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Title: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 03 March 19 19:54 GMT (UK)
Can anyone help read the following lines..

Scars: on ? ? on forehead
Schools attended: does is it say ragged schools?
Offence: stealing a ? ? ? whip
Before Whom:

2nd page - oct 27, ?



Thanks in advance :)
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 03 March 19 19:56 GMT (UK)
page 1
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 03 March 19 19:58 GMT (UK)
Scars on breast and cut on Forehead.
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 03 March 19 19:59 GMT (UK)
Yes, it does say 'ragged schools'.  Sounds as though the poor lad had a difficult life.
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 03 March 19 20:03 GMT (UK)
Yes, it does say 'ragged schools'.  Sounds as though the poor lad had a difficult life.

Did wonder what that meant but according to google means charity schools.. obviously family didnt have much!
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 03 March 19 20:03 GMT (UK)
It reads as though he stole a pair (pr) of blinders and a whip, but I'm wondering if he actually made off with blinkers and a whip.

Not sure of the names of the persons he appeared before.  One  looks rather like Luccock to me, but initials not easy to decipher.
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 03 March 19 20:04 GMT (UK)
I agree, it seems as though the poor lad was living on the breadline.
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 03 March 19 20:07 GMT (UK)
Poor lad!

Looking at the 2nd page it says at the top 'see journal & punishment book' and idea if i could find that online?
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 03 March 19 20:11 GMT (UK)
Poor little chap was only 13!  I do hope his life picked up after that.  Do you know what happened to him?  I don't know where you could find those records I'm afraid but I am sure someone will be looking at this thread who knows far more than I do, and who will be able to help.
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 03 March 19 20:24 GMT (UK)
Not a borstal - they weren't introduced until 1902. This 1865 record is from the Leeds Reformatory School.
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 03 March 19 20:37 GMT (UK)
That record of his punishments reminds me of my 1950s childhood.  Whilst we weren't subjected to birching, we were certainly caned frequently, or slapped viciously with a ruler on the back of the legs, or had chalk and/or blackboard rubbers thrown at us.  Reading the record you post, it looks appalling nowadays but not unusual well into the 20th century.  Not that I'm condoning it, I always thought it barbaric.
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 03 March 19 20:43 GMT (UK)
Second name looks like    Jos  Bateson   ( Joseph)
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 03 March 19 21:26 GMT (UK)
Sadly i havent been able to find him after he was admitted.. there are a few records of Edward Johnson from Leeds but im looking to confirm its him
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 03 March 19 21:27 GMT (UK)
Although there is one Edward Johnson who deserted the army!  :-\ not sure if its him or not as the record is on FOLD3 and i dont have a subscription for that  :'(
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 03 March 19 22:08 GMT (UK)
Yes, it does say 'ragged schools'.  Sounds as though the poor lad had a difficult life.

Did wonder what that meant but according to google means charity schools.. obviously family didnt have much!

Ragged Schools were, "intended to educate destitute children and save them from vagrancy and crime." They had been invented by John Pounds (1766-1839), a Portsmouth shoemaker, who, early in the 19th century, was moved with sympathy for these little outcasts and devoted himself to this good work. The ragged school movement found powerful support in active philanthropists when public attention was aroused to the prevalence of juvenile delinquency.
If you Google for John Pounds there is plenty of information, such as
http://www.infed.org/youthwork/ragged_schools.htm

Stan
Title: Re: Borstal Admittance Record
Post by: littlefacey on Monday 04 March 19 09:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you Stan!