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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: tom mix on Friday 15 March 19 08:46 GMT (UK)
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This started off with an assumption that Thomas was born in England. Because we have a marriage:
Thomas Simister to Ellen Carter 9c 4th qtr 1324A in 1908.
Then we have a migration document:
Thomas & Ellen on board Orsova leaving London for Australia on 25.09.1914.
However a birth for Thomas could not be found in England. ( I hope I am right !!!!)
English Census for 1901 says:
RG 13. Piece 4321. Folio 99 Page 27
A Thomas Simister was living with his parents, but born in Australia.
Checking NSW BDM, I found, a birth.
Thomas Simister 4705/1883 son of Robert & Eliza. Registered in Leichhardt, a Sydney area.
Other children were born in Victoria.
I would like to find out how and why the parents came to Australia and why and when they returned to England.
Tough call but I have faith in the enquiry.
Thomas eventually dies in an accident on Sept 6th 1932 while living in Sydney.
I hope these facts relate to the same person.
Thanks
Alan
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New South Wales Australia assisted passenger immigrant list has the following in 1883
Ship "Lochee"
Robert Simister 35 bricklayer from Yorkshire
Eliza 25
Emma 4
Harry 2
Arrival date 19 May 1883 - when was Thomas born that year?
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The 1901 census in England has a 2 year old daughter Ann born in Australia so they must have returned 1899-1901.
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They arrived in UK on the Omrah in May 1899. "Mr Sinister", wife, and family (including Harry, Thomas, George, Lily and Eliza). The ages of the children seem to have got a bit mixed up in the passenger manifest.
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Thanks for the quick replies. Cant tell you the exact date of Thomas' birth. The NSW certificate has not yet been purchased.
Any suggestions as to what father Robert may have been doing in Australia ? Moving the family from England to Australia and back again seems me a big task around 1899.
Alan
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It does seem a huge effort to move countries. You would generally expect them to have emigrated for work or “opportunities”, though there could be any number of reasons. As a bricklayer he could have been brought to Australia by an employer to work on a specific project if there was a lack of skilled labour in Australia, and possibly returned at the end of his contract. Perhaps the family simply did not like Australia or were homesick.
Have a look at the family in the 1911 census, which tells you who Robert’s employer is at that time. I can only make out the first word ”Builders” - second word starts with M. I don’t know if it will give you any clues though. It also gives places of birth if you haven’t already found Robert and Eliza’s origins.
Sometimes the immigration document specifies an employer or sponsor. Have you checked the original?
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Baptisms in Leichhardt, Sydney. Anglican Parish Register.
Thomas Simister. Born: 20 August 1883. Baptised: 23 October 1883.
Parents: Robert and Eliza Simister. Marion Street.
Occupation: bricklayer.
By whom the Ceremony Performed: Thomas Holme.
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Hi,
1885 Sands Post Office Directory
SIMISTER, Robt, bricklayer, Foster St, Lcdt.
(Probably Leichhardt)
Gerry
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Thanks for the new input. Everything helps paint the picture.
Alan
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Thomas was born 20th August 1883 (can do a binary search on dates).
There is a deceased estate at NSW Archives for Thomas Simister which I could photograph next time I am there - but probably not much help in finding why his parents travelled back and forth. https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?keyname_search=simister&id=15
Ros
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Thanks Ros. I did find evidence of the deceased estate when I used Keyname on NSW Records.
This search is on behalf of a friend. If you have the time, I'm sure he would appreciate it.
Alan
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Happy to do so Alan :)
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Assume that you (or your Friend) have the details from the Coroner's inquest following Thomas' death in Sept 6,1932. The details aren't easy to read so wondered what his cause of death was from his death certificate? (assuming that you have it, of course)
Also the death/funeral notices are available on TROVE.
Family Trees on Ancestry have the family listed. Unfortunately not many have correct details - but I guess you knew that already :P
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Would you believe this search originated within the last week. I have the SMH obit of 9th Sep.1932, but have never tried to access a coroner's inquest. Are NSW inquests available online?
Thanks Lady Di.
Alan
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Will the d/c be included with coroner’s or deceased estate documents?
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It is quite possible that the d.c. is included in the deceased estate file, as it is a city, "fairly recent" one. (The earlier rural ones tend to have a statement by a local dignitary that "he has seen the body").
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From the Coroner's Inquest looks like Thomas died of injuries after falling from a scaffold.
Gerry
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Hi
Do you have the details of Thomas's brother George who also returned to Australia?
Sue
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Sorry! No details of any of Thomas' siblings, yet. We only found his birth in Australia this week and tracked back through the 1901 English Census. The family's assumption had always been that he had been born in England. The birth in Australia came as complete surprise.
Alan
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Here is the NSW death of Geoge
SIMISTER George
15830/1955
Parents ROBERT & ELIZA
At WYONG
This Funeral Notice for Thomas mentions him
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246296694
He seems to have married Emmeline.
There are newspaper references including the following.
Engagment notice for a daughter who married in 1941. This daughter, Elsie, was born in Australia.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/27946340
Another daughter engaged in 1943
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17848103
George, born 1886, joined the ww2 forces
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=311792
Sue
ADDING
This looks like the death of George's wife.
SIMISTER Emmeline
35825/1968
Parents SAMUEL & CATHERINE
At PENRITH
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Possibly George arrived in advance of Emmeline
George SIMISTER
Age 27
born abt 1885
Departure Date 20 Dec 1912
Port of Departure London, England
Destination Port Sydney, Australia
Ship Orvieto
Occupation Miner
Mrs Emmeline SIMISTER
Age 28
Born abt 1886
Departure Date 30 Jan 1914
Port of Departure London, England
Destination Port Sydney, Australia
Ship Norseman
Housewife
She came with Edith aged 4 who was one of the daughters mentioned above.EDIT Adding now ;D
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16598156?
Sue
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A news snip from when the couple were in Victoria, gives Robert’s employment details at that time. 1892. The paper was local to Coburg, close to Brunswick where Ann, Eliza and Lily were born.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/66900574
Sue
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Hi,
A George SIMISTER, 29, born in Leichhardt, miner, married, enlisted into the 1st AIF 5th November 1915.
Gerry
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A great result and still growing! A week ago this story didn't exist. I have sent all your info to my friend, who is the grandson of Thomas Simister.
He is going away tonight for about ten days touring NSW. Keep the info flowing, but I won't respond until he arrives home.
Appreciate your efforts.
Alan
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Hi,
Sands Sydney Directory 1890
SIMISTER, Robert, bricklayer, 132, Flood st, Leichhardt.
Sands Melbourne Directory 1896
SIMISTER, Robert, 125, Albion st, east, Bk.
Sands Melbourne Directory 1897
SIMISTER, Robert, 125, Albion st, east, Bk.
Sands Melbourne Directory 1898
SIMISTER, Robert, 143 Mitchell st, BK.
Sands Melbourne Directory 1899
SIMISTER, Robert, 138 Barrow st, North Bk.
Gerry
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Emmeline's death notice from SMH 25 June 1968.
Poorly digitised ... I'll check google news archives. [ adding : no not available ]
adding : There is a probate packet which I can photograph https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1278591
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Here is George SIMISTER's death notice from SMH from 2 June 1955
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Here is Dorothy BUSSELL's death notice from SMH 21 Feb 2017. (She was wife of Frederick as in engagement notice found by Sue and children match the grandchildren of George).
Poorly digitised again ... or perhaps it's my eyesight :(
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Dorothy's husband Frederick's death notice
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Sorry posted on wrong thread
Deleted ;)
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Had me confused , worried and looking to the sky !!!
Thanks, you are still a legend
Alan
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Aussie 1947,
How do I get access to the Coroner's Report re falling from the scaffold in 1932 ?
Thanks
Alan
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My friend has returned.We sat together in my kitchen today and absorbed your information. He, and I, thank you deeply. It was all relevant.
I sent him home to spread it all out, and to think where he wants to go next.
A work in progress!
Alan
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Aussie1947,
Thanks, your pm much appreciated.
Alan
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Ros,
Just had a very quick glance at the info. on your last pm to me. Looks fantastic.!!
A million thanks !! I will get into it in depth tonight.
Then I will contact Thomas Simister's grandson and show him the good news.
Again, Thanks!
Alan
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Ros,
With respect, is there anything more to come on the Simister line ? Or shall I dig elsewhere ? Not sure where !!
Thanks
Alan
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Hi Alan,
I have just been reading through the thread to refresh my memory. And I realised that I neglected to photograph Emmeline's probate packet. Sorry - I've added it to my list now.
Were there any other probates or divorces or deceased estates in the light of the death notices or elsewhere, that you would like? https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Ros
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Thanks for your help.
No other request at this time.
Alan
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Don't know if your friend is interested but it's an unusual surname and looking up the White pages (phone directory) there seem to be only 7 entries for the whole of Australia.
https://www.whitepages.com.au/residential
Just put the surname in, no need to know initials or location.
Judith
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It all helps and I try everything.
Thank you
Alan