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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: greenfarmer on Saturday 23 March 19 12:44 GMT (UK)
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Above an old doorway in Ballygally Castle hotel in Co. Antrim are the below crests with the initials IS & IB and an inscription "Godis Providens is Myn Inheritans" dated 1625.
The castle was built by descendants of the Shaws of Greenock/Sauchie as the arms on the left would indicate (John or James Shaw). The arms on the right are supposed to be those of Isabella Brisbane, daughter of John Brisbane of Bishopton who married James Shaw. However the arms on the right do not seem to belong to the Brisbane family.
From what I can see, there appear to be 2 billets over a hunting horn with 1 billet in base. I have searched high and low for anything resembling these arms.
Any thoughts anyone?
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https://www.scotclans.com/scottish-clans/clan-brisbane/brisbane-coat-of-arms/
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Thanks Hallmark,
I suppose the billets could be vertical cushions, your link shows them horizontal (perhaps they didn't bother about positioning cushions in those early days!), and that your link shows the Brisbane arms from a later date with the chequy chevron referring to the Sempil family (Isabella's grandmother's family).
The hunting horn might also refer to the sempils who have 3 bugles as well as the chequy chevron.
Still not sure.
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GF, Letters of Denization 9th Feb 1624 John Shaw of Ballygelly & Elizabeth Brisbane. I think you can assume this is a Shaw/Brisbane armorial. The Semple's were neighbours of the Brisbane's in Renfrewshire. The Scottish Register of Arms is dated 1672 & folk just used their imagination before that?
Skoosh
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Skoosh,
Yep, seen the letters of Denization. James and John Shaw of Ballygally described as farmers (presumably sons of John Shaw and Elizabeth Brisbane), received denization on same date as well as several others living in that part of Antrim - see Patrick Tullus below.
The Shaws and Brisbanes must have been quite inbred as James Shaw married Isabella Brisbane, and their eldest son James married Elizabeth Brisbane his cousin (contract of marriage 1657 with the proviso he took the name and arms of Brisbane along with £20,000 scots money as dowry).
There is the possibility that the farmers James & John Shaw were not the sons of John & Elizabeth Brisbane, but related to those of Lethangie in Kinross and therefore cousins. There are records of Jean Shaw, daughter & heir of John Shaw of Lathangie married to Patrick Tullus of Corkermaine.
Patrick Tullus(clerk of Ramoan) received denization on the same date as the Ballygally Shaws, Corkermaine townland is contiguous to Ballygally.
Sorry, going slightly off topic.