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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Donches on Wednesday 03 April 19 15:15 BST (UK)
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I have been unable to find any record of the deaths of my great great grandparents, John Judson, born 1795 and Hannah née Sutton, born 1793. Both were born and lived in Nantwich, Cheshire. They do not appear in the 1841 census, and the last record of them is at the birth of their youngest child in 1828. There was a typhoid epidemic in Nantwich in 1840 and I wonder if they died in that, although the burial of some victims were recorded, and their deaths should have been registered. (I realise that some events were not recorded in the early days of the General Register). I have not been able to find any record of them, or their deaths, elsewhere, and I think it unlikely that they would have left their three children, who were recorded in Nantwich in the 1841 census. Some typhoid victims were treated in the Nantwich workhouse, but unfortunately records have not survived.
I would appreciate comments.
Don
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Civil Registration didn't start until 1837 so quite probably died late 20's - early 30's.
There are other scenarios other than both dying.
It's possible she died shortly after birth & he left the children with family never to return.
It's possible he died & she remarried & left the children.
Who were the children with in 1841?
Were they together or spread around the family?
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No trace of a death for John & Hannah but did find this below.
Mary Ann Judgson
Mother Hannah Judgson
Father John Judgson
1822 Death about 1834
Colin
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There is a Christening for a Mary Ann Judson Nantwich, Cheshire 14/11/1821 parents John & Hannah Judson, Fathers occupation Cordwainer.
Then I found a burial for Mary Ann Judgson age 12 in Nantwich 1/3/1834 Parents John & Hannah Judgson. Could this be the same girl with the parents you are looking for? Perhaps a misinterpretation of the surname.
There is also a Christened for Henry Judson 28/1/1820 Parents John & Hannah Judson.
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I haven't followed this long enough to be absolutely sure it's your Hannah, BUT it looks like a possiblity:
In the 1841 census, two of their children, Henry, and John, are living with a cordwainer William Farmer and wife Hannah.
There is a marriage in 1835 Manchester for a widowed William Farmer, shoemaker, and widow Hannah Judson.
There is a death for a Hannah Farmer in 1845, but the GRO indicates an age of 59, so not her.
There is a marriage for William Farmer's daughter, Hannah Farmer, in 1847 to Henry Murray, and in the 1851 census, this Henry and Hannah are living in Manchester, with some Farmers, occupation shoemakers, living with them, described as brothers -in-laws. The marriage parish record does not indicate if William is deceased.
So in summary, John died prior to 1835. Hannah remarried William Farmer in 1835, and her sons are with her in 1841. I have not yet located William and Hannah in 1851 census, assuming they are still alive.
It needs more poking around to see if it holds water, but it could very well be your Hannah.
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No trace of a death for John & Hannah but did find this below.
Mary Ann Judgson
Mother Hannah Judgson
Father John Judgson
1822 Death about 1834
Colin
Where did you find that information?
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Following on from bbart's post there is a burial for the Hannah Farmer identified in Nantwich 31 Oct 1845 - it states " wife of William Farmer" and gives an abode of Wall Lane, Nantwich- this is the same street where William and Hannah Farmer are found in the 1841 census. The only thing "out" is her age.
William
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Following on from bbart's post there is a burial for the Hannah Farmer identified in Nantwich 31 Oct 1845 - it states " wife of William Farmer" and gives an abode of Wall Lane, Nantwich- this is the same street where William and Hannah Farmer are found in the 1841 census. The only thing "out" is her age.
William
That sounds promising. Depending on who was informant, the age might have been a best guess.
Either John Judson didn't get buried in Nantwich, as the records are quite complete for the time, OR, the front of the 1830 burial book indicates some damaged pages, and he happened to be on one of those. >:(
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couldn't find Johns baptism on CPRDb
in case you don't have HANNAHS
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KEYCODE NANTC04800520.20402
PADVER nantC0520.2
PARISH_CODE NANT
TAGGED 0
DATED 7931121
FORENAME HANNAH
SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME THOMAS
MOTHER_FORENAME ELIZTH
SURNAME SUTTON
OCCUPATION LABOURER
DATE_OF_BIRTH 7931026
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possible for parents marriage - Thomas and Elizabeth
DATED 7910912
GROOM_FNAME THOMAS
GROOM_SNAME SUTTON
GROOM_STATUS BA
GROOM_OCCUPATION FARMER
GROOM_RESID BUNBP
GROOM_SIGN S
BANNS LC
BRIDE_FNAME ELIZABETH
BRIDE_SNAME JONES
BRIDE_STATUS SP
BRIDE_RESID BUNBP
BRIDE_SIGN S
W_FNAME_1 WILLM
W_SNAME_1 JONES
W_FNAME_2 PETER
W_SNAME_2 YOUNG
7 miles from Bunbury to Nantwich - as I say - just a possible
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A marvellous response to my post - more than I expected.
John's baptism is recorded as John Judgson, half of the Judsons in Nantwich were recorded with this spelling for some reason, I did have the information for daughter Mary Ann.
I'm pretty sure that bbart has solved the major part of the mystery by seeing the possible connection of Hannah Farmer to Hannah Judson, something that I had not spotted before. I'm sure that the marriage in Manchester is them. I've come across several marriages of Nantwich couples in Manchester before. I think it might have been because the Nantwich shoemakers used to travel there to sell their footwear, although some might have been to avoid attention. I now remember that I had a prayer book with a Farmer inscription.
I also think that the burial of Hannah Farmer is that of my great great grandmother, even though the age doesn't tally with her baptism. Ages given at burials were notoriously inaccurate, although it is possible she had a late baptism.
The re-marriage of Hannah in 1835 does make John's death to be before registration, and the most likely explanation ot the absence of a record of his burial is that the entry was on a damaged page.
I'm extremely grateful for all the responses which have solved one of my family history mysteries.
Don