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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: 47jml56 on Saturday 09 March 19 01:56 GMT (UK)
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See attachment -- extract from 1752 Cheshire baptism register: "Isabel dau[ghte]r of Jno Lucas ____?___". Judging by other entries on the same page, the first letter is "F"
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat :)
I have stared at this and I have to say I can't work out what it says. However, don't despair, there are a lot of clever people on Rootschat who are really good with old handwriting, just give it a little time ;)
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I think the first letter is looped the same way as he makes his T's? ( I think his pen blobbed a spot of ink, making it look like an F)
A "T" makes no sense, as the second letter looks to be an L.
Some random parts from the same writer to look at:
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I think it is: Flowrist
Thanks bbart for posting the wider selection of examples.
You are right that his T is similar, but comparing to Foden and Farmer in the second half of your example I think it's an F.
If you look at the word Widow, you'll see his capital W is straight and angular, but the ending w is curved with a final loop.
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I was actually thinking about florist, but I didn't think that was an occupation yet! I went through many pages in that parish book, and never saw another occupation that remotely matched it, so it makes sense it would be a less common occupation.
I was off looking for a baptism of any other child of his, and came across a very strange entry, which I will post in a new thread so as not to hijack this one.
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I thought the end of the word was ——Smith.
But what smith can not make out.Is it. G ,first letter ..?
Viktoria.
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Looks just like flowrist to me.
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Looks like Glassmith to me.
definition
Glassblowing is a glass forming technique that involves inflating molten glass into a bubble (or parison) with the aid of a blowpipe (or blow tube). A person who blows glass is called a glassblower, glassmith, or gaffer.
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The first letter is very much like the F in Farmer,of which there are quite a few lower down the page, but I'm not at all sure what the word is. I've thought of Flesher (or variations) but that's not it. It does look like /smith ant the end .
I found a probable marriage for them in Jan 1750/52 and he was down as a husbandsman then.
Gadget
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I thought Plow something? The locus would determine if he was a glassworker?
Skoosh.
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Glassmith
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I think the first letter is almost certainly an 'F'
Compare the first letter of the mystery word with the 'F' of Farmer from lower down the same page
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The first looks like a stylised G as it's a continuous stroke whereas the stylised F looks like 2 strokes.
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The first looks like a stylised G as it's a continuous stroke whereas the stylised F looks like 2 strokes.
Here's 'G' from the same page :-\
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I've just done some comparisons
Original
T
F
G
I meant to add that it looks like a T to me
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Based on those comparisons, I think you can rule G out. The T and the F are very similar, but if the second letter is an L, as it appears to be, surely it must begin with F.
I still go with Flowrist (Florist).
Edit. To me, that F in Farmer looks identical to the first letter in the original word.
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I've checked several other pages in this record. The clerk is very consistent in writing the letter 'F' with a small stroke on the right-hand-side of the descender, while there is no such stroke on the 'T'.
He is also consistent in the way he writes 'G', which is nothing like the letter in question (see Gadget's comparison).
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If you look at the two "R"s in Farmer, they look just like the letter that would be an R in Flowrist.
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I think it is: Flowrist
Thanks bbart for posting the wider selection of examples.
You are right that his T is similar, but comparing to Foden and Farmer in the second half of your example I think it's an F.
If you look at the word Widow, you'll see his capital W is straight and angular, but the ending w is curved with a final loop.
This was what I first saw before reading any other comments.
Carol
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Given that he was a Husbandsman at the marriage a year or so earlier, I'm still wondering whether there was some agricultural occupation that looks anything like this - unless he changed jobs or gave misleading information at the marriage :-\
Add - could it be Flour<something> ???
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He could have been a husbandman in a market garden.
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Where in the country was he?
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Where in the country was he?
Original post says Cheshire.
I’ve been looking in the dialect dictionary but can’t yet find anything.
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Where in the country was he?
Astbury for baptism and marriage.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CHS/Astbury
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Thanks to you all for your excellent help so far :) ! I agree that Flowrist matches best to the individual letters -- but has anyone seen examples of this as an occupation in Cheshire or nearby counties in the same time period? (1750s)? I can't find any references in other sources I've looked through.
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According to Merriam-Webster online dictionary the first known use of the word florist was in 1623.
Pat
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Thanks to everyone who helped me with this :) :)
i will now mark it completed