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Title: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 13:50 GMT (UK)
Here is another one for you. Would welcome any ideas on which building this might be. I have been given a box of photos, documents and a family tree that was donated and am piecing things together before finding a Family on Ancestry for their return.
Thanks for Looking.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Skoosh on Wednesday 06 March 19 13:51 GMT (UK)
Colditz?  or somewhere in the Baltic. ;D

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 06 March 19 13:52 GMT (UK)
A hospital, or a barracks?
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 13:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks for joining in Skoosh and Mike with your thoughts....both are worthy of consideration  ;)
Somewhere on the coast I think by the look of the background.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 06 March 19 14:31 GMT (UK)
It reminds me of the barracks in Berwick upon Tweed. 

But having just looked at a current photo probably not  :-[
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Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 14:34 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your Input Millie, its much appreciated, I do think it looks like it is on the coast.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 06 March 19 15:34 GMT (UK)
I wonder if the 2 pentagrams above the door is significant.

Malky
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Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 15:47 GMT (UK)
That could be a clue Malky...thanks for that.
Carol
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Post by: ainslie on Wednesday 06 March 19 16:05 GMT (UK)
A boarding house at a public school, or an Oxbridge college?
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Post by: ChrissieL on Wednesday 06 March 19 16:09 GMT (UK)
I wonder if the 2 pentagrams above the door is significant.

Malky

Could there perhaps be a Jewish connection?

Chris
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 16:13 GMT (UK)
Ainslie that was a good suggestion...places associated with this family are Eton College, King's College, Cambridge, The House of the Sacred Mission, and The Grange, St. Anne's, Eastbourne but can't make any of them fit ::)
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 16:14 GMT (UK)
I wonder if the 2 pentagrams above the door is significant.

Malky

Could there perhaps be a Jewish connection?

Chris

I'm not sure at the moment but will bear it in mind...thanks for looking and your suggestion.

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Trishanne on Wednesday 06 March 19 16:42 GMT (UK)
Interesting tracks in courtyard, looks like horse and carriage. Can anybody make out what the darker area is on the left of photo, leading from the steps towards the building at the bottom of the photo?
Pat
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Post by: Creasegirl on Wednesday 06 March 19 16:52 GMT (UK)
Yes I wondered if dark area barbells or some sort of platform.  Maybe a French building also unusual chimney on front building
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 16:57 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your observations Pat and Creasegirl and thanks for looking...here is a high res crop but not sure it helps.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Kay99 on Wednesday 06 March 19 17:11 GMT (UK)
I wondered they were a newly planted or pruned double row of shrubs and the darker area around was newly dug soil??   :-\

Kay
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 17:16 GMT (UK)
It does look like greenery to create a barrier from the courtyard doesn't it Kay.
Carol
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Post by: Old Bristolian on Wednesday 06 March 19 17:21 GMT (UK)
And the trees on the right of the building look newly-planted too. I assume the photo was taken soon after the completion of the building - it has an emlty look about it. Possibly a new school or institution connected to one of the names you mention? It obviously has a high tower from where the photo wa taken
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Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 06 March 19 17:25 GMT (UK)
The Star of David or Magen David is six pointed.
A Seminary perhaps?Nunnery?
The lines are surely bushes in a plain stark flower bed.
.
Viktoria.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 06 March 19 17:38 GMT (UK)
And the trees on the right of the building look newly-planted too. I assume the photo was taken soon after the completion of the building - it has an emlty look about it. Possibly a new school or institution connected to one of the names you mention? It obviously has a high tower from where the photo wa taken

It looks like a brand new building to me, dead straight rooflines, clean tiles, no sign of wear and tear, and newly planted landscaping in the courtyard.

You can see the shadow of either chimneys or mock turrets on the tower from which the photo was taken.
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Post by: Trishanne on Wednesday 06 March 19 17:45 GMT (UK)
Creasegirl mentioned the unusual chimney at the front of the photo, but have you noticed how few chimneys there are, if you compare with Victorian buildings built in the UK. Could this mean it is somewhere where it is a lot warmer?
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Post by: Ray T on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:08 GMT (UK)
Doesn’t look like th UK to me. I think we need to consider where the photo was taken from - clearly some sort of tower - and the courtyard looks strange. For starters, its not flat. Look at its relationshop to the ground fllor windows those on the left are lower down than those on the right. The somewhat haphazard ruts suggest to me that there might have been some some sort of flood.
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Post by: josey on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:09 GMT (UK)
Creasegirl mentioned the unusual chimney at the front of the photo,
Is it a belltower?
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:10 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all your excellent observations...I never thought about it being a new building but quite likely...unless it had improvements made. The photo is only about 3 by 2 inches.
Thanks for your responses its much appreciated.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:15 GMT (UK)
I agree with Mike that it looks very much like a brand-new building. The tracks in the courtyard gave me the feeling that it wasn't turfed over - just bare ground.

Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:15 GMT (UK)
Creasegirl mentioned the unusual chimney at the front of the photo, but have you noticed how few chimneys there are, if you compare with Victorian buildings built in the UK. Could this mean it is somewhere where it is a lot warmer?

I never noticed Pat but it's a good point.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:54 GMT (UK)
At the time of the 1911 census the head of household was a surgeon living in Richmond. Could it be a hospital?
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:54 GMT (UK)
I agree with Mike that it looks very much like a brand-new building. The tracks in the courtyard gave me the feeling that it wasn't turfed over - just bare ground.

Yes that is a good observation.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Creasegirl on Wednesday 06 March 19 18:57 GMT (UK)
I wondered if maybe the building wth chimneys was a church as might burn incense or something so maybe a belltower behind it
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: arthurk on Wednesday 06 March 19 19:39 GMT (UK)
A few fairly random thoughts, partly picking up on some of what's already been said:

I wonder if the large chimney(s) in the foreground, and the lack of them elsewhere, might indicate a newish building which had a boiler house and central heating from the outset. I don't really go with a warmer location, as the architecture looks more northern European to me.

There appear to have been carriages swinging round in the courtyard (and are the dark splodges horse droppings?), but the doorway in the corner isn't particularly grand, given the size of the building. Might this be the tradesmen's entrance, with a grand public one somewhere else?

Note the lamp post (electric?) in the bottom RH corner.

I agree with the earlier observation about a possible coastal location (sand dunes top right?), but since coasts can be windy, then the trees have been planted either very recently or in a well-sheltered position.

Sometimes brickwork has a regional character to it. Can anything useful be made out here?
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: ChrissieL on Wednesday 06 March 19 21:43 GMT (UK)
I think the chimneys on the building in the foreground look a bit like wind towers that catch the breeze and direct it down into the building for ventilation. I agree that it may well be the back entrance with a courtyard, rather than a grander front entrance to the building
Chris
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 06 March 19 21:46 GMT (UK)


I wonder if the large chimney(s) in the foreground, and the lack of them elsewhere, might indicate a newish building which had a boiler house and central heating from the outset. I don't really go with a warmer location, as the architecture looks more northern European to me.

That's what it looks like to me, a boiler house chimney.  It seems to have a large cable looping up to it, you can see its shadow as well as the cable itself.  And yes, northern European.
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Post by: Malcolm33 on Wednesday 06 March 19 22:13 GMT (UK)
   I had a weird sensation at the very first glance that it was a Prison, and the watch towers to look down on prisoners walking in a circle - just like we see in the movie Papillon.

   The attic windows though don't fit with that idea. .... unless quarters for the guards?

    Then when seeing the Zoomed in shot, it was almost as if they had placed the executed upright like lines of scarecrows as a warning to those prisoners being allowed exercise.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Whipby on Wednesday 06 March 19 22:13 GMT (UK)
Could it be a workhouse?
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Whipby on Wednesday 06 March 19 22:15 GMT (UK)
   I had a weird sensation at the very first glance that it was a Prison, and the watch towers to look down on prisoners walking in a circle - just like we see in the movie Papillon.

I had exactly the same thought. But no bars on the windows, so that's when I wondered workhouse.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 06 March 19 22:52 GMT (UK)
If that's a prison yard, it seems to be missing a wall! 

As for the executed prisoners, are they strapped to the newly planted shrubs? As a sort of grim garden feature?

Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 23:02 GMT (UK)
Some really interesting ideas and comments coming through and I thank you all for taking the time to respond. It is very much appreciated. I have a feeling that this one won't be solved but you never know. This forms part a family history where, the head of the house was a surgeon, a son was a sub lieutenant and one who was educated at Eton and Cambridge, so the prison/workhouse theory, whilst interesting, would seem to be at odds with their social standing, but one can never tell.
Carol
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Post by: scotmum on Wednesday 06 March 19 23:10 GMT (UK)
Is there something written top right? Thought I could see a heart shape and words perhaps 'Miss'...

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Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 06 March 19 23:14 GMT (UK)
I agree that the dark area is tilled soil with two rows of plants, but it seems strange to plant them there in front of the lower floor windows which would cut out all of the light, and planting them to block access to the stairs is odd, though the photo could be foreshortened somewhat and only give that impression.

There is a note on the door.

I also think this is the rear view of the building. Northern hemisphere. It looks cold.  :)
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 06 March 19 23:20 GMT (UK)
Is there something written top right? Thought I could see a heart shape and wordz perhaps 'Miss'...

I though it was just a mark on the photo but you could be right. Thanks for that, maybe it would be worth a closer look.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 07 March 19 07:35 GMT (UK)
On reflection it aint Colditz which appears to be harled, still think it's in the south Baltic though. Denmark to East Prussia?

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: a-l on Thursday 07 March 19 08:44 GMT (UK)
Is the building at the back part of it or a separate building ?
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Post by: ChrissieL on Thursday 07 March 19 09:29 GMT (UK)
Given that the building looks as if it is by the coast and the son was a sub lieutenant, could this be a naval college? I

 I noticed the ground floor windows have curtains but the upper floor windows look bare.
Chris
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: a-l on Thursday 07 March 19 09:35 GMT (UK)
I wonder if the two stars are connected to Masonry.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 10:03 GMT (UK)
Some good ideas coming through, thanks for your interest. The naval aspect could certainly come into play. Not sure if the roof of the building in the foreground is a separate building with the photo being taken from an elevated position. The front elevation appears to face the sea and there is a road to the right that leads to the front. I would look for further clues in the documents.
Thanks so much for helping with this one, I really appreciate all your opinions.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Thursday 07 March 19 11:39 GMT (UK)
I think it may be Mürwik Naval School (Marineschule Mürwik) in Germany. 

Looking at images, the windows and the designs around the upper windows look the same - I haven't found the exact angle yet though
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 11:47 GMT (UK)
Glad you were able to join the party Jool  ;D That's really interesting, it's on the coast too....thanks so much for taking the time to look, great find  :D

From Wiki:

It is located at Mürwik which is a part of Germany's northernmost city, Flensburg. Built on a small hill directly by the coast, it overlooks the Flensburg Fjord.

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 11:49 GMT (UK)
I think you're right! You clever thing!
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Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 07 March 19 11:50 GMT (UK)
I think it may be Mürwik Naval School (Marineschule Mürwik) in Germany. 

Looking at images, the windows and the designs around the upper windows look the same - I haven't found the exact angle yet though

It certainly looks like it (even down to the slop of the ground as mentioned early in this thread). How on earth did you work that out?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nhf/
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 11:51 GMT (UK)
Skoosh had it right on the nail!

On reflection it aint Colditz which appears to be harled, still think it's in the south Baltic though. Denmark to East Prussia?
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Post by: ChrissieL on Thursday 07 March 19 11:53 GMT (UK)
I think you're spot on!  The brickwork is the same with those cream bricks inset into the red brick and the Windows are the same too. Well done!  I wonder how the family was connected to a German Naval College

Chris
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Thursday 07 March 19 11:54 GMT (UK)
I think it may be Mürwik Naval School (Marineschule Mürwik) in Germany. 

Looking at images, the windows and the designs around the upper windows look the same - I haven't found the exact angle yet though

It certainly looks like it. How on earth did you work that out?

I was looking at Lieutenant Ralph Ord's brother, Lieutenant Commander Rupert George William Ord.  I found UK Navy records for him on Ancestry and the archive name was "Marineschule Mürwik" so I googled it and up it popped  ;D
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 11:55 GMT (UK)
I was looking at Lieutenant Ralph Ord's brother, Lieutenant Commander Rupert George William Ord.  I found UK Navy records for him on Ancestry and the archive name was "Marineschule Mürwik" so I googled it and up it popped  ;D

What an excellent example of lateral thinking!
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Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Thursday 07 March 19 12:00 GMT (UK)
Brilliant bit of detective work (and what a clever boy that Skoosh is too).
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Post by: Jool on Thursday 07 March 19 12:05 GMT (UK)
Brilliant bit of detective work (and what a clever boy that Skoosh is too).

Yes, Skoosh was certainly on the right track from the start  :)
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Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 12:05 GMT (UK)
Well done Jool  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)...thanks so much...you can get a really good view if you google the Colleges name + ariel view but could post the link.

I knew you would  ;D

Tried to post three times and got the red warning  :D

I too have been looking at Rupert's background because he ended up in Hull where the items I have where donated!!!

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 12:09 GMT (UK)
On reflection it aint Colditz which appears to be harled, still think it's in the south Baltic though. Denmark to East Prussia?

Skoosh.

Good instinct there Skoosh..nice one  8)

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 12:11 GMT (UK)
I think you're spot on!  The brickwork is the same with those cream bricks inset into the red brick and the Windows are the same too. Well done!  I wonder how the family was connected to a German Naval College

Chris

Now that is an interesting question  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 12:15 GMT (UK)
I think you're spot on!  The brickwork is the same with those cream bricks inset into the red brick and the Windows are the same too. Well done!  I wonder how the family was connected to a German Naval College

Chris

Now that is an interesting question  ;D

Carol

I would depend very much on what sort of date we are talking about.

Here's a google view (hope it works)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.8156393,9.4594053,249a,35y,14.25h/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
it looks like the quadrangle is now covered in tarmac.
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Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 07 March 19 12:19 GMT (UK)
This view is from the same place https://goo.gl/maps/4wg3ZSji8BN2

Stan
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Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 12:26 GMT (UK)
Looks like we have all been doing the same thing...great links Jen and Stan  8) One site calls it the "German Hogwarts"  ;D
Thanks so much.
I still can't believe Jool found it!!!

Dead chuffed at the great response   ;D
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 12:30 GMT (UK)
We have friends who live in Schleswig-Holstein and we were there last summer. If I'd known I would have got them to take us to Flensburg to get some photos for you  ;D
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Post by: Jool on Thursday 07 March 19 12:40 GMT (UK)
Glad to have helped Carol  :) 

I was blundering around the internet last night looking at images but getting nowhere.  It was your post this morning giving details of Ralph Ord that made me dig into the family members and found Rupert.  I couldn't believe it myself when the images came up  ;D
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Post by: josey on Thursday 07 March 19 13:48 GMT (UK)
Great detective work [as ever!!]. I wonder if the college would be interested in a copy of the pic?
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Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 13:53 GMT (UK)
Great detective work [as ever!!]. I wonder if the college would be interested in a copy of the pic?

That's a really good point Josey, I never thought of that...I can't speak German though  :D

Carol
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 13:57 GMT (UK)
Great detective work [as ever!!]. I wonder if the college would be interested in a copy of the pic?

That's a really good point Josey, I never thought of that...I can't speak German though  :D

Carol

Don’t let that worry you. If my experience is anything to go by, they will speak excellent English.
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Post by: a-l on Thursday 07 March 19 14:00 GMT (UK)
Great find jool , well done 🤗 

Well spotted skoosh !
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Post by: arthurk on Thursday 07 March 19 14:13 GMT (UK)
Excellent find, Jool!
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Post by: josey on Thursday 07 March 19 14:17 GMT (UK)
There are quite a few German speakers on RC that I know of - you could pm them to get a covering letter or email. Karen Macdonald, davecapps to name 2....
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Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 14:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks Josey...the problem is...they will reply in German  ;D I will give it some thought...as I have made contact with a family on Ancestry, I think he may want to have the privilege of doing that himself which may in turn, lead to information as to why Rupert was there.
Carol
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 14:31 GMT (UK)
Thanks Josey...the problem is...they will reply in German  ;D I will give it some thought..

If you write/email them in English they will almost certainly reply in English. All the Germans I've met speak and write excellent English.
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Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 14:43 GMT (UK)
Yes I believe you are right Jen but as I said earlier, I will wait to hear from the tree owner before I make that decision.
Carol
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Post by: a-l on Thursday 07 March 19 17:48 GMT (UK)
Hmmm is Carol going on another visit ?  ;D
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Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 18:04 GMT (UK)
That depends where he lives...Australia would be good  ;D ;D
Carol
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Post by: JenB on Thursday 07 March 19 18:17 GMT (UK)
I am intrigued to know how Skoosh pinned this down to the Southern Baltic 'from Denmark to East Prussia'.

Flensburg is just to the south of the German - Danish border.
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Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 07 March 19 18:41 GMT (UK)
Most likely the austere appearance of the building Jen.
Carol
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Post by: a-l on Thursday 07 March 19 19:02 GMT (UK)
That depends where he lives...Australia would be good  ;D ;D
Carol


 ;D ;D
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Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 07 March 19 19:16 GMT (UK)
@ JenB. it just has a kinda Hansa look about it, bricks and all!  ;D

Skoosh.
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Post by: Malcolm33 on Thursday 07 March 19 19:22 GMT (UK)
  I was also just thinking along the lines that it had to be in Germany.   The building is so very much like Holzminden in Lower Saxony which was where "the greatest POW break-out of the First World War" took place.   Main difference is that the Attic Windows had hemispherical roof tops whilst the Marine School has Pyramid shaped tops.   Otherwise they look very much the same.
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Post by: Trishanne on Thursday 07 March 19 20:01 GMT (UK)
So glad this has been found, brilliant piece of detective work, well done to Jool and everybody.
Pat
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Post by: Jool on Friday 08 March 19 00:01 GMT (UK)
I'm so pleased I was able to help with this one Carol as I had encouraged you to post more of your photo mysteries.

Maybe someone else would have found this today as I would usually have been at work and not have been online during the day.   But, as today is my birthday, I have had the day off and was able to spend some time on Rootschat.  It has made my birthday even more special being able to help with your mystery photo  ;D
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Post by: Treetotal on Friday 08 March 19 09:46 GMT (UK)
A belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY Jool and I'm pleased it made  your day that bit more special. Hope you had a lovely day! I know how satisfying it is to help to solve a mystery for someone  :-*
Carol
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Post by: Ruskie on Friday 08 March 19 09:48 GMT (UK)
Happy Birthday from me too Jool!  :)
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Post by: Jool on Friday 08 March 19 10:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks Carol and Ruskie for the birthday wishes  :) I had a lovely day.  Lucky me - I have today off too  ;D
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Post by: Treetotal on Friday 08 March 19 10:24 GMT (UK)
Oh good...I might have to ask for some detective work Miss Marples  :P ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Post by: Ruskie on Friday 08 March 19 10:27 GMT (UK)
Are you posting another photo Carol?  :)

Yes please.
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Post by: Treetotal on Friday 08 March 19 10:42 GMT (UK)
It might be a letter Ruskie  ;)
Carol
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Post by: Jool on Friday 08 March 19 10:50 GMT (UK)
Oooh, that sounds interesting Carol.  I will check in later to see what you have posted, I have to take the dog walkies first  :)
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Post by: Ruskie on Friday 08 March 19 12:26 GMT (UK)
It might be a letter Ruskie  ;)
Carol

Sounds intriguing.  :)
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Post by: Treetotal on Friday 08 March 19 14:19 GMT (UK)
I have sorted it now...when I scanned it, i could read most of it so I will see if I can find a photo  ;D
Carol
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Post by: a-l on Friday 08 March 19 16:29 GMT (UK)
A belated Happy Birthday Jool !

How is that sweetheart of a dog ?
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Post by: Jool on Friday 08 March 19 16:59 GMT (UK)
A belated Happy Birthday Jool !

How is that sweetheart of a dog ?

Thanks a-l  :) 
Charlie is great thanks, he is the best furry friend I could ever wish for (even when he's snoring  ;D)
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Post by: Flattybasher9 on Friday 08 March 19 18:04 GMT (UK)
Just like the wife when she hasn't shaved  ::) ::) ::)

Malky
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Post by: Treetotal on Friday 08 March 19 18:50 GMT (UK)
Just like the wife when she hasn't shaved  ::) ::) ::)

Malky

Aw....I'm telling Mrs. Malky  :P ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Jool on Friday 08 March 19 19:09 GMT (UK)
Just like the wife when she hasn't shaved  ::) ::) ::)

Malky

Oh I do hope Mrs. Malky reads this, you are going to be in so much trouble  :o ;D ;D
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Post by: a-l on Saturday 09 March 19 15:26 GMT (UK)
That's so good to hear Jool . Understandable, with him being so adorable !
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Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 09 March 19 16:05 GMT (UK)
That's so good to hear Jool . Understandable, with him being so adorable !

Who Malky...or the dog  :P ;D ;D
Carol
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Post by: Jool on Saturday 09 March 19 16:36 GMT (UK)
That's so good to hear Jool . Understandable, with him being so adorable !

Who Malky...or the dog  :P ;D ;D
Carol

 ;D  ;D
Well if she does mean Malky, I don't think Mrs. Malky will be agreeing with her at the moment  ;D
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Regorian on Saturday 09 March 19 16:46 GMT (UK)
Built 1910, college for German naval officers. Housed Grand Admiral Doenitz as successor to Hitler for 20 days in 1945. 
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: JenB on Saturday 09 March 19 16:53 GMT (UK)
Built 1910, college for German naval officers. Housed Grand Admiral Doenitz as successor to Hitler for 20 days in 1945.

I suspect, then, that this photo was taken during or very shortly after completion.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 09 March 19 17:07 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that interesting piece of information Regorian (always type Gregorian and have to alter it)  ;D I did wonder whether it may have been used as a POW camp during the war.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: a-l on Saturday 09 March 19 17:14 GMT (UK)
That's so good to hear Jool . Understandable, with him being so adorable !

Who Malky...or the dog  :P ;D ;D
Carol


The dog  ;D ;D. I'll leave Mrs Malky to sort out Malky .
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Saturday 09 March 19 23:13 GMT (UK)
Following up on the posts earlier from Regorian and JenB…...

According to this website http://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/4572270
Marineschule Mürwik was "Established at this site by Kaiser Wilhelm II in 1910, the academy occupies some of the original red brick buildings built between 1907 and 1910."

I wonder if these original early buildings had another purpose before Kaiser Wilhelm II established the academy there in 1910.

The earliest Naval record I can see for Rupert G W Ord on the Marineschule Mürwik archive is 1908, I wonder if that was when the photo was taken.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 09 March 19 23:42 GMT (UK)
That's an interesting link Jool....I estimated that the photo might have been taken around the time of WW1 but the building in the photo does look as thought it was still being established doesn't it. It does beg the question as to why the photo was with Rupert's possessions.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Sunday 10 March 19 00:15 GMT (UK)
It does beg the question as to why the photo was with Rupert's possessions.
Carol

I think Marineschule Mürwik may have the answer to that in their records.  I take it you have not yet heard from the tree owner you contacted.  I'm sure the archivists there would offer some information in return for a copy of the photograph.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Sunday 10 March 19 07:02 GMT (UK)
Just to clarify, the wife snores like a squad of troopers, and has fluffy legs.

Malky
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Regorian on Sunday 10 March 19 08:17 GMT (UK)
Probably equivalent to Royal Naval College Dartmouth. No reason a British officer was not there between the Wars. Website shows NATO naval personnel there now. 
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 09:40 GMT (UK)
It does beg the question as to why the photo was with Rupert's possessions.
Carol

I think Marineschule Mürwik may have the answer to that in their records.  I take it you have not yet heard from the tree owner you contacted.  I'm sure the archivists there would offer some information in return for a copy of the photograph.

I have heard from the first contact who has a lot of info relating to the Ord family on his tree including Rupert's Naval records but whilst he was grateful for the contact, the relationship is too distant for it to be of any interest.
The second contact who had a private tree and is a first cousin twice removed to Doris, has responded and was grateful for what I sent but has shown little interest in the other items I have mentioned.
There are drawings to Doris from Rupert, snapshots dated around the 1940s, a family tree going back to the 1600s and quite a few letters including "The last letters from Ralph" in Sept. 1916 before he was killed in France. There are also three locks of hair (shudder) and other small items of interest.
I intend to contact the naval school to send a copy of the photo.

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Sunday 10 March 19 12:26 GMT (UK)
It's a shame that this interesting family history collection couldn't be passed on to a family member. It does seem that there are no living descendants. Ralph and Doris died unmarried/childless, Rupert had 2 children, 1 died as an infant and the other died unmarried in 1983.

At least the Marine School will have a copy of the photograph, it may well turn out to be the earliest photo they have.

Regorian - What you say makes perfect sense, there was no conflict between Britain and Germany at that time so no reason for Rupert not to be there.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 12:47 GMT (UK)
Probably equivalent to Royal Naval College Dartmouth. No reason a British officer was not there between the Wars. Website shows NATO naval personnel there now.

Yes I see that there were British Personnel training there. But It looks from his naval records like he may have been there soon after it was built.

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 12:51 GMT (UK)
It's a shame that this interesting family history collection couldn't be passed on to a family member. It does seem that there are no living descendants. Ralph and Doris died unmarried/childless, Rupert had 2 children, 1 died as an infant and the other died unmarried in 1983.

At least the Marine School will have a copy of the photograph, it may well turn out to be the earliest photo they have.

Regorian - What you say makes perfect sense, there was no conflict between Britain and Germany at that time so no reason for Rupert not to be there.

Yes Jool, you have done your homework...that's why it came to us. There is a letter which mentions Felicity and her Mother Doreen. But Nicholas died in early infancy.

Attached postcards from Rupert to Doris....I think she may have been in service as she she seemed to have several addresses.

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Regorian on Sunday 10 March 19 14:10 GMT (UK)
It was quite normal for visits by foreign service officers. Your officer may have visited pre 1914. The Kaiser was an admiral of the Royal Navy.

Certainly up to 1913, foreign military observers attended the end of summer manouevers in the large European armies. Winston Churchill often visited the German ones.

RAF Odiham was opened in 1937 by Erhard Milch, then Minister of Air and a Generaloberst (Colonel General), I think, in the Luftwaffe. There are plenty of photographs, but I could only find one on Google now. There used to be photographs in the White Hart? Hotel, Odiham, but not now.

   
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Sunday 10 March 19 14:54 GMT (UK)
What beautiful drawings Carol, it's sad that we can't find them a home.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 15:22 GMT (UK)
It was quite normal for visits by foreign service officers. Your officer may have visited pre 1914. The Kaiser was an admiral of the Royal Navy.

Certainly up to 1913, foreign military observers attended the end of summer manouevers in the large European armies. Winston Churchill often visited the German ones.

RAF Odiham was opened in 1937 by Erhard Milch, then Minister of Air and a Generaloberst (Colonel General), I think, in the Luftwaffe. There are plenty of photographs, but I could only find one on Google now. There used to be photographs in the White Hart? Hotel, Odiham, but not now.

   

Thanks really interesting Gregorian...thanks so much for your help and your interest  :D

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 15:24 GMT (UK)
What beautiful drawings Carol, it's sad that we can't find them a home.

They are aren't they...there are also some silhouettes and a tintype photo of Doris aged about 11 years old  :-\

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: josey on Sunday 10 March 19 15:41 GMT (UK)
What beautiful drawings Carol, it's sad that we can't find them a home.
Agree completely, they are really whimsical.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 15:47 GMT (UK)
There are only two matching trees and I have contacted both of them...if I was my Family, I would be making a trip to collect the box, but not everyone is as passionate as we are though are they Josey  ::)
Never mind...it's been fun and I have enjoyed every minute  :D
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Sunday 10 March 19 15:53 GMT (UK)
Someone searching the Ord family online may find this thread, it's happened before as you know  :)
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 16:12 GMT (UK)
Yes you are right Jool, it may happen yet. The box itself is an interesting object, it's an A5 size box file with a paper insert stuck to the lid advertising stationery.
OK...who was Eve?...this must have been after 1948 as it mentions Felicity and Doreen...Rupert's wife and Daughter  :P ;D ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Sunday 10 March 19 18:45 GMT (UK)
Eve was Evelyn Grace Ord (1876-1959).  She was Rupert's aunt (his father's sister).  She married Louis Auguste Marie Fevez in 1924.

Her address on the probate index is the same as is in the letter above.

There is a tree on Ancestry with photos of her.  :)
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 10 March 19 23:16 GMT (UK)
Excellent sleuthing once again Jool, but then again, I knew you would find her  8) I will make contact to see if they are interested.
Thanks again, you are a star larker!
Carol :-*
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: a-l on Monday 11 March 19 14:17 GMT (UK)
Well done Jool !
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 11 March 19 16:46 GMT (UK)
I thought you all might like to see these sketches done by Ralph, these are both back to back...It looks like Private J.E. Hays was KIA in France on June 26th 1916  ::) Sadly I can only find a medal card for him.
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Monday 11 March 19 18:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol

Private J.E. Hays KIA in France on June 26th 1916 was in the 11th Btn. East Lancs Regt. 

I think the name on the drawing refers to Private J E Heys of the 8th Btn. East Lancs Regt. Regimental Number 17173. KIA March 8th 1916.  He is on the Medal Rolls and is mentioned here https://www.baxendenstjohn.org.uk/baxenden-lads-heys-je/

ADDED: Also mentioned here: https://haslingdens.blogspot.com/2012/

More beautiful drawings too  :)
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 11 March 19 19:24 GMT (UK)
Oh dear...got the wrong one...thanks Jool, glad I have you to check things out. I may find family for him then  :D
Thanks for looking after a hard day at the office  ;) ;D ;D ;D
I do love these little pieces of social history, maybe that is because I have so little of my own  ::) ;D ;D
Maybe I can return the favour and restore or colour a photo for you  :-*
Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Jool on Monday 11 March 19 20:34 GMT (UK)
Maybe I can return the favour and restore or colour a photo for you  :-*
Carol

Thank you Carol, I do have a pile of photos (somewhere  ::)) which may need a little TLC.  I will dig them out and have a look through.  Having said that, I really enjoy investigating these mysteries so the pleasure is all mine  :-*
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Karen McDonald on Friday 29 May 20 21:33 BST (UK)
Hi,

Hubby & I were watching German telly the other day and all of a sudden I started hopping up & down yelling "I know that building!". Hubby was a little perplexed, as I've never been to Flensburg...  ???

"It was on RootsChat!" as explanation didn't enlighten him any further, but I knew what I was on about.  :)

Yep, it was the Marineschule Mürwik, as identified in this thread!  ;D

I don't know if it is possible to access the NDR Mediathek from outside Germany, but here is the link:

https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ostsee-report/Unterwegs-an-der-Flensburger-Foerde,sendung1029836.html

There is a brief shot of the college in the opening credits, then it is featured from around 15:45.

Best regards,
Karen

Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Skoosh on Friday 29 May 20 22:07 BST (UK)
Flensburg, some top Nazi's caught there at the end of the war.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Treetotal on Friday 29 May 20 22:47 BST (UK)
Hi,

Hubby & I were watching German telly the other day and all of a sudden I started hopping up & down yelling "I know that building!". Hubby was a little perplexed, as I've never been to Flensburg...  ???

"It was on RootsChat!" as explanation didn't enlighten him any further, but I knew what I was on about.  :)

Yep, it was the Marineschule Mürwik, as identified in this thread!  ;D

I don't know if it is possible to access the NDR Mediathek from outside Germany, but here is the link:

https://www.ndr.de/fernsehen/sendungen/ostsee-report/Unterwegs-an-der-Flensburger-Foerde,sendung1029836.html

There is a brief shot of the college in the opening credits, then it is featured from around 15:45.

Best regards,
Karen

Fancy you remembering seeing that a year ago  :o that's a great link Karen, thanks for sharing and taking the time to post it.

Carol
Title: Re: Which Building is this please?
Post by: Karen McDonald on Saturday 30 May 20 10:19 BST (UK)
Fancy you remembering seeing that a year ago  :o that's a great link Karen, thanks for sharing and taking the time to post it.
Carol

It's strange what sticks in your head sometimes. Mind you, I did spend ages searching for possible solutions back then, so the thread embedded itself in my memory.

Just don't ask me what I did earlier today - I might not be able to remember!  ;D

Best regards,
Karen