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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: COLINBALLINGALL on Thursday 04 April 19 18:27 BST (UK)
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I am interested in the Ogilvie family from Elgin, particularly three brothers William Ogilvie born 1778. James born 1782 and Alexander born 1785, all at Birnie, sons of James Ogilvie and Jannet Adams, married at Birnie 1773, my line is through Alexander who married Margaret Grant in 1811. William and James are proving very elusive, does anyone these two as ancestors?
Colin
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I note that there are a couple of marriages on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
OGILVIE WILLIAM JEAN SHANKS 13/05/1799 Birnie
OGILVIE JAMES JEAN GOW/ 17/02/1801 Birnie
Colin
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Hi Colin
Thank you, I had found William and Jean, and was hopeful, but found them on an Ancestry tree with Williams parents named as George Ogilvie and Isabella Kay.
James and Jean Gow are promising, I have found a James aged 60 on the 1841 census with a Jane Ogilvie aged 45, his year of birth with would be spot on, I cant find him on any other census, or a death for him, he is listed as a carter, for occupation, I found a death on the moray libindex for a mrs Ogilvie widow of James Ogilvie Carrier, in 1848, who could be the right one, but have no way to confirm it.
Colin
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It does seem likely that George was the father of William born 1772.
I cannot find another suitable marriage in Scotland for William 1778, none of the census returns in Scotland seem appropriate but he may have moved on. There is one death record on SP but no detail.
WILLIAM OGILVIE death 26/12/1802 Birnie
JAMES OGILVIE/JEAN GOW seems more likely, children born Elgin
ELSPETH 1802, ALEXANDER 1804, JEAN 1806, JAMES 1809, WILLIAM 1811,
ANN 1813 & MARGARET 1816
Colin
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James and Jean Gow are promising, I have found a James aged 60 on the 1841 census with a Jane Ogilvie aged 45
Adults' ages in the 1841 census were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, and the census date was 7 June 1841. If Jane Ogilvie said in 1841 that she was between 45 and 49 years old, and assuming that she was correct, she would have been born between 8 June 1791 and 7 June 1796. Therefore she cannot be Jean Gow who married in 1801, as even if she was born in 1791 she was not old enough to marry in 1801 or to bear a child in 1802.
So either the census is wrong (you did check the original census on SP, didn't you, to ensure that it isn't a transcription error?) or this Jane Ogilvie isn't Jean Gow.
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I did check the original census, she states her age as 45, james as 60 , his birth date at aged 60 is 1781, so a year out, I wondered at the age difference, the trouble with the 1841 census it doesn't give a relationship . it could be the correct James, but she might not be his wife.
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The only other possibility is its james Ogilvie and janet ker married in 1819, janet/jane? on the 1841 census there is a john Ogilvie aged 15 so born c 1826.... there is a son john born to this couple but in feb 1820. so this census entry could be them, but im still not sure if this is the james im looking for.
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With James age 60 & Jean age 45 is John noted as age 15, his record below.
OGILVIE JOHN JAMES OGILVIE/JEAN GOW 03/05/1823 Elgin
Two x Jean records. Eldest daughter name Elspeth.
GOW JEAN JAMES GOW/ELSPET BATCHIN F 25/07/1784 135/ 40 394 Elgin
GOW JEAN JAMES GOW/ELSPET BATCHIE F 06/10/1776 135/ 40 288 Elgin
Colin
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Hi Colin
I found the younger Jean Gow born 1776 died 3 nov 1779 aged 1 month according to the moray index, it must be 3years 1 month old.
anyway the Jean born 1784 would be a good match for James born 1782, the only thing that worries me is the census age, it clearly says 45 but that could well be a mistake. and you have shown that the young John is more of the age to the census.
Colin
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james as 60 , his birth date at aged 60 is 1781, so a year out
Remember that adults' ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years in 1841.
So if it says 60, this could mean anything from 60 to 64, and if correct would imply a date of birth any time between 8 June 1776 and 7 June 1781.
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I know it could be either of the James Ogilvies, I think I am just going to have to accept I am not going to know for sure.
Colin