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Title: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: JustJean on Sunday 07 April 19 23:12 BST (UK)
I have new but distant DNA reason to believe there could be a connection between two Andersdotter women but not sure if this can be proven.   

I have a Lovisa Andersdotter who was married to Per Mattson in 1859 and had 5 children - Pehr Eric b 1861, Carl Johan b. 1864, Lovisa Wilhelmina b 1867, Johanna Christina b. 1871 and August Edward b. 1874.  The various records show only a birth year for her of 1835 and the place of Ramsberg.  On 1900 census in the US her birth year is recorded as 1836.  We have never been able to document her birth date or her parents names. 

There is another family that may be related.  The marriage is recorded as Katarina Wilhelmina Andersdotter Birth year 1845.  Marriage date 26 Dec 1867 in Ramsberg, Orebro to Jan Fredrik Bergqvist.  They had 3 children - John Erik b. 1868, Lovisa Wilhelmina b. 1873 and Emma Kristina b 1878  before emigrating to the US.

I know it is a longshot but any possibility of finding any new clues that will connect the two?

Any and all advice kindly appreciated!

Best wishes
Jean
Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 08 April 19 07:23 BST (UK)
Sweden was still using patronymics at that time.

So we know that both women had a father named Anders ;D
Andersdotter meaning daughter of Anders.

Unlikely that they were related?
Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: Craclyn on Monday 08 April 19 09:46 BST (UK)
I agree with KGarrad that you cannot assume a relationship based on the patronymic Andersdotter. If you want to search further for your Lovisa you might try: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/ (https://sok.riksarkivet.se/)
Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 08 April 19 11:57 BST (UK)
Hi
Here is Lovisa Andersdotter born Ramsberg 31 March 1836:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nmn/

and

Cathrina Wilhelmina Andersdotter born Ramsberg 28 April 1845:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nmo/

They are both from the same family.
Household Examination Ramsberg 1847:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nmp/


Ian




Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: JustJean on Monday 08 April 19 14:38 BST (UK)
Thank you for the replies!

Ian especially thank you for the links to the images!!

Doing a happy dance here!! :D

Jean
Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 08 April 19 14:55 BST (UK)
I'm just trying to confirm if these are the ones who emigrated. I'll get hopefully back to you with the evidence.

Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: JustJean on Monday 08 April 19 18:53 BST (UK)
You have previously given me the leaving info for Lovisa and her children in a separate thread a few years ago.  They were the Berggren lot that left Sweden one at a time.  Mother Lovisa and daughter Lovisa Wilhelmina ended up together in Aroostook County Maine.  The hopeful sister to Lovisa, Catharine Wilhelmina and family also settled there I believe.  It may not be proveable with records but I think the DNA results are pointing out possibilities.  I am continuing to look for other family members on this side now that I have some family names to work with.  Will appreciate anything further you uncover on your end as always!

Best regards
Jean
Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 08 April 19 23:50 BST (UK)
You have previously given me the leaving info for Lovisa and her children in a separate thread a few years ago.

Yes, I thought some of the names looked familiar.

Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 09 April 19 00:00 BST (UK)
Here is the Bergqvist family in Ramsberg 1877:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nmv/

This is the Bergqvist's emigrating record from 1883:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nmw/

The family's last record from the Household Examination book is unfortunately missing.
Anyway Lovisa's sister did emigrate to America.



Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 10 April 19 08:59 BST (UK)

The hopeful sister to Lovisa, Catharine Wilhelmina and family also settled there I believe.


The 1920 Maine Census in Stockholm, Aroostook shows John F Bergqvist and wife Katharina W Bergqvist:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn0/


Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 10 April 19 09:01 BST (UK)
Here is Jan Fredrik's birth record.
His surname was originally Berg.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn1/


Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 10 April 19 09:03 BST (UK)
This record shows that the minister had written he had changed his surname:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn2/


Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 10 April 19 09:11 BST (UK)
On Ancestry there is a record for a John Frederick Bergqvist in the "Massachusetts, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950".
If this is your Jan then it will probably show where he is from etc.

Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: JustJean on Tuesday 16 April 19 02:35 BST (UK)
Me again  :)

Better than the immigration index John Frederick Bergqvist applied for a passport in 1922 to go to Sweden to visit siblings and also to Denmark and British Isles for travel.  That document states he was naturalized in Maine in 1890 and confirms his father was Anders Berg.

Interesting that one sisters family changed from Berg to Berqvist and one changed from Persson/Persdotter/Peterson to Berggren.  Perhaps others have also made name changes.  Not sure if the Berg root name is significant or coincidental in these two cases.

I would like to try to expand some on the 1847 household of Anders Andersson and Stina Catr Persdotter that you provided the link to the image of.  I have not found marriages yet for any of the other girls besides Lovisa and Catr Wilhelmina.   Not sure how impossible it would be to try to track deaths in Sweden for Anders and his wife Stina or marriages in Sweden for Maja Stina b 1830, Anna b 1841, or Johanna b 1846.  (I am assuming I am reading this handwriting correctly!) 

It looks like Maja Stina Andersdotter left for North America in 1901 from Kopparberg.  She was a widow.

Best wishes
Jean 

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 16 April 19 09:15 BST (UK)

That document states he was naturalized in Maine in 1890 and confirms his father was Anders Berg.
 

Great to know he is the correct John Frederick.

Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 16 April 19 09:15 BST (UK)
Johanna Cathrina died of thrush 22 Apr 1847 in Ramsberg - nr 58:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no2/


Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 16 April 19 10:16 BST (UK)
Here is Stina Catrina Persdotter's death 29 Jan 1855 in Ramsberg. She died of cancer - nr 6:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no3/

The record states that she had 14 children of which only 4 are living.


Ian


Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: JustJean on Tuesday 16 April 19 13:14 BST (UK)

The record states that she had 14 children of which only 4 are living.


Wow that is a high mortality rate.  So based on that it looks like we are only left looking for Anna b. 1841 to find the 4 living.  I am not sure what her middle name is on the 1847 household schedule.  Looks like La - - n ??  Or I suppose by 1855 Anna could be dead and there is one other child out of the household by 1847 still living in 1855.

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 17 April 19 00:20 BST (UK)
Looks like La - - n ?? 

Her name is Anna Lotta. She died 12 March 1859.

Here is the family in 1865 in Ramsberg.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no6/


Ian


Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 17 April 19 00:24 BST (UK)
Here is Anders and family in 1857:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no7/

Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 17 April 19 00:26 BST (UK)
Anders Andersson and family with Jan Fredrik Bergqvist 1871:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no8/


Ian
Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: JustJean on Wednesday 17 April 19 03:16 BST (UK)
Oh my these records certainly fill in the gaps and change the whole story ending!  So many deaths!   

I assume I am reading these correctly in that Johan was the oäkta son of 2nd wife Stina and not Anders?  I can't make out all the writing by his name on the Household Schedule.

Thank you for digging these out for me!

The word for cancer that first wife Stina died from...is that a specific cancer?  I though cancer was written just  "kräfta"??

Jean
Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 17 April 19 08:43 BST (UK)

Thank you for digging these out for me!

The word for cancer that first wife Stina died from...is that a specific cancer?  I though cancer was written just  "kräfta"??


Cheers Jean.

Yes you are right. "Kräfta" is cancer but I cannot make out the whole word........     kräft.....


Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 17 April 19 08:48 BST (UK)


I assume I am reading these correctly in that Johan was the oäkta son of 2nd wife Stina and not Anders?  I can't make out all the writing by his name on the Household Schedule.


Yes, Johan was illegitimate to his second wife.
The writing you can't read says:
Hustruns barn före äktenskap - The wife's child before marriage.


Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 17 April 19 09:04 BST (UK)
This is Anders Andersson's last record from 1880:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no9/

Anders' death record - nr 4. He died of a stroke:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01noa/


Ian

Title: Re: Andersdotter in Ramsberg
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 17 April 19 09:18 BST (UK)
Jan Fredrik Berg with father Anders Larsson Berg and mother Lisa Jansdotter in 1844:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nob/


Ian