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I am trying to find a marriage between John Bolton & Elizabeth Unknown which based on the first baptism I have found would be 1770-1775.
The first baptism is in Manningtree in 1775.
Elizabeth died in 1832 with a declared age of 84 giving a birth c1746, I have not found a burial for JB.
There are no matching records in Boyd's Marriage Index for either County and the only possible record is on Family Search in Feb 1772 at Kersey between JB & Elizabeth Jessup which is 10 miles NW of Manningtree.
A EJ was baptised in Hadleigh in Nov 1745, parents names are not used for her 4 children.
My knowledge on resources for these counties is limited and I would appreciate any thoughts as to whether this is good candidate and if there are any other areas I should explore.
many thanks
Edward
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The Essex Marriage Index 1754-1851, originally compiled by Jack Baxter is now run by Rita Harris - £1 for an initial enquiry, 50p for each extra one made at the same time - bargain :D Discounts given for blanket searches on a surname too.
https://sites.google.com/site/ritaharrisgenealogy/baxter-s-indexes-essec (https://sites.google.com/site/ritaharrisgenealogy/baxter-s-indexes-essec)
The Suffolk Family History Society has compiled a marriage index, complete for 1754-1837, 1650-1753 still in progress - it is available on CDs, but at least some of it (possibly all of it) is also on findmypast - current parish coverage here:
https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/files/Web_Parishes_Deaneries_sorted_by_Parish_on_CD_Nov_2018.pdf (https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/files/Web_Parishes_Deaneries_sorted_by_Parish_on_CD_Nov_2018.pdf)
https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/index.php/information/publications (https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/index.php/information/publications)
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/suffolk-marriage-index (https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/suffolk-marriage-index)
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Thanks, jobs for tomorrow
Edward
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I have now heard back from Rita Kennedy who cannot find a suitable marriage in Essex, so it looks like the Kersey one is correct.
Edward
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I have found that around this time 1770-1790 and before, a lot of my Essex lot originated in Suffolk and moved to North Essex or South East Essex. I only went to the RO in Lowestoft a few weeks ago as I could have looked at the Kersey one for you, get the ever vital names of the witnesses. If I go again in the next month I can have a look for you, unless someone else may be visiting in the meantime and may offer a lookup.
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Coombs, many thanks for your very kind offer
Edward
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Hadleigh is just down the road from Kersey (well the next parish along to be honest) so the 1745 baptism of Elizabeth Jessup seems promising. May be a good idea to trace any siblings to see if anyone else with the surname Bolton or Jessup wed in the Manningtree area.
Seems the south mid Suffolk area did have lots of migration to Essex, speaking from experience with my ancestors.
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That is the next job, just sorting out place names into the correct format for A******y, only 400 or so left :'(
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Elizabeth died in 1832 with a declared age of 84 giving a birth c1746, I have not found a burial for JB.
Elizabeth buried 30 May 1830 ;D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLF-791?i=1606&cat=514284
Is there any known later Bolton connection to Chelsworth?
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Elizabeth died in 1832 with a declared age of 84 giving a birth c1746, I have not found a burial for JB.
Elizabeth buried 30 May 1830 ;D
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLF-791?i=1606&cat=514284
Is there any known later Bolton connection to Chelsworth?
Thanks, fat fingers again :)
James Cuthbert married Elizabeth Bolton in Manningtree, however he was born in Chelsworth. I don't have any Bolton connections to Chelsworth yet.
I have just sent you a PM.
Edward
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This is part of a PM sent to me last night by Jon
"I was just fishing around in the Essex records on FamilySearch (I don't have SEAX) and came across the Manningtree overseers accounts. I haven't looked at much, there are entries for - I think it says - Wd Bolton, and I've got back to 1826 and Chelsworth is written.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS2K-LVH?i=2220&cat=599681"
The Chelsworth note ceases in late 1827 but she continues to have relief until the early part of 1830 which ties in with her burial in May. She must have been back in Manningtree by then.
I cannot see her any earlier than the the 1826 link above.
I think this means that she was receiving Manningtree Parish poor relief but living in Chelwsorth, however I assume that she must have been 'of Manningtree' originally.
Thoughts please.
Edward
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Having cleared a brick wall with the parents of Elizabeth Bolton, I though a quick summary may help and it also shows those who assisted where I am now.
Elizabeth Bolton m James Curhbert Apr 1796 in Manningtree, 11 (1797-1817)children born in Manningtree (3), Great Bromley (1), back to Manningtree (3), Little Bromley (4).
James is not an issue, I have him back another 5 generations.
Elizabeth bapt Manningtree Apr 1775 d of John Bolton & Elizabeth Jessup m Feb 1772 in Kersey, Suffolk. There is not a matching marriage in Essex and this is the only one found that does.
3 other children Robert bapt 1779 buried 1780, William bapt 1779 & Mary bapt 1786. The big gap makes me wonder of they were somewhere else for a few years.
Elizabeth (the mother) buried Manningtree May 1830 and the poor records show her as being a widow from 1826. 1826 & 1827 she is'of Manningtree'
The parents of Elizabeth Jessup bapt 1745 in Hadleigh, Suffolk were Thomas Jessup & Ellen
I cannot find:-
a baptism for John
a burial for John Bolton
marriages or deaths for William and Mary
marriage for TJ & Ellen
any other Jessup children
Any help or thoughts would be really appreciated
thanks
Edward
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It is frustrating when you have likely candidates but cannot link them. I have checked and cannot seem to find a Elizabeth Jessup baptism in Manningtree. Although the poor law records say she was "of Manningtree" may mean she lived there a long while, and not necessarily born there. I think she must have been born in Suffolk, especially if she lived in Chelsworth for some time in her final years.
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Hi
In the Manningtree settlement records
Have you got
1805
James Cuthbert (Chelsworth)
Handy index and summary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS22-KNL?i=229&cat=599681
But the thing itself (if this is the right one!) seems to be impossible to read
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS22-KJ7?i=255&cat=599681
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It is frustrating when you have likely candidates but cannot link them. I have checked and cannot seem to find a Elizabeth Jessup baptism in Manningtree. Although the poor law records say she was "of Manningtree" may mean she lived there a long while, and not necessarily born there. I think she must have been born in Suffolk, especially if she lived in Chelsworth for some time in her final years.
Thanks
She was Elizabeth Bolton (nee Jessup) when in Manningtree, bapt in Hadleigh (Suffolk), married in Kersey
Edwrad
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Jon, thanks. I have had a go at enhancing them but the quality is quite poor to start with.
The summary mentions 4 children Elizabeth, Mary, Sarah & James who were all born in Manningtree. There is another brother Joseph who, based on census, could have been born anywhere between 1802-1808 in Great Bromley. I think this document shows that he was born after this examination so now 1805-1808
Edward
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There's Joseph + Hannah, bap 11 September 1808, Manningtree, on FreeReg.
Manningtree BT for 1808-09, the last before 1813, and I'm afraid that it is another faded image, but we can see them!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLF-QPF?i=1393&cat=514284
FreeReg then has Thomas baptized in 1810.
John
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Thanks, that's right, the next 4 were all bapt in Little Bromley 1811-1817
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Sorry, I think you knew that!
Got just a little thing here...
The Manningtree overseers rate books, unfortunately some are damaged. The first good one after them starts with the rate made on 24 June 1811
Pond Street with Hill
And in the list there it seems to say Freeman Worts late Bolton
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS2K-29K?i=891&cat=599681
Now, going back to the previous, damaged, book - item 7 on the film, 1805-11, and looking for a readable page...
We have, Pond Street with Hill
Can see some of the names from the later book, in order, John Long, Thomas Hunt, etc
And there is John Bolton
followed by Benjamin Lucas, as per Worts late Bolton in 1811
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YS2K-KBY?i=797&cat=599681
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I am reading this as John Bolton was living there but no it is Freeman Worts (who appears to be a real person)
Shame so much of this is damaged.
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Yes, Bolton was living there at some date prior to 1811 and presumably was the previous occupier.
Actually the next two at least say Freeman Worts/ late Bolton Empty.
But the Boltons couldn't have been gone very long before 1811? Could they (presuming John was alive if there is no burial in Manningtree) have gone off with, or followed, James + Elizabeth?
I notice that Little Bromley was giving mother's maiden names on baptisms! As per the Amelia Cuthbert baptism in 1811. There is one Bolton baptism indexed there, which was in 1810, can't find anything on the parents (just in case they might be connected!)