spelled differently, possibly a mistake by the person recording the death.
I think I will have to ask a few more questions of the older family members and see if they can remember any counties in Ireland mentioned in conversation.
I have done a little reading on the surname Brannon and it appears it mainly appeared in Donegal, Roscommon and a couple of other areas.
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If you use Ancestry or Find My Past, those sites have indexes to Catholic Registers Ireland.
The marriage I posted was from Castlemore and Kilcolman Parish (Ballaghaderreen). You can just search the registers but it is more difficult.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0119
It is on the border of Mayo/Roscommon.
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There is this marriage but it is not that positive - bottom of right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632289#page/20/mode/1up
Thomas Brennan and Elizabeth Linnen January 1837
That's an outside possibility imo. I don't see Linnen becoming Lyons. More likely Lennon or Linehan.
Some Irish FH websites show surname variations.
There's also one on which you can do a search for parishes where a pair of surnames occurred.
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I do what Heywood suggests reply #9, using free search, then look up possibles in registers on National Library of Ireland site.
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If you use Ancestry or Find My Past, those sites have indexes to Catholic Registers Ireland.
The marriage I posted was from Castlemore and Kilcolman Parish (Ballaghaderreen). You can just search the registers but it is more difficult.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0119
It is on the border of Mayo/Roscommon.
Thank you! I will certainly take your advice although haven't had much luck on Ancestry yet. I have PM'd you too.
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I do what Heywood suggests reply #9, using free search, then look up possibles in registers on National Library of Ireland site.
Thank you I will do as suggested. I agree with your comment on the Linnen, Lyons etc. :)
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There is this marriage but it is not that positive - bottom of right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632289#page/20/mode/1up
Thomas Brennan and Elizabeth Linnen January 1837
That's an outside possibility imo. I don't see Linnen becoming Lyons. More likely Lennon or Linehan.
Some Irish FH websites show surname variations.
There's also one on which you can do a search for parishes where a pair of surnames occurred.
Can I ask the name of the site that has pairs of surnames?
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Can I ask the name of the site that has pairs of surnames?
https://www.swilson.info/index.php
It's also useful for registration districts, finding parishes and looking up names of places and other stuff.
Irish Ancestors Wizard
htttps://www.johngrenham.com
Surname variations; shows surnames by: county in Griffiths Valuation (1847-1864); births 1864-1913; baptisms; Lyons surname history. It's a common, widespread surname. Use the Wizard section to enter a surname, first name, date and other known information.
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I wasn’t too sure re the name, as I said, but the writing isn't that good to be fair :)
The difficulty is that the records you seek are Parish records and not all those have survived and you need the County and Parish :-\
The name Brannon could also possibly be Brennan/Brannen etc depending on interpretation of the person recording it.
Local Church records may be useful with Godparents names etc who might be relatives or friends from the same area at home.
There are quite a few Brannon variations in Runcorn you might want to look at too to see if there are any connections.
Which of Thomas and Elizabeth’s children is your ancestor?
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I wasn’t too sure re the name, as I said, but the writing isn't that good to be fair :)
The difficulty is that the records you seek are Parish records and not all those have survived and you need the County and Parish :-\
The name Brannon could also possibly be Brennan/Brannen etc depending on interpretation of the person recording it.
Local Church records may be useful with Godparents names etc who might be relatives or friends from the same area at home.
There are quite a few Brannon variations in Runcorn you might want to look at too to see if there are any connections.
“Which of Thomas and Elizabeth’s children is your ancestor?”
Elizabeth Brannon b. 1852 d. 1906 born in Runcorn, Cheshire.
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Do you have her birth record?
The indexes show mmn as Lloyd which may be a misreading/misunderstanding of Lyons on the original.
Her baptism might show more detail - St Edward’s seems to be the local church.