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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Adam81 on Thursday 21 March 19 01:16 GMT (UK)
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Hello All,
I am looking for an ancestor in Prussian military in 1795. He was a musketeer in Generała von Rytz regiment, von Balvin company, Brieg garrison. He most likely got married before 1795 and died before year 1803. The Brieg was a city then Kingdom of Prussia and now in Poland. Perhaps some military enthusiast could help me with finding the number of this regiment? Then I could locate it's military church records.
Only other information I managed to find is that the possible commander of the company Major Wilhelm Jarolsaw von Balvin died in Brieg in 1797.
https://books.google.pl/books?id=G9kEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false (https://books.google.pl/books?id=G9kEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false)
Many thanks
Adam
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Hi Adam,
the Military Kirchenbücher for Brieg were filmed by the Mormons and are available at Family History Centers.
FamilySearch Catalog: Kirchenbuch, 1723-1944 — FamilySearch.org
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/227812
Kirchenbuch, 1723-1944. Authors: Evangelische Kirche. Militärgemeinde Brieg (StKr. ... Military parish registers of baptisms, marriages, and deaths for Brieg
Hope this helps, regards Peonie
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Peonie. Many thanks. I managed to find a marriage record of my ancestors in the catholic church in Brieg ( there is no info about the church name). Could any one help me to decipher it, please?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YaYTI8Rpr_rbYxWhmc-oqFWWy4C3YjYg/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d3zvYeI7QsRXU_hKtIQmbCxABC_BvHiI/view?usp=drivesdk
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my two cents
9 Febr. wurde Copuliert der Mousq(uetier). Peter
Wanckermann hiesige Regiments Rütz
v. der Comp(agnie) Balwin mit seiner verlobten
Braut Jungfrau Johanna des Gärtners
Vallentien Schroeder aus Briesen ehe-
leibliche Tochter. Zeugen wahren 1 Johann
Misnaßky Mous(quetier) 2 Leonhart Oynofski?
Mous(quetier) - Johann Barisch Caplan
On the 9th Febuary Peter Wanckermann, Musketeer in the Regiment von Rütz, company of Balwin marred the spinster, his fiancee, Johanna, the legitimate daughter of the gardener Vallentien Schröder from Briesen.
Witnesses were
1 Johann Misnaßky, Musketeer
2 Leonhart Oynofski?, Musketeer
Johann Barisch, chaplain
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Davecapps many thanks. Would you also be able to decipher the place of death on the right hand side of death certificate?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1d3zvYeI7QsRXU_hKtIQmbCxABC_BvHiI/view?usp=drivesdk
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I can't open the document without registering by google
Any chance of a screenshot
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Sorry about that. It should work now.
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are you sure that is the place of death,
looks like a name to me
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There were 60 numbered musketeer regiments, also known by their colonels in chief, ie von Rytz. I have the complete Prussian Army organisation lists for 1806. There is no von Rytz, presumably he had died recently and been replaced. Someone has been asking about the same matter on a Austro-Hungarian Army Site.
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are you sure that is the place of death,
looks like a name to me
Similar annotations at the full page show places like Oppeln or Stoberau
so I assumed it's a place.
See the full page:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OERhCCpOmYJk2dLBsU8YpLo_NOeKG7-I/view?usp=drivesdk
There were 60 numbered musketeer regiments, also known by their colonels in chief, ie von Rytz. I have the complete Prussian Army organisation lists for 1806. There is no von Rytz, presumably he had died recently and been replaced. Someone has been asking about the same matter on a Austro-Hungarian Army Site.
I found a Friedrich Jakob von Ruits (Rüts) on a German Wikipedia:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Leopold_von_Ruits
His regiment was at the time most likely Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 28 (previously von Gentzkow) sinse 1792. Do you have any information about this regiment?
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Similar annotations at the full page show places like Oppeln or Stoberau
so I assumed it's a place.
See the full page:
If you look at the side notations, you will see that they all start with a D.
this is the abbrieviation for Dominus = priest or clergyman.
Following that you see the surname.
These are the names of the priests who performed the church ceremonies
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Afraid not Adam. Tried to find detailed order of battle for Valmy 1792. Couldn't find one.
You found Link to his life and career, retirement, pension and death in 1811.
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Dave I think Adam is right. Some Musketeers have a note D ...., others have not. Is it possible that death in Brieg are no notation, but others, perhaps fallen in battle, have noted where they died. But what could the D stand for?
Regards Peonie
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Here is the history and battles of the Regiment 28 - in German
http://www.preussenweb.de/regiment2.htm
Regards Peonie
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Hi Peonie, yes you (and Adam) were right.
An ask around and a closer look shows that:
1. they are place names
2. these are not deaths. They are marriage proclaimations
Peter Wanckermann Mousqu.
von des H. M. v. Balwin C. mit Jgfr.
Johanna Schroedern eines Gärtners
Tochter aus Repten Tarnowitzen Go(ry)
D. Schl. K.
Peter Wanckermann Musketeer
from the H. M. v. Balwin C(ompany) with spinster
Johanna Schroedern a gardeners daughter from Repten, Tarnowitzen Go(ry)
The town of Tarnwitz, had a district called Repty Śląskie (German: Repten)
The abbreviation D.
D. = Dimissiorale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimissorial_letters
or D. = Dorf (Village)
The abbreviation Schl. K.
Schl. K. Could be the abbreiviation for Schlosskirche – castle church
There was a church in Brieg called „St.-Hedwig-Schlosskirche“
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20929007
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnowskie_G%C3%B3ry
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repty_%C5%9Al%C4%85skie
Dave
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Here a few of the other places mentioned on that page
Mangschütz
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20134004
K/Conradswaldau
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/11040033
K/Carlsmarkt
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10932066
Klein Oels
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10996001
Stoberau
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20881085#
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Here is the history and battles of the Regiment 28 - in German
http://www.preussenweb.de/regiment2.htm
Regards Peonie
Many thanks for that. Finally some detailed information about the regiment!
The other mystery is the birth place of the Musketeer Wanckermann. Was he recruited to reg.28 from Brieg or somewhere else? Why the marriage took place 120km from Jungfrau's parish?
Hi Peonie, yes you (and Adam) were right.
An ask around and a closer look shows that:
1. they are place names
2. these are not deaths. They are marriage proclaimations
Peter Wanckermann Mousqu.
von des H. M. v. Balwin C. mit Jgfr.
Johanna Schroedern eines Gärtners
Tochter aus Repten Tarnowitzen Go(ry)
D. Schl. K.
Peter Wanckermann Musketeer
from the H. M. v. Balwin C(ompany) with spinster
Johanna Schroedern a gardeners daughter from Repten, Tarnowitzen Go(ry)
The town of Tarnwitz, had a district called Repty Śląskie (German: Repten)
The abbreviation D.
D. = Dimissiorale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimissorial_letters
or D. = Dorf (Village)
The abbreviation Schl. K.
Schl. K. Could be the abbreiviation for Schlosskirche – castle church
There was a church in Brieg called „St.-Hedwig-Schlosskirche“
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20929007
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnowskie_G%C3%B3ry
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repty_%C5%9Al%C4%85skie
Dave
Dave many thanks for the research! It is a great help. You are right about the Repten- my last known ancestors were born there with a slightly different surname: Wackermann.
It is also possible that you are wright about the castle church:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Jadwiga%27s_Church,_Brzeg
The previous marriage cert was found in FS archives in Katholische Kirche Brieg (StKr. Brieg). Looking further into the marriage book I found a page with a cross out name: St. Hedwig zu Brieg so this looks like a same church.
However the dates are not quite wright. I thought the banns (11 Feb 1794) should be before the marriage itself (9 Feb 1794)?
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There is a free E book available. „Kurzgefasste Stamm- und Rangliste aller Regimenter der Königlich-Preußischen Armee“
On page 52 it details the uniform worn by the soldiers of Regiment 28 . The Book finishes 1785. there is quite a lot available on the net if you enter in German.
Regards Peonie
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Peonie, many thanks.
This gets interesting. I managed to find information that von Ruits regiment was involved in the war against Kosciuszko Uprasing in 1794. He apparently took five battalions from Silesia and took over the city of Krakow.
https://books.google.pl/books?id=ql08AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA86&dq=von+Ruits+AND+Kosciuszko&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK0PHv2NnhAhXipIsKHa_1AAEQ6AEIaTAJ#v=onepage&q=Ruits&f=false
In some other book I red von Ruits stationed in Bytom so very near Repten.
I wonder whether my ancestor met his future wife there and then they married in Brieg garrison?
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Hi Adam,
It really is interesting, googling Wanckermann turns only your Posts up. The only exception is an article in Spanish about Jesuits in Peru and Chile . There is a Karl (Carlos) Wanckermann, surgeon.
https://www.scribd.com/document/363658286/Marza-Bacigalupo-Los-Jesuitas-y-la-modernidad-en-Iberoamerica-1549-1773-pdf
Hopefully it mentions where he is from.
Regards Peonie
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For those that don't know, this was part of the 3rd Partition (1st 1772) of Poland 1795 between Russia, Prussia and Austria. Poland disappeared from the map of Europe until 1918 except for the short lived Grand Duchy of Warsaw instituted by Napoleon.
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Peonie.
Yes Wanckermann is a very rare surname. I believe though it's a variation of Wackermann/ Wakerman one. All of the ancestors with this surname were roman-catholics.
The Charles/Carl Wanckermann was born in Bamberg (al. München) on 30. Aug. 1723. This may be some clue.
I also found information that Regiment me.28 recruited from Brieg, Ohlau and Kreuzburg areas. Perhaps Wanckermann amigrated to Silesia after Silesian wars in 1741 between Austria and Prussia?
Regorian
You are correct.
This was a very sad time period for Poland.
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Yes, Adam. War of the Austrian Succession, 1740 to 1748, 1741 to 1748 for GB. We took the side of Austria and Maria Theresa, so opposed to Prussia. Led to Seven Years war 1756 to 1763, GB and Prussia vs the Rest. Our most successful war with far reaching consequences, 1759, the Year of Victories in Canada and India. Also in Europe against France.