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My hunt for my great grandmother Elizabeth Anthony born in 1847 at Tyrberllan, Llanegwad has come to a dead end. Can anyone help? The latest info we have is she was on the Wales, Llanegwad census in 1901 living in Tynewydd but in the census for 1911, we had to look for her son Jacob Anthony, (illegitimate), she was on the front page of the census but not counted in it. Jacob was marked as son but no-one else was on it. It seems that the Numerator had written her name on the front but maybe she was not there. If she was there she should have been the head. No specific-to-her death certificate, only 6 that are between 1901 and 1928 but do not match, no local church records of her burial. We have her son's burial / grave and her parents', Thomas Anthony and mother Margaret Anthony (nee Ambrose). We thought she would be buried with / near them but we can't find any proof. Her parents grave stone is partly covered by another but appears to be older. I can make out the parents' inscription, Elizabeth isn't on it as far as we can see, also not recorded in Llanegwad church records. No husband to trace. On Jacob's marriage certificate it shows John Anthony, deceased, as his father which could be true or not as there is no father on his birth certificate. There may have have been a cover-up at the time of his birth. No bastardy bonds / orders found for Jacob either. Can anyone help?
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When was her son Jacob born? Was he old enough to be by himself in 1911. I would page back and forward just to check she hasn't been listed there.
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Jacob was born in 1881. Tracked his movements up to 1911. Just befor his birth Elizabeth went home to Tynewydd, Llanegwad, her parents home, to have the baby and to look after her sick mother that died that year.
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Is this them in 1891, as she is claiming a lot younger than her actual age?
Living at Llanegwad, Cefn Hernin, Carmarthenshire
Piece: 4510 Folio: 82 Page Number: 5
Elizabeth Anthony 37 Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jacob Anthony 9
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In 1881 she is with her parents - birthyear 1847
1901 - it's 1851
Deaths June qtr 1925
Anthony Elizabeth 80 Llandilofawr 11a 1243
Deaths Sep 1928
Anthony Elizabeth 80 Llandilofawr 11a 974
Difficult to understand exactly what you mean about the 1911 - did you actually find her listed?
The 1911 has another Elizabeth Anthony aged 67 b Llanegwad. I suspect the 1928 death is your Elizabeth
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngo/
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Difficult to understand exactly what you mean about the 1911 - did you actually find her listed?
Hi Carole, I think what arwela is saying is that on the 1911 census form Jacob Anthony is the only person listed (son, single), however if you scroll forward one page to the schedule it is addressed to Mrs. E. Anthony.
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Which simply means she wasn't at home on census night,
Debra :)
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In 1881 Elizabeth is with her parents...and there is also a grandson-Thomas Evans , born in 1874 at Llanegwad.
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Could this be the Elizabeth you are seeking?
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djm297:
Reply 4 from CaroleW
'The 1911 has another Elizabeth Anthony aged 67 b Llanegwad. '
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Whoops...missed that comment...but how do we know for sure that it is a different Elizabeth?
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both of them exist in previous censuses.
One is single, the other is married.
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Is this them in 1891, as she is claiming a lot younger than her actual age?
Living at Llanegwad, Cefn Hernin, Carmarthenshire
Piece: 4510 Folio: 82 Page Number: 5
Elizabeth Anthony 37 Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jacob Anthony 9
Yes, this is them.
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Is this them in 1891, as she is claiming a lot younger than her actual age?
Living at Llanegwad, Cefn Hernin, Carmarthenshire
Piece: 4510 Folio: 82 Page Number: 5
Elizabeth Anthony 37 Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jacob Anthony 9
Yes, this is them. Elizabeth was an unmarried mother. She is definitely the one all the way from the 1851 census.
I went to the local council office records and when looked for her there were 6 possibilities. My choice until then was the 1928 death. I emailed Carmarthenshire archives and they could not pinpoint which of the 6 was her. I may have to buy the 28 death certificate to see what it shows. But I could end up buying all of them and still unsure which one if any is hers. Her age jumps around with every census but I read on ancestry that people rounded thei age off which was odd.
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We've had instances in the past of people appearing twice on a census- once at their home address and once at the address they were actually at on census night. It is possible that if she wasn't at home on census night she was correctly missed from her home address but not added to the address she was actually at.
Alternatively, some women deliberately did not include their details on the 1911 census in protest although if that had been the case it would have made more sense to ensure the enumerator knew she was refusing rather than simply to mention nothing.
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In 1881 she is with her parents - birthyear 1847
1901 - it's 1851
Deaths June qtr 1925
Anthony Elizabeth 80 Llandilofawr 11a 1243
Deaths Sep 1928
Anthony Elizabeth 80 Llandilofawr 11a 974
Difficult to understand exactly what you mean about the 1911 - did you actually find her listed?
The 1911 has another Elizabeth Anthony aged 67 b Llanegwad. I suspect the 1928 death is your Elizabeth
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngo/
Elizabeth cannot be found in the 1911 census using her name. She can only be found using her son Jacob's name. You'll see Jacob in the census alone and Elizabeth's name written on the front page by the numerator. Looks like she wasn't there.
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My great grandfather appears twice on a census. One entry at his home address on the Wirral, head of household with wife and family. The second census entry records him staying at Hawkstone Park Hotel in Shropshire. This was not somewhere he could have afforded. Looking at the list of guests, his employer was staying there. He was their coachman. So either he or his wife filled in the form in advance. It happens. Particularly were one, or both parties might find reading and/or writing a problem.
Regards
Kathb
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In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad
both of them exist in previous censuses.
I cannot see this Elizabeth and Thomas in previous censuses. Do you have a reference?
Debra :)
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In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad
both of them exist in previous censuses.
I cannot see this Elizabeth and Thomas in previous censuses. Do you have a reference?
Debra :)
Elizabeth Anthony and her parents Thomas and Margaret can be found in the 1851 census and her later in the 61/71/81/91/01 censuses at Llanegwad Carmarthenshire. Her homes were Tyrberllan (birth home), New house then Tynewydd. She was also found working on a farm.
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I am talking about the person who is said to be a 'different Elizabeth', with her son Thomas in 1911. I cannot see them earlier to identify them as being a different family to your Elizabeth.
Debra :)
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I am talking about the person who is said to be a 'different Elizabeth', with her son Thomas in 1911. I cannot see them earlier to identify them as being a different family to your Elizabeth.
Debra :)
Thomas was Elizabeth's father. I have sourced Elizabeth's birth certificate which shows both parents. Found their grave in local churchyard.
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Elizabeth's son was Jacob born 1881. She was unmarried.
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I am talking about the person who is said to be a 'different Elizabeth', with her son Thomas in 1911. I cannot see them earlier to identify them as being a different family to your Elizabeth.
Debra :)
The wrong Elizabeth Anthony is married to John a farmer on the 1901 census,born Kidwelly in 1852.
They are in Llandefeilog in 1911.
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I think they are different as Elizabeth didn't have a son called Thomas. I did come across some other Anthonys but none matched what I was looking for. I don't remember a Thomas as a son to an Elizabeth. There was an Anthony family at Danycapel in Llanegwad but the father and son were called John.
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As we know the area we think John Anthony was Jacob's father. Not on the birth certificate as he was married to Anne. He shows up as Jacob's father later when deceased!
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My ancestry account has run out. If you have an account try searching backwards from 1901. Try Llanfynydd as it's close by to Llanegwad.
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And Llandeilofawr.
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Elizabeth ANTHONY aged 67 born Llanegwad and her son Thomas aged 36 born Llanegwad are on the 1911 census. Where are they before 1911.
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Elizabeth's son was Jacob born 1881. She was unmarried.
Do you know the name of the property they lived in?
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Elizabeth ANTHONY aged 67 born Llanegwad and her son Thomas aged 36 born Llanegwad are on the 1911 census. Where are they before 1911.
Llanegwad is the parish, there are many homes and farms, any idea which one?
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Elizabeth's son was Jacob born 1881. She was unmarried.
Do you know the name of the property they lived in?
Event Place: Llandybie, Banktwrgwili Pengroes, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Llandybie appears to be in the Llanegwad parish. I don't know where Banktwrgwili Pengroes is.
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Elizabeth's son was Jacob born 1881. She was unmarried.
Do you know the name of the property they lived in?
Event Place: Llandybie, Banktwrgwili Pengroes, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Llandybie appears to be in the Llanegwad parish. I don't know where Banktwrgwili Pengroes is.
Which is in Llandeilofawr area.
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Elizabeth's son was Jacob born 1881. She was unmarried.
Do you know the name of the property they lived in?
Event Place: Llandybie, Banktwrgwili Pengroes, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Llandybie appears to be in the Llanegwad parish. I don't know where Banktwrgwili Pengroes is.
Which is in Llandeilofawr area.
Thomas is shown as a quarryman. Lime Firms was a quarry just outside Llandybie.
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Elizabeth's son was Jacob born 1881. She was unmarried.
Do you know the name of the property they lived in?
Event Place: Llandybie, Banktwrgwili Pengroes, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Llandybie appears to be in the Llanegwad parish. I don't know where Banktwrgwili Pengroes is.
Which is in Llandeilofawr area.
Thomas is shown as a quarryman. Lime Firms was a quarry just outside Llandybie.
If you already haven't you can get a 14 day free trial on ancestry.co.uk. I think you'll find her there as I remember seeing an Elizabethh born 1844. May be the one you're looking for.
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I am not asking about Elizabeth's father.
These people, where are they on earlier census records if it isn't your Elizabeth?
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow) with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad and his wife and baby daughter. Elizabeth's place of birth given as Llanegwad in 1844.
Elizabeth's son was Jacob born 1881. She was unmarried.
Do you know the name of the property they lived in?
Event Place: Llandybie, Banktwrgwili Pengroes, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Llandybie appears to be in the Llanegwad parish. I don't know where Banktwrgwili Pengroes is.
Which is in Llandeilofawr area.
Thomas is shown as a quarryman. Lime Firms was a quarry just outside Llandybie.
If you already haven't you can get a 14 day free trial on ancestry.co.uk. I think you'll find her there as I remember seeing an Elizabethh born 1844. May be the one you're looking for.
ps, you need to start a new thread.
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arwela, you don't need to start a new thread,just click on REPLY and do not use the quote button,as it is making each reply miles too long to read.
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Dundee,
'I cannot see this Elizabeth and Thomas in previous censuses. Do you have a reference?
Debra :)'
Sorry, I was convinced I did have, (not for every year), now, cannot place.
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I found I had to make written notes to keep track as easy to get muddled.
My ancestry.co.uk account has run out so can't point you to anything really.
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there is one aged 17 in 1861 census for Carmarthenshire
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let me work through to see if this helps
marriage 16 Aug 1842 in Llanegwad parish church for
Thomas Anthony, full age, farmer's servant, Tycoch, father Evan, labourer and
Margaret Ambrose, full age, seamstress, Pantyblodau, father David, carpenter
baptism 31 jan 1848 in Llanegwad for Elizabeth daughter of Thomas, labourer, & Margaret Anthony of Tirberllan
1851 census Tyrberllan HO107/2471 folio 177 pg 4
Thomas Anthony head mar 31 labourer
Margaret wife 31
Anne dau 8
Eliza dau 3
David son 2 monthall born Llanegwad
1861 census New House RG9/4129 folio 86 pg 5
Thomas Anthony head mar 41
Margaret wife 39
Liza dau 11
John son 7
David son 5
Jane dau 12 months
all born Llanegwad. The David from the 1851 census was buried 1 Nov 1854 aged 4
1871 Tynewyd RG10/5485 folio 53 pg 15 (this is New House, name a version of new House in Welsh)
Thomas Anthony head mar 50
Margaret wife 49 milliner
Isaac son 6
1881 Tynewyd RG11/5389 folio 97 pg 1
Thomas head mar 64 ag lab
Margaret wife 64 dressmaker b. Llanfynydd
Elizabeth dau 34 general servant
John son 27 tailor
Thomas Evans grandson 7
Ann Ambrose sister-in-law 66 hosier b. Llanfynydd
others born Llanegwad
Who is the Thomas Evans grandson? Is he not the Thomas baptised 18 Jan 1876 in Llanegwad, son of Elizabeth Anthony, Tynewydd, single woman? He's certainly not the son of sister Anne as she died in 1865, buried aged 22 30 March 1865.
birth reg Tom Anthony sept qtr 1874 Llandilofawr vol 11a pg 821 no maiden name given
1891 census Tynewydd RG1/4510 folio 82 pg 5
Elizabeth Anthony head unm 37 washing woman
Jacob son 9
1891 Thomas Anthony 17 is a farm servant at Glansannan, Llanfynydd RG12/4509 folio 23 pg 2
1901 Tom Anthony 26 coal worker above ground b. Llanegwad in Llandebie RG13/5108 folio 34 pg 9
1911 shows Elizabeth as widow but a little fib
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7N1-DH9
There is another Elizabeth Anthony in Llanegwad, wife of John, but they do not have a son called Thomas. So the one in 1911 with son Thomas is your Elizabeth.
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You seem to be an expert at this ancestry search. Are you saying Jacob had a brother Thomas from a different father?
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Elizabeth had another child. His birth registered as Tom Anthony, baptised as Thomas. Baptisms in Llanegwad can be accessed via FindMypast. His father must have been an Evans, hence the surname on the 1881 census. Jacob may have had the same father. I wouldn't put too much faith in what it says on his marriage cert, that may have been an invention.
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Jane, younger sister of Elizabeth, married Aaron Walters, a widower, march qtr 1895 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1113. 1901 census ref RG13/5088 folio 30 pg 7.
Birth reg for son Anthony Walters march qtr 1896 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1032 mmn Anthony
death reg for Jane Walters 45 dec qtr 1905 Llanelly vol 11a pg 572
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I think you're right about Thomas Evans.
This is what I think.
He was born in Tynewydd under head of the house Thomas Anthony who knew the father was an Evans. In the next census, Thomas had, died aged 75 in 1889, Elizabeth changed it to Anthony. Thomas and Jacob didn't appear to live together. This is why Jacob was alone in the 1911 census, Elizabeth had gone to live with Thomas as we have heard that Jacob had a bad temper! All this seems to fit in. All we need now is to find her grave which is why we have been on this ancestry quest in the first place.
Thanks for your help, much appreciated. If you do come up with anything about Elizabeth drop us a line.
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the census is just a snapshot so Elizabeth may just have been visiting her son, there was a young grandchild in the household.
Jacob in the police court - bottom of page under 'The Drink'
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3644146/3644147/5/
and winning a prize in a hedging competition
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3678154/3678162/113/
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Is there a name for this young grandchild?
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In 1911 Census , Thomas is married to to Hannah , and their 5 month old baby is called Gwladys. He is a stone quarry man , and they are living at Llandybie, Carmarthenshire.
djm297
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if you open up the link from FamilySearch that I posted, you'll find a transcription of the 1911 census entry.
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Thanks, had a look and someone is investigating the Llandybie area. There are 2 Anthonys in the big grave yard but not the ones we're looking for.
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Do you have any more details of the street he lived in in Llandybie?
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there is no street name given, just the house name in Pen y groes.
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Found the house on an old map, although it's not there now. Maybe this area will give us a clue to the church or chapel she attended. Not in Llandybie church, just checked.
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Thomas Anthony turns out to be Elizabeth's first illegitimate son born before Jacob. No-one never knew she had 2 illegitimate children. It appears to be quite common back then.
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We've been to Aberystwyth Library to look at records but none of the family show up enough to find death dates nor anything of value. That's Elizabeth, Thomas (Tom), Hannah and Gwladys. Hoping to find at least one of them which will point to where Elizabeth is.
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I`ve just read all 6 pages of this and I can`t remember if you`ve seen the LLangenwad graveyard or not ! All the gravestones there have been transcribed and you could find more infromation here.
https://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/eventslist.php?branch=Carmarthen
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Been there and asked the vicar to search records. Found her parents Thomas and Margaret in the old graveyard a few weeks ago, died 1881 and 1889. Her son Jacob is in the newer graveyard, died 1951. No sign of Elizabeth. It appears she moved to Banktwrgwili in Penygroes near Llandybie, with another son we only recently discovered. Been to see death register in Llandybie church, no Anthonys buried there.
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Been there and asked the vicar to search records. Not in the records. We had already found her parents Thomas and Margaret in the old graveyard a few weeks ago, died 1881 and 1889. Her son Jacob is in the newer graveyard, died 1951. No sign of Elizabeth. It appears she moved to Banktwrgwili in Penygroes near Llandybie, with another son we only recently discovered. Been to see death register in Llandybie church, no Anthonys buried there.
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We have come across some info telling us that Elizabeth married in 1930 a Leo M Bland. Can anyone verify this? Leo would be 40 and Elizabeth over 80. Marriage of convenience maybe?
Bland Leo M Anthony Llandilofawr 11a 2652
Leo lived in Banktwrgwili with Thomas Anthony, Elizabeth's son in the 1939 register.
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Thomas’ daughter was Elizabeth Gladys Anthony - more likely to be her.
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Where did you get that info? I only have her name as Gwladys Anthony from the 1911 census. Haven't seen her with the first name Elizabeth anywhere.
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Thomas’ daughter was Elizabeth Gladys Anthony - more likely to be her.
Using Free BMD you can see that the name of the person he married was Elizabeth G Anthony.
Click on the blue number and you will get the names of all those on that page in the marriage register.
She died just a little while later....
Deaths Jun 1937
Bland Elizabeth G age 26 Carmarthen 11a 1170
They also had a male child in 1932 (can't name him as he may well still be alive)
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I had previously looked for her birth whilst trying to find deaths etc.
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Any idea where Gladys died? We are trying to trace her gran Elizabeth, may all be buried in same place.
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She died just a little while later....
Deaths Jun 1937
Bland Elizabeth G age 26 Carmarthen 11a 1170
She was registered in Carmarthen a fairly large area, you'd need to purchase the death cert to find out the exact place where she died,either a hospital or at home perhaps.
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Thanks for all your help. :)
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This is the list of places covered by the Carmarthen registration district.
Quite a few !!! 8)
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/carmarthen.html
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Yes, seen that. It's a minefield.
I think we are closing in on her as her last movement was Penygroes, will have to search the churchyards first as she was a churchgoer at Llanegwad's church. Failing that it will be chapels.
Somehow I don't think they would walk a great distance to church, a couple of miles at most. Unless someone knows different. ☺
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No specific-to-her death certificate, only 6 that are between 1901 and 1928 but do not match, no local church records of her burial.
Is she definitely not one of these?
Elizabeth Anthony 80 yrs September 1928 Llandilofawr
Elizabeth Anthony 80 yrs June 1925 Llandilofawr
I see now that Carole has posted these in reply #4
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The 1925 Elizabeth Anthony’s probate gives her address as Glanamman, Llandilofawr and probate granted to David Morgan, tinplate worker.
This seems to leave the 1928 death.
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Her date of birth is 25-08-1847, lived at Banktwrgwili, Penygroes, Carmarthenshire in 1911 is the latest info I have, was not on the 1939 register, death certificate may show Leo M Bland, Thomas Anthony, Hannah Anthony. My best guess is 1928.
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Her date of birth is 25-08-1847, lived at Banktwrgwili, Penygroes, Carmarthenshire in 1911 is the latest info I have, was not on the 1939 register, death certificate may show Leo M Bland, Thomas Anthony, Hannah Anthony. My best guess is 1928.
We already know all that info,it has been found for you previously on this thread.
Heywood has proved that she isn't the 1925 death,so that only leaves the 1928 one.
Her death cert will only show one person,probably her husband,unless she died in hospital having been there for a while with an illness,in that case it might show a doctor or nurse as the informant.
You will probably have to splash out on a death cert (as we all have on occasions) to prove if that 1928 death is your great gran.
Carol
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No husband either as far as we know.
I know it shows widow in 1911 at Banktwrgwili but we think that's a lie as she had 2 illegitimate sons, she moved from Llanegwad to Penygroes where she probably told them that her husband had died as no-one knew her. Probably have to get the 1928 certificate.
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You will have to try the 1928 certificate and hope that it gives useful information.
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Which one of the online family tree sites would you recommend or do you need to use more than one?
I had a free 14 day trial with ancestry.co.uk which found things but I do not think I had total access.
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1928 is the correct one.
We've found Elizabeth's son Thomas' mother in law and his still-born daughter are buried together in a chapel yard on Penygroes square. No sign of Thomas nor Elizabeth.
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Jackpot. Elizabeth is there in an unmarked grave, one of about 10. Not in the chapel records. We don't know which one yet but hoping someone local has the record of it.
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Well done everyone who's contributed to this great result.
What are the details on the 1928 death certificate?
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It shows she died at home, Banctwrgwili, Penygroes, Llanelly with her son Thomas on 7th August 1928. 80 years old, spinster, certified by a Dr Clutterbuck.
Thanks to everyone.
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A good result :)
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By finding she had a second son, Thomas, it's given us a bit more work to finish it off! ;D
No-one ever knew she had another older son.
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I have had no result in trying to find details of Tom Anthony's burial place. We have contacted GRO and sent them the details: Deaths Dec 1947 Anthony Tom 73 Carmarthen 8a 246.
GRO have not replied as usually they reply with a confirmation email. Our local registry office have no records of him either. Anyone got any ideas? He was born 7th June 1874 in Ty Picca, Llanegwad, Llangathen, Llandeilofawr.
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He is a widow and living in Llandilo in 1939 if that helps narrow down a burial place
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Seems his estate went to probate, unfortunately administration rather than a will.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Search his name and year. It will give his date and place of death.
Administered by William Thomas Anthony, schoolmaster.
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He was a widower. We have got him in the 1939 regiister living in Penygroes near Llandybie with Leo M Bland but nothing after. I asked our local Registrar for the death certificate with Deaths Dec 1947
Anthony Tom 73 Carmarthen 8a 246 but they couldn't find him.
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Re 1939 register - Yes I didn’t read all the way through the thread to realise Leo Bland was Elizabeth’s widowed husband until after I posted it.
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Tom (or Thomas) Anthony's mother was Elizabeth and his daughter was Elizabeth Gladys (or Gwladys) that married Leo M Bland. These two widowed men lived together in Banctwrgwili in Penygroes near Llnadybie until at least 1939. We found the mother (Elizabeth's) grave in Penygroes. No sign of Tom in their burial register.
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He was a widower. We have got him in the 1939 regiister living in Penygroes near Llandybie with Leo M Bland but nothing after. I asked our local Registrar for the death certificate with Deaths Dec 1947
Anthony Tom 73 Carmarthen 8a 246 but they couldn't find him.
That ref number is only applicable to the GRO it will mean nothing to the local registrars office.
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We have come to a halt with Tom Anthony. He appears to have left Banctwrgwili some time after the 1939 census. Next place we find him is in Dolaugleision, Capel Isaac outside Llandeilo. He then gets married to an Annie (Anne) Morgans (Morgan) in 1943, 4 years before his death. The witness on his death certificate is A Anthony from Felinparcau. Freebmd and ancestry have no reasonable answers and no death date for Annie. We tried the Leo M Bland link but he left after 1939 to Caldey Island as a dairyman and died in St David's hospital in Carmarthen and unable to find his grave. We thought they may have gone together after 1939 but now appears they didn't.
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Well that was a journey and a half..
well done everyone
xin
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Not over yet! :)