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Title: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: craigashton68 on Sunday 24 March 19 11:23 GMT (UK)
I'm looking for any further info on the mother of the following person if anybody can help?

Fanny Eyrl - born 1860 in Thrussington, Leicestersire.
married Henry Chamberlain born 1857 and had 5 children with him.
i have found her father i think - William Eyrl born 1843 in Thrussington
But i can't find any link to her mother at all (other than a hint her mother was possibly called Lucy but that could be wrong)
Thanks
Craig
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 24 March 19 11:31 GMT (UK)
Did you get her fathers name as William from her marriage certificate.  What was his occupation
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: craigashton68 on Sunday 24 March 19 11:33 GMT (UK)
i am now doubting her fathers name as i can't find any concrete link, i think I'm guessing at William being the father through some kind of wrong doing in the family..
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 24 March 19 11:35 GMT (UK)
Could this be her birth registration
EYRL, FANNY       (no mothers maiden surname) 
GRO Reference: 1860  March Quarter in BARROW UPON SOAR  Volume 07A  Page 136
 
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 24 March 19 11:36 GMT (UK)
Marriage image is on FindMyPast - she is stated as Illegitimate, no fathers name given.  Witness Thomas Eyrl

ADDED 1871 she is grandaughter of Thomas & Lucy Eyrl
RG10/3262 f62 p8
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: craigashton68 on Sunday 24 March 19 11:45 GMT (UK)
yes and 1881 she still lives with her grandparents. i seem to think there was a brother/sister coming together and she was the resulting child
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 24 March 19 11:51 GMT (UK)
i seem to think there was a brother/sister coming together and she was the resulting child

Why would you think that  ::) 

If you purchase the birth certificate you will see who the mother is.

Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: craigashton68 on Sunday 24 March 19 12:05 GMT (UK)
clutching at straws really and the only assumption that i can come up with
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 24 March 19 12:17 GMT (UK)
Thrussington parish register images are online and there is no evidence of a baptism for Fanny.  It seems the only way is the birth certificate.   Sometimes there are bastardy orders but you are lucky to find those.
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: craigashton68 on Sunday 24 March 19 17:01 GMT (UK)
i might have to do just that as information is very limited on her
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 25 March 19 22:13 GMT (UK)
I see no reason to leap to the conclusion that Fanny was the product of an incestuous relationship. It’s not imposssible, of course, but straightforward illegitimacy was pretty common.

Anyhow, looking at the 1851 census, the Eyrl family included the following:

Thomas, head, age 38, ag lab
Lucy, wife, age 32
Elizabeth, daughter, age 10
William, son, age 7
Lucy, daughter, age 4
Tom, son, age 2

There is the marriage of an Elizabeth Eyrl in Barrow in 1858; if it weren’t for this I would assume that Elizabeth was probably Fanny’s mother. Interestingly another child called Fanny Eyrl was born and died in Barrow in 1856-1858, and it’s such an odd name I’d be surprised if they weren’t connected.

Edited to add : Fanny b 1856 seems to have been Thomas and Lucy’s child. They had other older children too; Mary, b 1836, was unmarried and working as a servant in 1861; another possible candidate for Fanny’s mum?

Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: DCB on Tuesday 26 March 19 10:03 GMT (UK)
The hint about Lucy might be correct, although she would only have been 13-14 at the time. In 1861, she and brother Tom were at home, with Fanny described as 'daughter in law'. In 1868 she married George William Naylor and lived in Preston, Rutland, until her death in 1925.

Perhaps the reason of no baptism was the age of Lucy?

Mary, the other possibility, was buried in Thrussington on 20th August 1861.

Only guessing and, as pointed out, the birth certificate should answer the question.

David
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 26 March 19 10:42 GMT (UK)
There was another daughter of Thomas & Lucy -  Ann baptised 21 May 1835.
It looks as though she married when she was 17 - 12 Apr 1852 to Ward Norwell
Ward Norwell has his children with him in 1861 but no wife though he says he was married. Again in 1871 he is married but no wife there.

There was an Ann Eyrl of Thrussington who married in Melborne Australia (Stamford Mercury 29 November 1861) apparently the marriage was 4th May 1861 - she married C W Leggett.
Was she Thomas's daughter - Maybe she was Fanny's mother.  (There was also another Ann Eyrl who was baptised the year befor Thomas's Ann, the illegitimate daughter of Martha but she died in infancy.)

If you get the certificate please let us know who did give birth to Fanny.
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: Annie65115 on Tuesday 26 March 19 12:43 GMT (UK)
without looking at all the online registers again, I remember that last night I saw another Eyrl baptism in the mid 1860s, an illegitimate child with Lucy as mother.

Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 26 March 19 13:29 GMT (UK)
It was in 1865 - Mary Ann daughter of Lucy.  By that time Thomas & Lucy's dtr Lucy would have been 18
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: craigashton68 on Tuesday 26 March 19 15:12 GMT (UK)
just ordered the birth cert and will post results when i have them. i'm glad you guys are as confused as i was  :)
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: Bunnygirl on Tuesday 26 March 19 20:55 GMT (UK)
Hi
There are a few burials for Thrussington on NBI
Lucy daughter of Thomas & Lucy burial 26 Oct 1842 infant
Frances daughter of Thomas & Lucy burial 1 Sept 1851 infant
William son of Martha burial 27 Aug 1842 infant
Mary Ann daughter of Lucy burial 5 July 1865
Lucy (sen) wife of Thomas burial 13 Nov 1874 aged 56yrs so born about 1818.

So that leaves Mary b 1836, Ann born 1835 or Elizabeth born 1840.

Bunnygirl   
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 27 March 19 07:14 GMT (UK)

So that leaves Mary b 1836, Ann born 1835 or Elizabeth born 1840.

Bunnygirl

They had another daughter Lucy (mentioned earlier) who was born 1847 who is also a contender though she would only have been 14.
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: jonw65 on Wednesday 27 March 19 08:51 GMT (UK)
Henry was baptized Thrussington 1838 to Thomas and Lucy
If anyone was wondering what happened to him
http://record-office-catalogue.leics.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=DE1633

Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: craigashton68 on Monday 01 April 19 09:06 BST (UK)
The results are in-
Birth certificate shows Fanny being born 14 Jan 1860 and the mother named as Mary Eyrl
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 01 April 19 09:14 BST (UK)
Excellent
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 01 April 19 11:52 BST (UK)
Probably the burial mentioned by DCB of Mary Eyrl age 24 at Thrussington 20 August 1861  :'(
Title: Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 01 April 19 12:22 BST (UK)
 ;D