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Title: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: cockney rebel on Monday 04 March 19 18:42 GMT (UK)
Hi there
I'm stuck again!
Although the entry is really quite legible, I am not sure what the name of the boy is
Entry 16
 Knut Waldemar Alfred...or Alphons?
Kurt?
Paul?
Any clarity on the matter very appreciated, the rest of the entry I can read.
Many thanks
Rebel
PS Sorry the image isn't too sharp, it's not in the original either and I had to downsize anyway.
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Erato on Monday 04 March 19 18:52 GMT (UK)
I see it as Paúl-Waldemar Alford.
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: cockney rebel on Monday 04 March 19 19:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your response.
Yes, I find Paul much more likely but Alford sounds like the name of  a butler !
The surname is PLATH.
Paul Plath?
I'm trying to clarify the name in order to research the chap further.
I can't find another reference to him anywhere
Sigh...
Cheers
Rebel
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: JJen on Monday 04 March 19 19:08 GMT (UK)
Could it be Alfreid rather than Alford?

JJ
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: cockney rebel on Monday 04 March 19 19:12 GMT (UK)
hi JJ
yes, I think ALfred more likely...or Alfons? Alphons?
The more I look at an entry the harder it becomes.
Either I "get it" straight away or go roundin circles for days and then redort to Rootschat help.
Community effort!
Rebel
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Erato on Monday 04 March 19 19:26 GMT (UK)
Not Alphons.  The terminal letter is just like the terminal 'd' in Gottfried, further down the page.
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: youngtug on Monday 04 March 19 20:50 GMT (UK)
Looks like Knut Waldemar [Alfred/Alford ] Pfath. I did wonder if it was Haut but the H/K is slightly different to a H that occurs on the page.
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Peonie on Monday 04 March 19 21:41 GMT (UK)
Paul Waldemar Alfred.

If you check Sütterlin you can see that he wrote some of the letters that way.

Regards Peonie

Added: should have said Kurrent Schrift.  Sütterlin came a bit later and mostly just changed the slanting of the letters.
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Karen McDonald on Tuesday 05 March 19 08:22 GMT (UK)
I'd go for Paul-Waldemar Alfred.

To begin with, I thought it might be Raul, but that would not have been typical for Germany at that time. (Which, I suppose, wouldn't rule it out completely, though...)

I also wondered about Saul.

The first letter is not the same as the "P" in the surname (Plath).
Having said that, it's not the same as the "R" in "Recklinghausen", either. Or "Reichwein" in entry 17, come to that.
And it certainly doesn't look like the "S" in e.g "Sophie" in entry 19.

So I'd go for Paul, with the scribe being slightly inconsistent with letter formation.
Heaven knows I'm one to talk, as far as THAT is concerned..!  ;D

Best regards,
Karen
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: cockney rebel on Tuesday 05 March 19 18:44 GMT (UK)
Karen, thankyou for your input.

I think Paul is the most logical answer although Saul didn't even occur to me but also possible.
I've tried checking the other entries and comparing the letters but our scribe here is simply not consistent!
The other 2 sons were named Carl and Max....somehow a Knut just wouldn't have fit in with that!
Thanks
Rebel
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: roopat on Tuesday 05 March 19 19:48 GMT (UK)
I'm not sure what it says but according to Wiki


"Knut is a Norwegian, Swedish, German & Dutch first name......"


I don't know why there would be an umlaut (the 2 dots) over the u but I've never seen it over the name Paul in German either.


Personally I think it could be either  ???
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Peonie on Wednesday 06 March 19 05:03 GMT (UK)
The 2 Little dots is actually a hook, to differentiate between the letter n and u which are the same in Kurrent/Sütterlin and also  a lazily written e.

Regards Peonie
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: roopat on Wednesday 06 March 19 08:35 GMT (UK)
The 2 Little dots is actually a hook, to differentiate between the letter n and u which are the same in Kurrent/Sütterlin and also  a lazily written e.

Regards Peonie


Thank you for explaining, Peonie, it was puzzling me  ::) :)


Pat
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 06 March 19 09:39 GMT (UK)
My first thought was Knut.     Final name looks like Alford to me.

Wiggy
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 06 March 19 10:21 GMT (UK)
I've enlarged it and I see it as:

Knut Waldamer Alfrad

It's not Paul as the first letter is very different from the P in Peter ( add - and Plath)

Gadget


Added - after another search through the page, I'm not sure that the f in Alfrad is an f - could it be a p? There is a loop on the down stroke of the other fs.
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: Peonie on Wednesday 06 March 19 12:06 GMT (UK)

All over the pages the letters were mixed. I have enclosed a site where you can check and see it is Paul. Everybody adds their own characteristics to forming the letters. I do, specially with "s", it can be different in one word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurrent

Regards Peonie
Title: Re: German Handwriting: would you really name your kid Knut Waldemar ?
Post by: carinthiangirl on Tuesday 26 March 19 12:36 GMT (UK)
Please ALL - believe Peonie. ;)
It is Paul-Waldemar Alfred!
And I say too.  ;D
We learned that writing at school.