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Title: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Westee on Monday 25 March 19 19:57 GMT (UK)
Trying to find when she arrived in New Zealand, probably Wellington - the date probably between June 1873 and Sept. 1873.  She may have travelled with another passengers Larsen or Petersen. 
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 25 March 19 22:06 GMT (UK)
Have you searched through all these links Westee?

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~nzbound/genealogy/lists.htm
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 25 March 19 22:14 GMT (UK)
FWIW the Danish Demographic Database lists only one person with that specific surname spelling arriving to NZ. 

The arrival was 1873 and the male was Swedish.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nko/
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 25 March 19 22:21 GMT (UK)
The Petone Settlers Museum holds no records of a FRANSEN, arriving in Wellington.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nkp/

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This database lets users access primary and secondary source data relating to arrivals from the United Kingdom, parts of Europe and Australia to Wellington (Wellington only and Wellington as first port of call) between 1839-1897.

There is however one entry for a FRANTZEN family arriving 1890:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nkq/
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 25 March 19 22:24 GMT (UK)
Westee, did she come from Denmark to New Zealand?  Do you have the 'exit' entry for the town where she lived?  Are you able to give a little more context please?
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 25 March 19 22:27 GMT (UK)
General side note - her marriage in 1875:

1875/101   Amelia Corlina Alexander   Fransen   Matthew William   Merrygold
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 25 March 19 22:40 GMT (UK)
Westee's post re marriage of this gentleman as I understand it:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=809999.0
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Westee on Monday 25 March 19 22:45 GMT (UK)
Yes, I have all her details re marriages, but was hoping to find her arrival in New Zealand.  I have looked fairly thoroughly but no luck so far.
She may have paid her own way out here - or been a servant for someone on board in which case neither would show her name, unfortunately. I thought a post might give me some more information. Tks for your help.
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Dundee on Monday 25 March 19 23:00 GMT (UK)
Possibly this one, there is also a Christine LARSEN on board.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-69Z3-14D

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Westee on Monday 25 March 19 23:44 GMT (UK)
Oh, yes yes yes.  This will be her.  She had a friend Petersen and there on the previous page are three Petersen young ladies.  Also she had some interaction with a Larsen in 1874 - someone assaulted someone - and so there are the three ladies on the same ship.  I am so excited.  How wonderful.  Can't thank you enough.
Gail
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Westee on Wednesday 10 April 19 10:38 BST (UK)
Have obtained the ship 'Libra' she left on from Hamburg.  Her last address was Vivild, Denmark. Was with several others from Vivild.
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 10 April 19 22:45 BST (UK)
Is  she "Amelia E. FRANSEN" then ??

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18740813.2.10

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 10 April 19 23:01 BST (UK)
Petone Settlers Database :

Caroline E. FRANDSEN - aged 18 years - Ship:  "Halcione" - arrived Wellington - 14/7/1873.

http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=42507&SearchString=Frand

[There may be spelling variations, but you should be able to find also at this link, details for her PETERSEN / LARSEN associates who were also aboard the "Halcione". ]

    ~ Lu
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Westee on Thursday 11 April 19 01:08 BST (UK)
Have you noticed they have "m" instead of "f" for female.  I have alterted and asked that they change the database record, but say that they can't do it - just that they will make a note of it.

Well, her name is a bit of a conundrum but because truly believe that the "E" may have been anglicized to mean 'Amelia'.  She always used the name Caroline or Corlina (in some cases) Her intentions to marry also telly well with this arrival on Halcione, and other info as well.  So pretty darn sure this is her.  Will keep an open mind, and will continue looking for any other updates. 

Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Westee on Thursday 11 April 19 01:20 BST (UK)
Her intentions to marry in 1875 said she had been in the country 18 months.  So that tallys as well. 
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Westee on Thursday 11 April 19 01:22 BST (UK)
It's the only 'Fransen' or 'Frandsen' that is found within that timeframe, and the name is so easily manipulated in English.  I think it is definitely her - but as I said will keep an open mind.
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 11 April 19 01:25 BST (UK)
Hi ... I agree - seems most likely to be the Amelia Carolina/Caroline, you seek.    ;)

Was really just alerting you to the  "other records" - because of course there can be errors in spelling of names etc.  (particularly foreign names).   But I see you are "on to that".   ;D

And I'd agree the use of "Emilia / Emillie / Emily" (however spelled) was often substituted for "Amelia / Amelie" etc.

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Amelia Carolina Alexandra Fransen b. 1852-1857 Denmark
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 11 April 19 01:27 BST (UK)
....   your second message rolled in just as I was posting my earlier reply (so covers what I'd already said).   ;D

   ~  Lu