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Title: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Friday 15 March 19 08:46 GMT (UK)
This started off with an assumption that Thomas was born in England. Because we have a marriage:
Thomas Simister to Ellen Carter 9c 4th qtr 1324A in 1908.

Then we have a migration document:
Thomas & Ellen on board Orsova leaving London for Australia on 25.09.1914.

However a birth for Thomas could not be found in England. ( I hope I am right !!!!)

English Census for 1901 says:
RG 13. Piece 4321. Folio 99 Page 27
A Thomas Simister was living with his parents, but born in Australia.

Checking NSW BDM, I found, a birth.
Thomas Simister 4705/1883 son of Robert & Eliza. Registered in Leichhardt, a Sydney area.
Other children were born in Victoria.

I would like to find out how and why the parents came to Australia and why and when they returned to England.

Tough call but I have faith in the enquiry.

Thomas eventually dies in an accident on Sept 6th 1932 while living in Sydney.

I hope these facts relate to the same person.

Thanks

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 15 March 19 16:08 GMT (UK)
New South Wales Australia assisted passenger immigrant list has the following in 1883

Ship "Lochee"

Robert Simister 35 bricklayer from Yorkshire
Eliza 25
Emma 4
Harry 2

Arrival date 19 May 1883 - when was Thomas born that year? 

Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 15 March 19 16:14 GMT (UK)
The 1901 census in England has a 2 year old daughter Ann born in Australia so they must have returned 1899-1901. 
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 15 March 19 20:16 GMT (UK)
They arrived in UK on the Omrah in May 1899. "Mr Sinister", wife, and family (including Harry, Thomas, George, Lily and Eliza). The ages of the children seem to have got a bit mixed up in the passenger manifest.
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Friday 15 March 19 22:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the quick replies. Cant tell you the exact date of Thomas' birth. The NSW certificate has not yet been purchased.

Any suggestions as to what father Robert may have been doing in Australia ? Moving the family from England to Australia and back again seems me a big task around 1899.

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 15 March 19 23:41 GMT (UK)
It does seem a huge effort to move countries. You would generally expect them to have emigrated for work or “opportunities”, though there could be any number of reasons. As a bricklayer he could have been brought to Australia by an employer to work on a specific project if there was a lack of skilled labour in Australia, and possibly returned at the end of his contract. Perhaps the family simply did not like Australia or were homesick.

Have a look at the family in the 1911 census, which tells you who Robert’s employer is at that time. I can only make out the first word ”Builders” - second word starts with M. I don’t know if it will give you any clues though. It also gives places of birth if you haven’t already found Robert and Eliza’s origins.

Sometimes the immigration document specifies an employer or sponsor. Have you checked the original?
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: John Bell on Friday 15 March 19 23:52 GMT (UK)
Baptisms in Leichhardt, Sydney. Anglican Parish Register.

Thomas Simister. Born: 20 August 1883. Baptised: 23 October 1883.
Parents: Robert and Eliza Simister. Marion Street.
Occupation: bricklayer.
By whom the Ceremony Performed: Thomas Holme.
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Aussie1947 on Saturday 16 March 19 00:07 GMT (UK)
Hi,

1885 Sands Post Office Directory
SIMISTER, Robt, bricklayer, Foster St, Lcdt.

(Probably Leichhardt)

Gerry
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Saturday 16 March 19 01:40 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the new input. Everything helps paint the picture.
Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Saturday 16 March 19 02:01 GMT (UK)
Thomas was born 20th August 1883  (can do a binary search on dates).

There is a deceased estate at NSW Archives for Thomas Simister which I could photograph next time I am there - but probably not much help in finding why his parents travelled back and forth.  https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?keyname_search=simister&id=15

Ros
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Saturday 16 March 19 02:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ros. I did find evidence of the deceased estate when I used Keyname on NSW Records.

This search is on behalf of a friend. If you have the time, I'm sure he would appreciate it.

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Saturday 16 March 19 02:39 GMT (UK)
Happy to do so Alan  :)
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Lady Di on Saturday 16 March 19 02:55 GMT (UK)
Assume that you (or your Friend) have the details from the Coroner's inquest following Thomas' death in Sept 6,1932. The details aren't easy to read so wondered what his cause of death was from his death certificate? (assuming that you have it, of course)

Also the death/funeral notices are available on TROVE.

Family Trees on Ancestry have the family listed. Unfortunately not many have correct details - but I guess you knew that already   :P
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Saturday 16 March 19 03:10 GMT (UK)
Would you believe this search originated within the last week. I have the SMH obit of 9th Sep.1932, but have never tried to access a coroner's inquest. Are NSW inquests available online?
Thanks Lady Di.
Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 16 March 19 03:16 GMT (UK)
Will the d/c be included with coroner’s or deceased estate documents?
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Saturday 16 March 19 03:48 GMT (UK)
It is quite possible that the d.c. is included in the deceased estate file, as it is a city, "fairly recent" one.   (The earlier rural ones tend to have a statement by a local dignitary that "he has seen the body").
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Aussie1947 on Saturday 16 March 19 04:00 GMT (UK)

From the Coroner's Inquest looks like Thomas died of injuries after falling from a scaffold.

Gerry
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 16 March 19 04:07 GMT (UK)
Hi
Do you have the details of Thomas's brother George who also returned to Australia?
Sue
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Saturday 16 March 19 04:18 GMT (UK)
Sorry! No details of any of Thomas' siblings, yet. We only found his birth in Australia this week and tracked back through the 1901 English Census. The family's assumption had always been that he had been born in England. The birth in Australia came as complete surprise.

Alan

Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 16 March 19 04:42 GMT (UK)
Here is the NSW death of Geoge
SIMISTER George
15830/1955
Parents ROBERT & ELIZA
At WYONG
 
This Funeral Notice for Thomas mentions him
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246296694

He seems to have married Emmeline.
There are newspaper references including the following.

Engagment notice for a daughter who married in 1941. This daughter, Elsie, was born in Australia.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/27946340

Another daughter engaged in 1943
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17848103

George, born 1886, joined the ww2 forces
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=311792

Sue
ADDING
This looks like the death of George's wife.

SIMISTER  Emmeline
35825/1968
Parents SAMUEL & CATHERINE
At PENRITH
 

 
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 16 March 19 04:55 GMT (UK)
Possibly George arrived in advance of Emmeline

 
George  SIMISTER
Age 27
born abt 1885
Departure Date 20 Dec 1912
Port of Departure London, England
Destination Port Sydney, Australia 
Ship Orvieto
Occupation Miner

Mrs Emmeline SIMISTER
Age   28
Born abt 1886
Departure Date   30 Jan 1914
Port of Departure London, England
Destination Port   Sydney, Australia
Ship Norseman
Housewife

She came with Edith aged 4 who was one of the daughters mentioned above.EDIT Adding now ;D
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16598156?
Sue

Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 16 March 19 06:03 GMT (UK)

A news snip from when the couple were in Victoria, gives Robert’s employment details at that time. 1892. The paper was local to Coburg, close to Brunswick where Ann, Eliza and Lily were born.


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/66900574

Sue
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Aussie1947 on Saturday 16 March 19 06:16 GMT (UK)
Hi,

A George SIMISTER, 29, born in Leichhardt, miner, married, enlisted into the 1st AIF 5th November 1915.

Gerry
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Saturday 16 March 19 06:23 GMT (UK)
A great result and still growing! A week ago this story didn't exist. I have sent all your info to my friend, who is the grandson of Thomas Simister.

He is going away tonight for about ten days touring NSW. Keep the info flowing, but I won't respond until he arrives home.

Appreciate your efforts.

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: Aussie1947 on Saturday 16 March 19 08:56 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Sands Sydney Directory 1890
SIMISTER, Robert, bricklayer, 132, Flood st, Leichhardt.

Sands Melbourne Directory 1896
SIMISTER, Robert, 125, Albion st, east, Bk.

Sands Melbourne Directory 1897
SIMISTER, Robert, 125, Albion st, east, Bk.

Sands Melbourne Directory 1898
SIMISTER, Robert, 143 Mitchell st, BK.

Sands Melbourne Directory 1899
SIMISTER, Robert, 138 Barrow st, North Bk.

Gerry
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Saturday 16 March 19 09:10 GMT (UK)
Emmeline's death notice from SMH 25 June 1968.

Poorly digitised ... I'll check google news archives. [ adding : no not available ]

adding : There is a probate packet which I can photograph https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1278591
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Saturday 16 March 19 09:26 GMT (UK)
Here is George SIMISTER's death notice from SMH from 2 June 1955
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Saturday 16 March 19 09:48 GMT (UK)
Here is Dorothy BUSSELL's death notice from SMH 21 Feb 2017.   (She was wife of Frederick as in engagement notice found by Sue and children match the grandchildren of George).

Poorly digitised again ... or perhaps it's my eyesight  :(

Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Saturday 16 March 19 10:21 GMT (UK)
Dorothy's husband Frederick's death notice
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 16 March 19 22:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry posted on wrong thread
Deleted ;)
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Sunday 17 March 19 07:14 GMT (UK)
Had me confused , worried and looking to the sky !!!

Thanks, you are still a legend

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Thursday 28 March 19 23:53 GMT (UK)
Aussie 1947,
How do I get access to the Coroner's Report re falling from the scaffold in 1932 ?

Thanks
Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Friday 29 March 19 06:48 GMT (UK)
My friend has returned.We sat together in my kitchen today and absorbed your information. He, and I, thank you deeply. It was all relevant.

I sent him home to spread it all out, and to  think where he wants to go next.

A work in progress!

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Thursday 04 April 19 04:26 BST (UK)
Aussie1947,
Thanks, your pm much appreciated.

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Thursday 11 April 19 07:05 BST (UK)
Ros,

Just had a very quick glance at the info. on your last pm to me. Looks fantastic.!!

A million thanks !! I will get into it in depth tonight.

Then I will contact Thomas Simister's grandson and show him the good news.

Again, Thanks!

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Sunday 26 May 19 08:00 BST (UK)
Ros,

With respect, is there anything more to come on the Simister line ? Or shall I dig elsewhere ? Not sure where !!

Thanks

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: rosball on Sunday 26 May 19 09:20 BST (UK)
Hi Alan,
   I have just been reading through the thread to refresh my memory.   And I realised that I neglected to photograph Emmeline's probate packet.   Sorry - I've added it to my list now. 

   Were there any other probates or divorces or deceased estates in the light of the death notices or elsewhere, that you would like?  https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

Ros



Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Monday 27 May 19 00:40 BST (UK)
Thanks for your help.
No other request at this time.

Alan
Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: judb on Tuesday 28 May 19 07:53 BST (UK)
Don't know if your friend is interested but it's an unusual surname and looking up the White pages (phone directory) there seem to be only 7 entries for the whole of Australia. 
https://www.whitepages.com.au/residential
Just put the surname in, no need to know initials or location.

Judith

Title: Re: Thomas Simister. InternationalTraveller.
Post by: tom mix on Tuesday 28 May 19 09:28 BST (UK)
It all helps and I try everything.

Thank you

Alan