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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Res7922 on Wednesday 13 March 19 17:26 GMT (UK)
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Greeting,
I have a family member that I have been researching and have been able to find very little info on him. Richard Bailey was born in approximately 1825 possibly in England. Later he relocated to Australia and married Grace Cundy on 19 Jun 1848 in Schoolhouse Kooringa South Africa. She was Born in 1833 in Cornwall England and died 20 Sep 1887 in Greymouth, West Coast New Zealand. Her parents are Peter and Mary Ann Snell. their kids include Mary Ann, Catherine, Richard and John Bailey. Grace also remarried to John Day and John Low. I have no other info on him to include parents or death, any info would be greatly appreciated thank you.
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Hi there,
When he married in South Africa what information did he provide to the clergy about himself?
You note he relocated to Australia ..... do you know when and/or where?
You note that Grace died in New Zealand, do you have her d.c. and does it show how long she had lived there?
Have you considered Did he die there? ...perhaps .... Does his d.c. show how long he lived in any of the Australian colonies?
Where have you looked for him ....
JM
Greeting,
I have a family member that I have been researching and have been able to find very little info on him. Richard Bailey was born in approximately 1825 possibly in England. Later he relocated to Australia and married Grace Cundy on 19 Jun 1848 in Schoolhouse Kooringa South Africa. She was Born in 1833 in Cornwall England and died 20 Sep 1887 in Greymouth, West Coast New Zealand. Her parents are Peter and Mary Ann Snell. their kids include Mary Ann, Catherine, Richard and John Bailey. Grace also remarried to John Day and John Low. I have no other info on him to include parents or death, any info would be greatly appreciated thank you.
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According to the Australia Marriage Index (1788-1950) the location is schollhouse Kooringa registered at the Murray, South Australia. I have not been able to locate the actual certificate to see if further information was revealed. He is listed in 1841 England census at the age of 15 with no parents listed. I have also not been able to find a death record for him in Australia or New Zealand. However according to his great grand daughter he arrived in Aukland new Zealand on the "Ocean" around 1855 listed as a seaman. I have also not been able to locate Graces death certificate but she is listed under the New Zealand death index (1848-1966) dated 1887 registered in Ahaura, Aukland New Zealand.
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Agh ..... your opening post has South Africa for the marriage....
JM
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Hi,
A possibility
Adelaide Observer, Saturday 19th April 1856, page 4.
CLEARED OUT
Saturday April 12
Same day, schooner, Caroline, 138 tons, Nicholas, master, for Melbourne. Passengers- Richard BAILEY and wife.
Gerry
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A Richard Bailey arrived Adelaide 24 Dec 1845, aboard the Palmyra from Hobart according to this site:
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/BSA/ShipLists%20Alpha%20by%20Year/1845PassengersA-M.htm
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Their son John was born in Victoria in 1857 - do you have that birth certificate? It should give Richard's place of birth, age and occupation.
I have not been able to locate the actual certificate to see if further information was revealed.........I have also not been able to locate Graces death certificate but she is listed under the New Zealand death index (1848-1966) dated 1887 registered in Ahaura, Aukland New Zealand.
You have to purchase certificates from the relevant registries.
Debra :)
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The SA marriage certificate won't give much information, a father's name at most.
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The South Australian Register, Wednesday, 15th December 1847 on page 4 under shipping shipping Intelligence.
Arrived, Tuesday, 14th December, the Barque, China, 600 tons, E. W. Lively, master, from London and Plymouth. Passengers.... Peter CUNDY, wife and three children.
Gerry
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I see there is a submitted tree on Ancestry for Richard BAILEY and his wife Grace and their children. I see it includes a lass born in 1850 and who married in NSW in 1875, widowed in 1889, remarried in 1889 and she died in NSW in 1894. Catherine ROGERS, formerly OFFORD, nee BAILEY. Her younger sister is shown as born in NEW ZEALAND in 1855 .... and then her brother John in 1857 is shown as born at Beechworth Victoria ... Likely he is the one Dundee has noted :D :D
I am not sure that that tree owner has actually obtained the documents or is simply relying on the info contained in the online INDEXES ....
But just in case, it may be that Richard and Grace were in Victoria by 1852 as it seems that submitter believes there is a birth for them at Geelong for a son named Richard, and sadly a death for that infant at Breakwater.
The Vic BDM online index has a death for a Richard BAILEY in 1853, unknown parents, #24602.
I cannot identify the birth in 1852 or the death in 1853 of an infant named Richard BAILEY at the Vic BDM online index ... https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history .... BUT ....
Findagrave has a memorial https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163577581 and the Ancestry Index for Vic deaths has the reference #24602 as showing the deceased was aged 1. (Same reference no. as the Vic BDM online index, the new version of Vic BDM is a much lesser version than previously)
So perhaps they moved from South Australia to Victoria, to New Zealand and then back to Victoria before returning to NZ....
So from the submitted tree, Grace married in NZ on 12 June 1868 at the Bridge Street Chapel, Nelson. I think NZ marriages in that decade may be scant on info, but SHOULD at least show her status ... WIDOW ... This husband was noted on this submitted tree as John William Edward Lively DAY.
RChat's Resources boards are full of live links to excellent helpful websites, usually free to search.
RChat's Australian Resources board has child boards for each of the states ;D
New Zealand's is here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/new-zealand-resources-offers/
Australia's is here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
JM
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Noticing the surname LIVELY for the captain of that ship in 1847 that Gerry found ... it is also a given name for Grace's NZ husband ...
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Richard BAILEY a wood cutter in the Murray Scrub in 1851. He had 200 tons of wood cut, waiting for it to be fetched in, and the Copper company had not fetched it in for more than a month …. Wow, 200 tons cut and ready … and he knew to take court action in the Magistrates court at Kooringa…
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/38452674 South Australian Register 10 Nov 1851
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/165043576 Adelaide Observer 15 Nov 1851
Trove digitised newspapers : https://trove.nla.gov.au/
Papers past digitised newspapers : https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
JM
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That would be the copper mine at Burra. One of the biggest in the world at the time I believe. Lots of Cornish miners came out to work there, as well as the the Copper Triangle.
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"Newspapers Grey River Argus 23 September 1887
Death: Low - at Ahaura on the 20th of September 1887
Grace Day Low aged 54"
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GRA18870923.2.4?query=%22grace%20day%22%20ahaura&snippet=true
In 1886 probate was granted to her of her husbands estate he was John William Day.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GRA18860918.2.10?query=%22grace%20day%22%20ahaura&snippet=true
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She has a probate on Familysearch
Grace Low
Event Type Probate
Event Date 1887
Event Place Greymouth, West Coast, New Zealand
Note Ahaura, Year Range: 1887 - 1887
Actually does not say much
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481
John William Day's probate is also there
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Wow thanks for all the info thus far. It has proved difficult to find info on Richard. I have possibly found a 1841 England Census for him with no family listed. I will post a link as soon as possible. Also i have one of the trees for Richard on ancestry also there is one listed under Jengolds who is a direct descendent of him. As mentioned no one has provided definitive records as of yet. I am willing to do the work but am just learning the process for Australia.
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Good to hear from you,
Dundee has given you some excellent advice, the depth of detail on Vic BDM documents, including their downloadable pdf births are exceptional. To me, that birth registration would be very high on my MUST HAVE list, way way higher than the 1848 m.c..
JM
Their son John waes born in Victoria in 1857 - do you have that birth certificate? It should give Richard's place of birth, age and occupation.
I have not been able to locate the actual certificate to see if further information was revealed.........I have also not been able to locate Graces death certificate but she is listed under the New Zealand death index (1848-1966) dated 1887 registered in Ahaura, Aukland New Zealand.
You have to purchase certificates from the relevant registries.
Debra :)
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But just in case, it may be that Richard and Grace were in Victoria by 1852 as it seems that submitter believes there is a birth for them at Geelong for a son named Richard, and sadly a death for that infant at Breakwater.
The Vic BDM online index has a death for a Richard BAILEY in 1853, unknown parents, #24602.
I cannot identify the birth in 1852 or the death in 1853 of an infant named Richard BAILEY at the Vic BDM online index ... https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history .... BUT ....
Findagrave has a memorial https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163577581 and the Ancestry Index for Vic deaths has the reference #24602 as showing the deceased was aged 1. (Same reference no. as the Vic BDM online index, the new version of Vic BDM is a much lesser version than previously)
JM
Victorian Death
BAILEY, Richard
Parents not listed
Age 1 M
At Breakwater
1853/24602
Denom. Church of England
Parish Christ Church Geelong
Sue