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Title: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: Shane Jones on Saturday 09 March 19 12:02 GMT (UK)
G'day may I please get some help to Decipher these as I am unable
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: josey on Saturday 09 March 19 12:22 GMT (UK)
Welcome to rootschat  :).

I will have a go later [have to go out] but someone else may come along in the meantime. For future reference - the first pic would be easier to see if scanned or photographed at a higher resolution....as it pixelates when enlarged.

My stab at 2nd:
14 William Bewley Jones; ats Mayhew ?Janor by War(ran)t of ?P(e)t(i)t(ion)s? dated same day.
It would be useful to know the column headings and the sources of the documents.
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 09 March 19 13:10 GMT (UK)
Another take on the second one:

14. William Bewlay Jones al[ia]s Mayhew & ano[the]r by War[ran]t of Pl[ain]t[if]fs dated same day.
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 09 March 19 13:27 GMT (UK)
The first one - with a couple of words I can't get.

On the left:
Wood Mayor (probably referring to a Lord Mayor named Wood - maybe this was during his term of office)

Top right - the date etc:
Tuesday the 4th March 1817
and in the fiftysecond year of
the Reign of George the third of the
united Kingdom of Great
Britain and Ireland King etc

The main section:
Upon the humble Request of William
Bewley Jones who obtained an order of
this Court of the 24 day of October 1816 to be
made free of this City by Redemption in the
Company of Pattenmakers paying
unto .... Chamberlain for this City's ....
the Sum of Fortysix Shillings and Eight
Pence It is now ordered that he be admitted
accordingly, altho' it is more than three
Months since he obtained the said order
Notwithstanding the order made by this
Court the 21st day of February 1726 to
the contrary.
                                Woodthorpe
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: josey on Saturday 09 March 19 13:54 GMT (UK)
Brill....yes, my stab at the 2nd was somewhat hasty & off.
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 09 March 19 14:17 GMT (UK)
Brill....yes, my stab at the 2nd was somewhat hasty & off.

So it's not just me, then - I did a rushed reply to something yesterday and had to go back later because I realised I'd missed out something important.  :-[
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: Shane Jones on Saturday 09 March 19 14:31 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much ;D
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: Bookbox on Saturday 09 March 19 16:59 GMT (UK)
Not al(ia)s, but ats, which = 'at the suit of ...'.

Presumably it's one of the discharge registers from debtors' prison (e.g. the Marshalsea)?
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: Bookbox on Saturday 09 March 19 17:11 GMT (UK)
The first one - with a couple of words I can't get.

unto .... Chamberlain for this City's ....

I think it's ... unto Mr Chamberlain for this Citys use
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: bbart on Saturday 09 March 19 17:51 GMT (UK)
If this helps, the second image is an 1817 entry in the series London, England, King's Bench and Fleet Prison Discharge Books and Prisoner Lists, 1734-1862.
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 09 March 19 19:04 GMT (UK)
Not al(ia)s, but ats, which = 'at the suit of ...'.

Presumably it's one of the discharge registers from debtors' prison (e.g. the Marshalsea)?

Fair enough - I'm not very familiar with these.

And credit to josey, who suggested ats right from the start.
Title: Re: Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
Post by: Bookbox on Saturday 09 March 19 19:31 GMT (UK)
Not al(ia)s, but ats, which = 'at the suit of ...'.

Presumably it's one of the discharge registers from debtors' prison (e.g. the Marshalsea)?

Fair enough - I'm not very familiar with these.

And credit to josey, who suggested ats right from the start.

Sorry, I should have clarified that Mayhew is therefore one of the creditors, not an alternative name for William Bewlay Jones (as might have been inferred if it had read alias).

Yes, credit to Josey for suggesting ats earlier!