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Title: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: paulsue38 on Thursday 04 April 19 10:25 BST (UK)
In the diary entry from a relative in 1843 it describes a Sailing ship called. 'The Malcolm' arriving in Liverpool.
On the 1st May it left with the 'ensign' flying and on 22nd June again left Liverpool for Port Adelaide.
Does anyone know anything about this ship ?
Best wishes
Paul
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 04 April 19 10:52 BST (UK)
message "Seaweed"   he is a member who specialises in these queries   - good luck - I will have a look at "Old Merseytimes"   a site of old Liverpool Newspapers - in fact - have a look yourself as well - very interesting  :)
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: paulsue38 on Thursday 04 April 19 13:03 BST (UK)
Many thanks for replying. I will have a look.
Best wishes
Paul
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 04 April 19 13:16 BST (UK)
just a thought - I couldn't find The Malcom - but I did find the David Malcom - do you think the "Malcom " was a shortened version of its proper name ?

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/davidmalcolm1849.shtml
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 04 April 19 13:21 BST (UK)
the "David Malcom " was a Convict Ship

David Malcolm
One voyage only
Male convicts on board
Departure Port:      Downs   Departure Date:      13 May 1845
Arrival Port:      Norfolk Island   Arrival Date:      25 Aug 1845

Convicts landed: 220 NI

Sources:
Archives Office of Tasmania, Guide to Convict Records by Ship Reference.
Bateson, Charles, The Convict Ships 1787-1868, Brown, Son & Ferguson Ltd 1985.
Newspaper report The Shipping Gazette & Sydney General Trade List, Saturday 20 Sep 1845, p238.

Convicts on board listed by Researchers

ALLFORD John (ship to NI)
BANKS Joseph aka William BODDINGTON
BODDINGTON William aka Joseph BANKS
BURRIDGE John
HAMER Joseph
HIBBERD Aaron
HILLS Thomas
LANE Samuel
STAFFORD Phillip
SUCCAMORE William aka Soloman
TAYLOR James
THOMAS Theophilus
TURFREY William Edward
TURFREY William Edward
TURVEY Joseph
TURVEY Samuel
plus some more = couldn't copy and paste all of it  :)
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 04 April 19 13:29 BST (UK)
no record of Malcom leaving Liverpool for Port Adelaide 1843 on these records

http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/shipping/mig-sa1.htm
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 04 April 19 13:37 BST (UK)
after extensive search it looks to me like The Malcom was indeed the David Malcom - can't find any record of The Malcom   maybe SEAWEED will post to confirm that or he may find The Malcom ??
 :)
enjoyed that little research though ...
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: paulsue38 on Thursday 04 April 19 13:45 BST (UK)
Thanks for taking the trouble to do the research. It does seem plausible that it is the David Malcolm. The diary was kept by a sailors 'future wife' so its reliability re: dates is open to question.
Best wishes
Paul
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 04 April 19 13:49 BST (UK)
what was the relatives name ??  I am sure there is a "Convicts List " if she is not on that she was obviously a passenger
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: paulsue38 on Thursday 04 April 19 13:57 BST (UK)
No she was not a passenger, she was on shore writing about him departing.
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 04 April 19 14:03 BST (UK)
No she was not a passenger, she was on shore writing about him departing.

ah - OK - did  he ever go back to her ...lol girl in every port ...was she a scouser ?
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: paulsue38 on Thursday 04 April 19 14:37 BST (UK)
She lived in Hoylake. She did eventually marry him and they had 5 kids. Her diary does talk about lots of other suitors pestering her!
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: seaweed on Thursday 04 April 19 15:14 BST (UK)
The Barque DAVID MALCOLM, O/N 14721, 538 tons, was not built until 1845, so not a contender.
There were four vessels entered in Lloyd's Register 1842/43 and 1843/44. One can be discounted as she was only a Coaster. The other three are as follows
MALCOLM Built in 1836, 264 tons, Captain Malcolm, owned by Malcolm's, port of registry Kirkcaldy.
MALCOLM Built in 1840, 224 tons, Captain McFarlan owned by McFarlan POR Stranraer.
MALCOLM Built in 1834 237 tons, Captain Turner, owned by Sim and co, POR Whitehaven.
All three made sailing from Liverpool 1843, Where to I don't know.
You would be advised to look at "Lloyd's List" for the year 1843.
Lloyd's List is available on line at a cost
https://newspaperarchive.com/uk/middlesex/london/london-lloyd-list/
Or for free at these locations.
National Library of Scotland
Lloyd's of London Marine Collection Guildhall Library
National Maritime Museum
Colindale Newspaper Library, Microfilm only
Southampton Central Library
National Library of Australia Microfilm only
No vessel with the name THE MALCOLM
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: paulsue38 on Thursday 04 April 19 15:50 BST (UK)
Many thanks for the information. The Sailor concerned was Jonathon Watson Grisdale who was from Whitehaven originally. He eventually became a customs officer in Hoylake.
Best wishes
Paul
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: seaweed on Thursday 04 April 19 16:55 BST (UK)
Crew Agreements for the various ships are available at the British National Archive. During this period Crew Agreements are catalogued by the vessels POR. The C/A would prove wether or not your man was on board.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4064690

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4064901

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4064849

I would still check out Lloyd's List. You can get a monthly sub for around 16. There are 26 reference's to Malcolm in 1843.
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: garstonite on Friday 05 April 19 07:38 BST (UK)
Thanks Seaweed - I knew you would help ...top man   

Paul - did he become a Customs Officer in Liverpool in later life ?

Baptism: 1 Jun 1855 St Anne Richmond, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jonathan Watson Grisdale - [Child] of Jonathan Watson Grisdale & Mary Caroline
    Abode: Myrtle Street
    Occupation: Custom House Officer
    Baptised by: John James Curate

Myrtle Street was quite affluent
Mary Caroline Thomas -married 1844..
Title: Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
Post by: paulsue38 on Friday 05 April 19 10:01 BST (UK)
Jonathon Watson Grisdale was born in Whitehaven in 1822 (Grisdale's have their origin in Matterdale in the Lakes) He died in 1874. In the 1851 census he is in Little Meols . In the 1871 census he is in Hoylake. He has his in laws living with him. His father in law was superintendent customs officer.
Interestingly in the 1861 census the children are with the grandparents but JWG and his wife are missing. JWG may have been a customs man in Liverpool hence the abode in Myrtle Street. They were married in Church Street Liverpool which is now Top Shop!
Best wishes
Paul Grisdale