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Hello. Trying to track down the marriage of a Willie Eade and Emma King. Willie was born around 1866 and Emma about the same time. They are in the 1901 census with numerous children, William being born first around 1885. His father was Thomas and Mother Elizabeth. He appears to have been born in Paddington as was she. He died in 1908.
I have searched extensively for a marriage record but with no luck. I have used the name Willie (I believe that is birth name) and William. There are a few William Eade/Emma marriages but they don't seem to fit.
Can anyone help please.
Thank you
Mark
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I can see one Willie Eade with wife Emma but he is born c1843 - are these the right children in 1901 or is this another family?
George
Albert
Bessie
Gussie - Augustus - birth record has mothers name King
Ernest
James
Edward
John
Not seeing a marriage for Willie/William and Emma so perhaps they never did marry.
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Thank you - yes that is the right family in 1901. Yes, the age of Willie is transcribed as 58 but I think it is actually 38 (I have the record and it could easily read either of those ages) They are in 1891 census as well with Willie as 28 (and again although I think it looks like 38 as far as I can see it says 28).
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This is possibly George showing as illegitimate:
KING, George Arthur Eade
No mother's maiden name
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 569
Debra :)
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Just after Willie died (you'll need to look it up youself ).
Emma Eade (43) is with children and her mother Emma King
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1881 RG11 1362 44 page 24
Cumberland Villa Willesden
Donald William KING 68 Vocalist/Prof of Music
Emma King 48 Artist / Painter
Sarah A King 26
Emma B King 11
Dora J B King 10
Marian B King 10
John B King 9
Johanna Brownlow Mother in Law 78 W
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Marriage 1867 QJ Hastings 2b 34 Emma BROWNLOW / Donald W KING
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Emma Brownlow King
Birth 1869 QS St Giles 1b 501 Emma Brownlow KING ( mmn Brownlow )
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1881 RG11 1362 44 page 24
Cumberland Villa Willesden
Donald William KING 68 Vocalist/Prof of Music
Emma King 48 Artist / Painter
Sarah A King 26
Emma B King 11
Dora J B King 10
Marian B King 10
John B King 9
Johanna Brownlow Mother in Law 78 W
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Marriage 1867 QJ Hastings 2b 34 Emma BROWNLOW / Donald W KING
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Emma Brownlow King
Birth 1869 QS St Giles 1b 501 Emma Brownlow KING ( mmn Brownlow )
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Emma Brownlow King seems to have died as Emma Brownlow Maddock in Wales in 1905.
She may have married her husband Llywelyn Maddock in Auckland, New Zealand, where a son was born. Shareholder registers show they also spent time in Kandy, Colombo.
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Trying to track down the marriage of a Willie Eade and Emma King.
Willie was born around 1866 and Emma about the same time.
They are in the 1901 census with numerous children, William being born first around 1885.
His father was Thomas and Mother Elizabeth.
He appears to have been born in Paddington as was she.
He died in 1908.
I have searched extensively for a marriage record but with no luck.
Hello Mark - definitely elusive marriage ???
1911 census looking at years married should be around 1884
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW24-S5G
Emma Eade widowed in the household 9 children and
there’s an Emma King age 75 visitor - any relation?
Who were Emma’s parents?
Do you have Emma King on earlier census?
Is this Willie on census ?
1891 RG12; Piece: 25; Folio: 69; Page: 33
William EADE 28 occ Omnibus driver
Emma 26, William 5, George 4, Albert 1 Bessie 9 mths
All born Paddington except Bessie Kensington
Not found William/George birth entry - here are some of the birth entries on GRO index mn KING
EADE, ALBERT LAWRENCE mn KING
1889 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 573
EADE, BESSIE mn KING
1890 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 120
EADE, AUGUSTUS mn KING
1891 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 101
1881 RG11; Piece: 141; Folio: 80; Page: 63
Mrs Betsy Eade ’Mar’ 50
Clara Mason ‘W’ dau 26
Lawrence 21 occ Conductor
WILLIAM 17 Clerkenwell
Albert V Eade 9
Mary E Mason 24
1871 RG10; Piece: 217; Folio: 33; Page: 59
Thomas Eade Peasenhall occ Surveyor’s Clerk
Elizabeth, Catherine E 20, Lourina 17, Arthur 14, Lawrence 11, Augustus 9,
WILLIE 7
Is this his birth entry
Willie EADE mn WOOLNOUGH
1863 D Quarter in CLERKENWELL Volume 01B Page 562
1861 RG 9; Piece: 1174; Folio: 117; Page: 8
Thomas Eade Peasenhall, Suffolk occ Schoolmaster
Thomas 12, Francis 8, Lourina 7, Clara 5, Arthur 4, Lawrence 1
1851 HO107; Piece: 1804; Folio: 428; Page: 6
Thomas Eade 26 Peasenhall occ English Teacher
Betsey Eade 22
Catherine Sarah Eade 8 Mo
Catherine Sarah EADE, mn WOOLNOUGH
1850 S Quarter in WANGFORD Volume 13 Page 507
I don't know whether this is just a coincidence but found this marriage and thought I'd post
due to the names/ occupations
3 Oct 1881 St Andrew, St Marylebone, Westminster
William EADE age 21 occ Cab owner
father Thomas Eade occ schoolmaster
Laura ROSE 17 father Alfred occ surveyor of ?
Witnessed by Sarah Maria (surname might be Eade) & W Cole
BUT ??? she remarries 1896 as
Laura EADE widow to Frederick MULLINS her father Alfred ROSE
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Well if Willie was still lawfully married to Laura Eade née Rose, that would perhapd explain why he did not marry Emma King.
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This is possibly George showing as illegitimate:
KING, George Arthur Eade
No mother's maiden name
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 569
That looks promising for George
What about William? EDIT could this be his birth entry mn blank
KING, WILLIAM -
1882 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 586
3 Oct 1881 St Andrew, St Marylebone, Westminster
William EADE age 21 occ Cab owner
father Thomas Eade occ schoolmaster
Laura ROSE 17 father Alfred occ surveyor of ?
Witnessed by Sarah Maria (surname might be Eade) & W Cole
BUT ??? she remarries 1896 as
Laura EADE widow to Frederick MULLINS her father Alfred ROSE
I can't find a William & Laura Eade together on the 1891 census
nor a Laura Eade on her own ???
Can anyone else spot her
1901 RG13; Piece: 144; Folio: 79; Page: 13
Frederick Mullins 34
Laura Mullins 34 dittoed as born London other censuses her pob Newport Wales
Alfred Mullins 16
Montague Mullins 14
Richard Mullins 11
Frederick Mullins 4
Her death
Laura Mullins age 63
Jun 1929 Marylebone London Volume: 1a Page: 589
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Born to Willie & Laura?
Rose Nelly Eade, mmn Rose, Sep qtr 1882 Marylebone.
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Born to Willie & Laura?
Rose Nelly Eade, mmn Rose, Sep qtr 1882 Marylebone.
Baptism: 30 July 1882 St Mary, Marylebone
Rose Nelly Eade, born 24 June 1882.
Parents: William (omnibus proprietor) & Laura, of 5 Durweston Mews.
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Born to Willie & Laura?
Rose Nelly Eade, mmn Rose, Sep qtr 1882 Marylebone.
Good find - I just edited/added to my post and wondered if this was William son of Willie & Emma :-\
KING, WILLIAM -
1882 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 586
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Born to Willie & Laura?
Rose Nelly Eade, mmn Rose, Sep qtr 1882 Marylebone.
Good find - I just edited/added to my post and wondered if this was William son of Willie & Emma :-\
KING, WILLIAM -
1882 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 586
Yes could well be.
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Born to Willie & Laura?
Rose Nelly Eade, mmn Rose, Sep qtr 1882 Marylebone.
Baptism: 30 July 1882 St Mary, Marylebone
Rose Nelly Eade, born 24 June 1882.
Parents: William (omnibus proprietor) & Laura, of 5 Durweston Mews.
That's another great find I didn't add the address to the 1881 marriage of William Eade/Laura Rose
and guess what it's 5 Durweston Mews :)
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Rose married at least twice:
Rose Nellie Eade to William Maslin, Sep qtr 1900 Hendon.
Rose Nellie Maslin (wid) to Richard Clinton, 2 Apr 1907 Hammersmith, her father William Eade, cab proprietor.
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He died in 1908.
I was posting this then realised that the year had been given
Willie Eade age 42 1908 Jan-Feb-Mar Paddington Volume:1a Page: 15
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Rose married at least twice:
Rose Nellie Eade to William Maslin, Sep qtr 1900 Hendon.
Rose Nellie Maslin (wid) to Richard Clinton, 2 Apr 1907 Hammersmith, her father William Eade, cab proprietor.
??? Have not found Laura Eade bn 1864 or Rose Nellie Eade bn 1882 on the 1891 census
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Oddly, Rose Nelly Maslin (wid) and Richard Clinton, both of 9 Hall Place, had banns called at St Mary, Paddington Green on 11, 18 and 29 December 1910 - despite having gone through a ceremony of marriage in April 1907.
Added: and they seem to have “married” again, Dec qtr 1910 Paddington 1a 82, though Rose’s entry is misindexed as 1a 32 in the typed GRO index.
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Looks like William Maslin (a slater in 1901) was still alive when his wife Rose got together with Richard Clinton. He was admitted to St Marylebone Infirmary on 18 October 1910 (age 32; occupation: roof slater).
He looks likely to be the William Maslin who died aged 32, Dec qtr 1910 Kensington, hence Rose taking steps to make a lawful marriage to Richard Clinton shortly afterwards.
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Frederick Mullins is note a bachelor on 1896 marriage to Laura Eade (widow) nee Rose
and the likely witness is Sarah Maria Rose rather than Eade - her mother
1901 RG13; Piece: 144; Folio: 79; Page: 13
Frederick Mullins 34
Laura Mullins 34 dittoed as born London other censuses her pob Newport Wales
Alfred Mullins 16 (born c 1885)
Montague Mullins 14
Richard Mullins 11
Frederick Mullins 4
so I'm assuming that the children above are Frederick & Laura's
(her father is Alfred and she has brothers named Richard & Montague haven't matched up any Mullin
births)
Edit - census gives 5 children born to her
So it does look as if Willie EADE & Emma KING did not marry
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Thank you all for this in depth research. I am really sorry, but I am now a little overwhelmed and confused by all the information. I got a bit lost when things digressed to Laura etc.
Is there someone who would be kind enough to summarise what appears to be the story (and ultimately the reason for concluding that Emma and Willie did not marry).
Thank you
Mark
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Willie Eade was lawfully married (3 Oct 1881) to a Laura (nee Rose) - hence not free to marry Emma King.
Willie and Laura had a daughter, Rose Nelly/Nellie, on 24 June 1882 before they went their separate ways.
Laura went on to marry (bigamously) to Frederick Mullins in 1896, falsely claiming to be a widow. From their children's birthdates it looks likely they were together by the mid-1880s.
Willie and Laura's daughter, Rose, repeated her mother's history by marrying her second husband, Richard Clinton, bigamously in 1907, falsely claiming to be a widow - but before her first husband, William Maslin (marr 1900), had in fact died. (She then "remarried" Richard, lawfully this time, as soon as William was deceased in late 1910).
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Willie Eade was lawfully married (3 Oct 1881) to a Laura (nee Rose) - hence not free to marry Emma King.
Willie and Laura had a daughter, Rose Nelly/Nellie, on 24 June 1882 before they went their separate ways.
Laura went on to marry (bigamously) to Frederick Mullins in 1896, falsely claiming to be a widow. From their children's birthdates it looks likely they were together by the mid-1880s.
Willie and Laura's daughter, Rose, repeated her mother's history by marrying her second husband, Richard Clinton, bigamously in 1907, falsely claiming to be a widow - but before her first husband, William Maslin (marr 1900), had in fact died. (She then "remarried" Richard, lawfully this time, as soon as William was deceased in late 1910).
Very succinctly written avm228
I've brought forward the marriage I posted for a William Eade
3 Oct 1881 St Andrew, St Marylebone, Westminster
William EADE age 21 occ Cab owner
father Thomas Eade occ schoolmaster
Laura ROSE 17
father Alfred occ surveyor of ?
Witnessed by Sarah Maria (surname might be Eade/Rose) & W Cole
but she remarries in 1896
Laura EADE (widow) to Frederick MULLINS her father Alfred ROSE
Mark
Just to confirm I have been looking at the correct William/Willie - see reply 6 for census details
Is this William's birth entry?
Willie EADE mn WOOLNOUGH
1863 D Quarter in CLERKENWELL Volume 01B Page 562
Do you have his b/c confirming parents names/ father's occupation?
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Hello Ladyhawk - thank you.
Hello avm228 - thank you
For Willie I have a definite death certificate for 1908 and he is aged (on the certificate) as 42 which would put his birth at 1866. I even have a press cutting regarding his death as he was found under a vehicle in Willesden with a "belly full of beer"
For 1901 census I have Willie aged 58!!! (but I think it actually reads 38 - that would put his birth at 1863) and Emma aged 37 (that seems wrong as well) Both born in Marylebone. Willie is an omnibus driver. I am confident this is the right family as the children tie in with the 1911 census which we know is right.
For 1891 census I have Willie aged 27 and Emma 26. Both born in Paddington and Willie is an omnibus conductor. The children tie in with 1901/1911 censuses.
For 1881 census I have Willie Eade aged 17 living with mother Betsy. Willie born in Clerkenwell
For 1871 census I have Willie Eade aged 7 living with mother Elizabeth (could be Betsy in 1881?). Willie born in Clerkenwell. This family has a Lourina and an Augustus - names that Willie gives his own children later on.
I don't have a birth certificate for Willie. Agree that the one you found looks promising but the inconsistency with ages on the different census records plus the stated age at death has thrown things a bit.
Also, we seem to have different birth places, but having said that, Marylebone, Paddington and Clerkenwell are adjacent.
Any more thoughts? Thank you so much for your help
Mark
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Just found 1861 census with Thomas Eade, schoolmaster. He has daughter Lourina and son Augustus. If this is the right Thomas and is Willie's father it makes sense because Willie went on to also have a daughters called Lourina and a son called Augustus. This would tie in with Laura's father in law Thomas Eade being a schoolteacher. Also we have Willie and Laura having a daugter called Nellie Rose and Willie had a daughter called Nellie with Emma.
Does that sound convincing enough?
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From family search are some of the children with their widowed mother Emma in 1911
William Eade 1885 London Marylebone
Augustus Eade 1892 London Kensington
Bessie Eade 1891 London Kensington
James Eade 1896 London Kensington
Edward Eade 1899 London Kensington
John Eade 1901 London Paddington
Lurena Eade 1902 London Paddington
Nellie Eade 1904 London Paddington
Harry Eade 1905 London Paddington
and some records that give the date of birth of some of the above children details from
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Laurina Eade age 4
born 27 Apr 1900
admitted 6 Mar 1905
Moberley School Westminster
father William Eade
address 26 Ashmore Road
Laurina Eade age 8
Birth Date: 27 Apr 1900
Admission Date: 24 Aug 1908
School: Moberley School
Father: William Eade
26 Ashmore Road
James Eade age 5
born 9 Oct 1895
Ernest Eade age 6
born 14 Jan 1901
Admission Date: 14 Jan 1901
School: Moberley School
Father: William Eade
26 Ashmore Road
Edward Eade age 3
Birth Date: 4 Apr 1898
Admission Date: 15 Apr 1901
School: Moberley School
Father: William Eade
26 Ashmore Road
Harry Eade age 3
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1904
Admission Date: 4 Nov 1907
School: Moberley School
Father: William Eade
26 Ashmore Road
Nellie Eade age 3
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1902
Admission Date: 27 Nov 1905
School: Moberley School
Father: Willm Eade
26 Ashmore Road
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Just found 1861 census with Thomas Eade, schoolmaster. He has daughter Lourina and son Augustus.
If this is the right Thomas and is Willie's father it makes sense because Willie went on to also have a daughters called Lourina and a son called Augustus.
This would tie in with Laura's father in law Thomas Eade being a schoolteacher. Also we have Willie and Laura having a daugter called Nellie Rose and Willie had a daughter called Nellie with Emma.
Does that sound convincing enough?
Yes it does - I did post the 1861 details reply 6
1861 RG 9; Piece: 1174; Folio: 117; Page: 8
Thomas Eade Peasenhall, Suffolk occ Schoolmaster
Thomas 12, Francis 8, Lourina 7, Clara 5, Arthur 4, Lawrence 1
1851 HO107; Piece: 1804; Folio: 428; Page: 6
Thomas Eade 26 Peasenhall occ English Teacher
Betsey Eade 22
Catherine Sarah Eade 8 Mo
Catherine Sarah EADE, mn WOOLNOUGH
1850 S Quarter in WANGFORD Volume 13 Page 507
As Catherine's mn Woolnough the 1863 birth entry for Willie Eade also has same mn
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This looks to be the marriage entry for Thomas & Betsey - names on same page
Sep 1848 Blything 13 613
Cotton Margaret
EADE Thomas
Eagle Quintin
RICHES Francis Maplestone
Smith Emma
WOOLNOUGH Betsy
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Thank you again Ladyhawk. This is so helpful and answers lots of questions.
Where do the school admissions records appear? Are they on A**ry? We are about to re-subscribe to A**ry to carry on searching and tie up with DNA matches etc.
Interestingly, I started this post to find out who Emma King was and although that wasn't successful (yet) we have discovered loads about Willie Eade and first wife/daughter.
Now wondering how we find out about Emma !!!!
Guessing this is her:
KING, EMMA SIMS
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 547
But have no way of confirming. There are lots of Emma Kings born in that area and I am only getting date of 1868 from her saying she is 43 in 1911.But in 1901 she is 37 and in 1891 she is 26!!!
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Yes the school admission can be found on And*y, Also the marriage posted
Here are some other things for you to look at when you subscribe
William Eade Age: 32
Document Year: 1916
Residence Place: 98 Fernhead Rd, Paddington W
Regimental Number: 324388
Regiment Name: Labour Corps
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 14
Next of kin mother Emma Eade
Betsy/Bestsey/Elizabeth Eade nee Woolnough
1851 pob Yoxford, Suffolk
1861 pob Posenhall, Suffolk - she with her parents James & Betsy Woolnough and dau Kate (Catherine) 11
1871 pob Peasenhall, Suffolk
1881 pob Tixford, Suffolk,
Betsey Woolnough
Birth Place: Peasenhall, England
Christening Date: 10 Feb 1828
Christening Place: Peasenhall, Suffolk, England
Father: James Woolnough Mother: Betsey Hunen
Louisa Woolnough
Birth Place: Yoxford, England
Christening Date: 20 Jun 1829
Christening Place: Yoxford, Suffolk, England
Father: James Woolnough
Mother: Betsey
James Woolnough
Marriage Date: 7 Nov 1820
Marriage Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Hurren
Can be viewed online An*y or family search
Helen Nunn
Death Age: 89
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1902
Registration Date: Dec 1991
Registration district: Brent
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 11
Page: 593
She married as Helen Eade in 1925 St Andrew, Willesden, Brent
father William (deceased) occ bus conductor
One witness was E T Eade
Henry Harry Eade 21 occ Milkman father William Dec’d occ bus driver
married 22 Aug 1931
One witness Edward Thomas Eade
the above marriages are on anc*y
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Now wondering how we find out about Emma !!!!
Guessing this is her:
KING, EMMA SIMS
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 547
But have no way of confirming. There are lots of Emma Kings born in that area and I am only getting date of 1868 from her saying she is 43 in 1911.But in 1901 she is 37 and in 1891 she is 26!!!
It may also be worth looking at the visitor named Emma King whose with her in 1911
to see if you can find both Emma's together - she could be mother or aunt
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Excellent Ladyhawk :) :)
Harry is my wife's grandfather and he was indeed a milkman!!
And yes, we have been touch with a Nunn recently
OK - time to document all this now !!!!!
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This Emma has a middle name but birth year is close - You may want to investigate to see if it leads anywhere
Emma Eliza King
Baptism Age: 1
Birth Date: 18 Jul 1868
Baptism Date: 10 Jul 1870 Saint Paul, Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: Richard King occ carman Mother: Emma
address 5 Brook Street
also on same record is George Henry King born 18th March 1866
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OK - time to document all this now !!!!!
Good idea - I'm signing off going to watch the Champions League :)
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This Emma has a middle name but birth year is close - You may want to investigate to see if it leads anywhere
Emma Eliza King
Baptism Age: 1
Birth Date: 18 Jul 1868
Baptism Date: 10 Jul 1870 Saint Paul, Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: Richard King occ carman Mother: Emma
address 5 Brook Street
also on same record is George Henry King born 18th March 1866
Not convinced this the right one as this Emma appears in 1881 and 1891 still with parents. Our Emma is already recorded in 1891 with her children
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It may also be worth looking at the visitor named Emma King whose with her in 1911
to see if you can find both Emma's together - she could be mother or aunt
Still married too so there should be a Mr King husband somewhere.
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It may also be worth looking at the visitor named Emma King whose with her in 1911
to see if you can find both Emma's together - she could be mother or aunt
Still married too so there should be a Mr King husband somewhere.
Well spotted - thank you. Now my problem is how to find him because that might help to confirm Emma's birth details. There will be loads of male Kings around so might take a bit of digging to narrow it down
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This Emma has a middle name but birth year is close - You may want to investigate to see if it leads anywhere
Emma Eliza King
Baptism Age: 1
Birth Date: 18 Jul 1868
Baptism Date: 10 Jul 1870 Saint Paul, Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: Richard King occ carman Mother: Emma
address 5 Brook Street
also on same record is George Henry King born 18th March 1866
Not convinced this the right one as this Emma appears in 1881 and 1891 still with parents. Our Emma is already recorded in 1891 with her children
I agree - one to cross off the list
Now wondering how we find out about Emma !!!!
Guessing this is her:
KING, EMMA SIMS
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 547
But have no way of confirming.
I don't think the above Emma King is yours either can't find her with parents on 1871 census - may have died pretty sure that her mother's name is Elizabeth working from the details below
KING, ELIZABETH mn SIMS
1863 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 494
also births for mn Sims
Charles bn 1867
John 1871
Emily 1876
Ada 1879
1881 census
George King 42
Elizabeth King 42
Charles King 14
John King 10
Emily King 5
Ada King 1
1881 Elizabeth 32, Charles 4 & John - possibly Elizabeth & Emma have died
Banns read in Marylebone
George King
Banns 1862
Date: 23 Nov 30 Nov 7 Dec
Marriage Banns Place: Christ Church, St Marylebone, Westminster,
Spouse: Elizabeth Sims of Cheltenham
16 Dec 1862 Cheltenham, St Mary, Gloucestershire
George King f/a servant father Charles Labourer
Elizabeth Sims f/a father John occ Hawker
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It may also be worth looking at the visitor named Emma King whose with her in 1911
to see if you can find both Emma's together - she could be mother or aunt
Still married too so there should be a Mr King husband somewhere.
Well spotted - thank you. Now my problem is how to find him because that might help to confirm Emma's birth details. There will be loads of male Kings around so might take a bit of digging to narrow it down
Looking at number of years given a marriage should be around 1856 so possibly children born before Emma, if she's her mother
Worth remembering also that Emma Eade/King said she married 27 years (c1884) but no marriage
I think perhaps trying to find visitor Emma King bn c 1836on the 1901 census first
(I've had a quick look but not found a match bn St James, it's a shame there's no occupation
if she can be found there it might lead a trail to 1871 census with them both on
Had a quick look at the 1871 census to see if I could find an Emma Snr / Emma Jnr. these are all
I've come up with so far but have not checked them out further
1871 Emma Snr 1835 Brixton & Emma Jnr 1866 Pimilico
Married to John King labourer living Westminster
RG10 109 Folio 35 Page 3
1871 census Emma Snr bn 1837 Essex & Emma Jnr bn 1870 Surrey
Married to John King living Southwark
1871 Emma Snr bn1838 Surrey Emma Jnr bn 1879 Surrey
Married to John King living Southwark
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Another avenue to look at is the naming patterns of the children are they named after parents/grandparents/siblings
Is this the full list of children born to Willie Eade & Emma King?
*William KING/Eade? 1882/4
George Henry Eade KING 1885 Marylebone
Albert Lawrence EADE 1889 Marylebone FreeBMD
Bessie EADE 1890 Kensington FreeBMD
Augustus (Gussie) EADE 1891 Kensington FreeBMD
Ernest 1892
James 1895
Edward Thomas EADE 1898 Kensington FreeBMD
John EADE 1900 Kensington FreeBMD
Lorina 1902
*Nellie KING 1905 Kensington FreeBMD
Harry 1905
Here are the references from the GRO indexes - have not managed to find all the children's entires on FreeBMD/GRO ???
* possible birth entries for Willie & Emma children
*KING, WILLIAM
No mother’s maiden name
1882 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 586
KING, George Arthur Eade
No mother's maiden name
1886 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 569 - details posted by Dundee
EADE, BESSIE mn KING
1890 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 120
EADE, ALBERT LAWRENCE mn KING
1889 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 573
EADE, AUGUSTUS mn KING
1891 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 101
EADE, JAMES mn KING
1895 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 122
EADE, EDWARD THOMAS mn KING
1898 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 104
EADE, JOHN mn KING
1900 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 143
*KING, NELLIE
No mother’s maiden name
1905 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 98
If this is the correct WILLIE EADE 1863 (mn Woolnough) parents THOMAS & BETSY
his siblings appear to be
Catherine Sarah 1850 - married 1875 (Mason) father Thomas schoolmaster, sister Laurina witness
Lorina 1853 - Lourina Eade married twice (1877 North/ 1893 Mays) father Thomas Eade schoolmaster Laurina North with Mays 1891 married George
Clara 1855 - Clara Mason with Betsy & Willie 1881c, Clara Eade married twice (1876 Mason/1893 Lascelles) father Thomas schoolmaster
Arthur 1857
Lawerence 1860
Augustus 1862
Albert Victor 1871
These Eade children also have mn Woolnough but don't know if they are Thomas & Betsy's
Frederick Charles 1868 - death 1870 Islington age 1
Florence Mary 1861
Minnie Laura 1858 - death 1859 Plomesgate
Francis Robert 1852
Thomas James 1849
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Another avenue to look at is the naming patterns of the children are they named after parents/grandparents/siblings
Is this the full list of children born to Willie Eade & Emma King?
*William KING/Eade? 1882/4
George Henry Eade KING 1885 Marylebone
Albert Lawrence EADE 1889 Marylebone FreeBMD
Bessie EADE 1890 Kensington FreeBMD
Augustus (Gussie) EADE 1891 Kensington FreeBMD
Ernest 1892
James 1895
Edward Thomas EADE 1898 Kensington FreeBMD
John EADE 1900 Kensington FreeBMD
Lorina 1902
*Nellie KING 1905 Kensington FreeBMD
Harry 1905
Here are the references from the GRO indexes - have not managed to find all the children's entires on FreeBMD/GRO ???
* possible birth entries for Willie & Emma children
*KING, WILLIAM
No mother’s maiden name
1882 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 586
KING, George Arthur Eade
No mother's maiden name
1886 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 569 - details posted by Dundee
EADE, BESSIE mn KING
1890 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 120
EADE, ALBERT LAWRENCE mn KING
1889 S Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 573
EADE, AUGUSTUS mn KING
1891 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 101
EADE, JAMES mn KING
1895 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 122
EADE, EDWARD THOMAS mn KING
1898 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 104
EADE, JOHN mn KING
1900 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 143
*KING, NELLIE
No mother’s maiden name
1905 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 98
If this is the correct WILLIE EADE 1863 (mn Woolnough) parents THOMAS & BETSY
his siblings appear to be
Catherine Sarah 1850 - married 1875 (Mason) father Thomas schoolmaster, sister Laurina witness
Lorina 1853 - Lourina Eade married twice (1877 North/ 1893 Mays) father Thomas Eade schoolmaster Laurina North with Mays 1891 married George
Clara 1855 - Clara Mason with Betsy & Willie 1881c, Clara Eade married twice (1876 Mason/1893 Lascelles) father Thomas schoolmaster
Arthur 1857
Lawerence 1860
Augustus 1862
Albert Victor 1871
These Eade children also have mn Woolnough but don't know if they are Thomas & Betsy's
Frederick Charles 1868 - death 1870 Islington age 1
Florence Mary 1861
Minnie Laura 1858 - death 1859 Plomesgate
Francis Robert 1852
Thomas James 1849
Thank you Ladyhawk. Just wondering - if I get the birth certificate of, say the first child - William 1882 - it might give the place of his birth, perhaps street name. If William was born whilst Willie was still with wife Laura and therefore Emma was still at home with parents, that might give me Emma's family details on 1881 census.
What do you think? EDIT - just realised Willie and Emma's William was born BEFORE Willie and Laura's daughter Rose !!
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We don’t know that Willie was the natural father of William King.
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Actually the William King birth reg we have may be for a different, unrelated child.
William King born 17 March 1882 was baptised at St Mary, Marylebone on 28 March 1882.
Mother: Mary Ann, abode workhouse.
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We don’t know that Willie was the natural father of William King.
Fair point. Also that GRO record for William Kig in 1982 doesn't fit in with his expected birth from the 1911 and 1891 census (he is not with the family 1901 and can't find him anywhere else at the moment)
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If the very precise age of 32 yrs 8 days given by William King/Eade on his Army examination (14 April 1916) is correct then his birthdate should be 6 April 1884.
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If the very precise age of 32 yrs 8 days given by William King/Eade on his Army examination (14 April 1916) is correct then his birthdate should be 6 April 1884.
Thank you. Interesting - Is there anything else of interest on that record? Guessing that is something else I could get hold of with A* subscription?
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Well, he suffered from deformed feet, rheumatic pains in his feet and legs since a bout of measles in childhood, and neurofibromatosis.
Emma Eade was his next of kin, as has already been posted upthread.
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If the very precise age of 32 yrs 8 days given by William King/Eade on his Army examination (14 April 1916) is correct then his birthdate should be 6 April 1884.
Thank you. Interesting - Is there anything else of interest on that record?
Guessing that is something else I could get hold of with A* subscription?
Well spotted avm228 - can’t see a birth reg Jun qtr 1884 for a
William Eade with mn King or a William King with no mother’s name on GRO ???
There is this one but he has middle name and gives mn King :-\
KING, WILLIAM GEORGE mn KING 1884 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 745
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This is Only speculations if we say
first son William named after his father Willie
Second son George could be named after Emma’s father
First dau Bessie named after Willie’s Mother Betsy
one of the sons has middle name Thomas after Wille’s father
they don’t appear to have named a dau Emma
1911/1901 Emma Eade/King pob Marylebone bn1868/1865
1891 pob is dittoed as Paddington bn 1864
Could this be Emma on 1881
Emily G. Caplin 40
Laura Caplin 37
Emily Jessie 24
Emma KING 18 (1863) born Marylebone
1871 RG10; Piece: 152; Folio: 111; Page: 50
there is this entry but yob is earlier for both mother & daughter haven't yet investigated this family further
living Marylebone
George King 45
Emma King 39 (1832)
Matilda King 13
Ellen King 11
Emma King 9 (1862) bn London
Katey King 5
James King 3
Jane King 9 Months
Elizabeth Bowler 54
Matilda KING mn HIBBETT
1857 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 347
Emma KING, mn HIBBETT
1861 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 415
edited 1881 c
RG11; Piece: 138; Folio: 5; Page: 3 - No Emma Snr. but notes George as married
12 Little Marylebone St
George King mar. 52 ladies shoemaker
Matilda King 23
Ellen King 21
Emma King 19 Marylebone Dom Serv. out of employ
Elizabeth King 15
Jane King 10
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Thank you again for all this. I guess now we have some possibilities I need a way of proving if they are the right ones. Not sure I have enough detail to do that? Does there come a point when we just have to record it as a possibility and leave it at that?
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If the very precise age of 32 yrs 8 days given by William King/Eade on his Army examination (14 April 1916) is correct then his birthdate should be 6 April 1884.
Tweaking the free 1939 Register index, I think William Eade is in the Hendon area and gives his birthdate as 6 April 1885. If at least the 6 April bit is right (whether 1884 or 1885) then that could be corroborated with any birth certificate.
In turn, with luck, the birth certificate may give address (or other) details which link his mother Emma King to one of the families identified in the censuses.
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If the very precise age of 32 yrs 8 days given by William King/Eade on his Army examination (14 April 1916) is correct then his birthdate should be 6 April 1884.
Tweaking the free 1939 Register index, I think William Eade is in the Hendon area and gives his birthdate as 6 April 1885. If at least the 6 April bit is right (whether 1884 or 1885) then that could be corroborated with any birth certificate.
In turn, with luck, the birth certificate may give address (or other) details which link his mother Emma King to one of the families identified in the censuses.
Not that this helps with his birth
London Electoral Register in Hendon
1920/21/22/125/1939
31 Oak Grove
Wm Eade
Lily Ellen Eade
I think they married in Cranbrook Sep 1919 Lily E Turner
his death & probate
William Eade age 57 (1886) Jun 1943 Hendon 3a 532
William Eade of 31 Oak Grove Cricklewood London NW2
died 3 May 1943 at Handley Page Factory Claremont Road Cricklewood
Administration London 2 July to widow Lily Ellen Eade
Lily Ellen Eade of 31 Oak Grove Cricklewood Middlesex widow died 18 Dec 1947
Administration London 31 Jan 1948 to M Sleet married woman (possible daughter bn 1923 Hendon)
Forgot to add 1921
98 Fernhead Road
Emma Eade there are others at that address but not with same surname
Kennedy, Palmer, Reed
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Have taken the plunge and ordered the William George King birth certificate from 1884.
Hopefully it will tell us something useful
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Have taken the plunge and ordered the William George King birth certificate from 1884.
Hopefully it will tell us something useful
Hope so too please let us know
When I was searching for the birth entry I only went by the date given from Army records as posted by avm228 6th April 1884 (hence looking in June Qtr. 1884)
avm228 also mentions possible birth 6th April 1885 for a William Eade in Hendon
There is this entry on GRO indexes in Jun qtr. :-\
KING, WILLIAM no mother's maiden name
1885 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 534
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Have taken the plunge and ordered the William George King birth certificate from 1884.
Hopefully it will tell us something useful
Hope so too please let us know
When I was searching for the birth entry I only went by the date given from Army records as posted by avm228 6th April 1884 (hence looking in June Qtr. 1884)
avm228 also mentions possible birth 6th April 1885 for a William Eade in Hendon
There is this entry on GRO indexes in Jun qtr. :-\
KING, WILLIAM no mother's maiden name
1885 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 534
Thank you - yes, I have ordered both as too impatient to see if first one is correct or not !!
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If the very precise age of 32 yrs 8 days given by William King/Eade on his Army examination (14 April 1916) is correct then his birthdate should be 6 April 1884.
Tweaking the free 1939 Register index, I think William Eade is in the Hendon area and gives his birthdate as 6 April 1885. If at least the 6 April bit is right (whether 1884 or 1885) then that could be corroborated with any birth certificate.
In turn, with luck, the birth certificate may give address (or other) details which link his mother Emma King to one of the families identified in the censuses.
Not that this helps with his birth
London Electoral Register in Hendon
1920/21/22/125/1939
31 Oak Grove
Wm Eade
Lily Ellen Eade
I think they married in Cranbrook Sep 1919 Lily E Turner
his death & probate
William Eade age 57 (1886) Jun 1943 Hendon 3a 532
William Eade of 31 Oak Grove Cricklewood London NW2
died 3 May 1943 at Handley Page Factory Claremont Road Cricklewood
Administration London 2 July to widow Lily Ellen Eade
Lily Ellen Eade of 31 Oak Grove Cricklewood Middlesex widow died 18 Dec 1947
Administration London 31 Jan 1948 to M Sleet married woman (possible daughter bn 1923 Hendon)
Forgot to add 1921
98 Fernhead Road
Emma Eade there are others at that address but not with same surname
Kennedy, Palmer, Reed
Yes, they were in Fernhead Road in 1911. Have found the address and they lived opposite Norman Wisdom who was born there in 1915 and lived there!!!!!
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Thank you for everyone's help. From all that info and a bit more digging, this is the story so far:
Willie Eade (the original subject of this thread) was the son of Thomas Eade (middle name Mayhew) who was born in 1826/7 (yet to find his baptism record and it is too early for a birth registration record).
In 1848 Thomas Eade married Betsy Woolnough in Blything, Suffolk
Three years later the 1851 census has them living in 27 Northgate, Beccles, Suffolk with their 8 month old daughter Catherine Sarah. Thomas is an English teacher aged 25. You can still find this address on Google Earth.
Ten years later the 1861 census shows that the couple have moved to Great Wickham in Suffolk and lived in 40 Middle Street (that street was bombed in WWII so can't see it now). They now have seven children, Catherine, Thomas, Francis, Lourina, Clara, Arthur and Lawrence. Wife Betsy and their first daughter Catherine Sarah are not there but can be found with Betsy's parents (James and Betsy) in St Nicholas, Yarmouth (Catherine is called Kate here). Thomas is now a schoolmaster and living with him is an assistant, a cook and a house servant. Looks like Thomas is going up in the world. But...........
A year later, in August 1862 The Cambridge Independent press lists recent bankrupts and Thomas is among them. In March the following year, the Ipswich General Advertiser and County Express publishes a request for creditors of Thomas to come forward to make any claims they may have of what remains of his assets.
So, it looks like things have gone badly wrong for Thomas and family.
By 1864/1865 they have moved to Marylebone, because that is where Willie is born (have sent for what we hope is Willie's birth certificate but have had to send for two as there is one in 1864 and one in 1865).
In the 1871 census Thomas is with Betsy (named as Elizabeth), Catherine, Lourina, Arthur, Lawrence and now an Augustus and Willie (who were born since the last census). Augustus was born in or near Yarmouth (presumably where Betsy's parents lived) and at the time of his father's bankruptcy. Perhaps the family moved in with Betsy's parents when they went bankrupt and before moving to London. Thomas is now a surveyor's clerk and they are at St Pancras (Borough of Marylebone). Can't read the street name - looks like Charterfield Street but can't find that on old maps.
Then, ten years later, on the 1881 census, Betsy is still in London - 9 Great Woodstock Street - but Thomas has gone. She is with her children Clara (now Mason), Lawrence, William (Willie) and a new son, Albert born in 1872. Betsy is now a servant and William at the age of 17 is a conductor (presumably bus, not orchestra!!!!)
So what happened to Thomas? Well he has returned to Wickham Market and is a porter in the Plomesgate Workhouse. He does say he is married.
Ten years later in 1891 he is still a porter at the workhouse . I can't find Betsy in that census so wonder if she is already dead.
In 1901 Thomas is know as an inmate of the workhouse instead of a porter and a widow. But this is not as bad as it sounds because from the obituary for his death in 1910 he was there by choice and had simply retired - he was paying his board from his pension as a porter. It turns out he was actually well respected. In 1885 he was responsible for charging an inmate of the workhouse (a George Goode) with the offence of "tearing up his clothes". George received one month's imprisonment with hard labour - rather harsh for tearing up your clothes.
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So, that was Thomas's colourful life. But it looks like his son Willie was also rather interesting.
As mentioned, he was a 17 year old conductor in 1881, but later that year he was lawfully married (3 Oct 1881) to a Laura (nee Rose). He and Laura had a daughter, Rose Nelly/Nellie, on 24 June 1882, but Willie and Laura then seem to have gone their separate ways because Laura went on to marry (bigamously) Frederick Mullins in 1896, falsely claiming to be a widow. From their children's birth dates it looks likely they were together by the mid-1880s.
Willie and Laura's daughter, Rose, repeated her mother's history by marrying her second husband, Richard Clinton, bigamously in 1907, falsely claiming to be a widow - but before her first husband had in fact died. (She then "remarried" Richard, lawfully this time, as soon as her first husband was deceased in late 1910).
Meanwhile, Willie got together with Emma King and in 1864 had their first child William. Willie never married Emma (so technically he wasn't a bigamist) but they went on to have thirteen illegitimate children - William, George, Albert, Bessie, Augustus, Ernest, James, Edward, John, Lourina, Nellie, and Harry (Henry Harry). The list only has twelve so we think one died without being recorded on a census. Some have registered births, but some don't - Harry for instance. William joined the army and his medical examination says he had "deformed feet, rheumatic pains in his feet and legs since a bout of measles in childhood, and neurofibromatosis". We also know that Ernest died in 1918 when his ship HMS Kale was mined.
Willie came to a premature end in 1908 when he was found dead under a "brake" in Shirland Mews, Willesden). His death certificate says he had a weak heart and pneumonia but the report of his death in the Willesden Chronicle says he was regularly drunk and had a belly full of beer at the time of his death - he is said to have gone under the vehicle for a sleep.
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Have now got birth certificate for William (Emma and Willie's first son). Sure it is correct one as date of birth is 6th April which matches later records:
When and where - 6th April 1885, Marylebone Workhouse
No name for father
Mother - Emma King, Servant of Marylebone
Informant - Emma King, Mother, 21 Croydon Street, Marylebone
So interesting stuff.
Why the workhouse, if she has an address?
So, was Willie the father?
This certificate doesn't immediately help me with Emma's identification or family.
Any thoughts?
Thank you
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Good news re birthdate matching.
Workhouse probably because it had an infirmary which admitted local women to give birth.
Will have a look re address.
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Well, there was a pub nearby!
https://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/Marylebone/CroydonSt18.shtml
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21 Croydon St was divided into 3 households in 1881 - Masters, Bloom & Harrison.
RG11/148/104/45-46.
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21 Croydon St was divided into 3 households in 1881 - Masters, Bloom & Harrison.
RG11/148/104/45-46.
Thank you. Yes got it on map now. Guess Emma wasn't there in 81 then.
"Servant of Marylebone" seems a strange description ?
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Hello again.
I am still struggling to find anymore about Emma. I have a subscription giving me access to records and this is proving useful for lots of other searches but Emma is elusive without any information on who her parents might be. The only thing I have is another Emma King living with her in 1911, aged 75. She has been married 55 years and born in St James.
Through DNA results there is a connection with a Tasmanian family with the name King who seem to have gone there in 1840s. Elizabeth King is a name around that time. Also father John King.
That is all I have and have no idea how to find if there is anymore.
Any suggestions?
Thank you
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How about looking up births for Emma King, finding the mothers maiden name then cross checking for marriages between an "Emma" and a "King" in the London areas mentioned to see if any of them could be the Emma King married 55 years.
There that should keep you busy for a while ;D
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I see that Emma Eade is at 98 Fernhead Rd, Paddington up to & including the 1922 electoral roll, and then disappears from that address by 1923. Is that the last sighting of her, or is there evidence of her later on?
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Nothing yet.
One more thought, how about trying to find a death for the Elizabeth King 75 in 1911 in case it helps at all. She was only a visitor so we don't know where she was living but if we could match an age...
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Nothing yet.
One more thought, how about trying to find a death for the Elizabeth King 75 in 1911 in case it helps at all. She was only a visitor so we don't know where she was living but if we could match an age...
She is Emma rather than Elizabeth. I had a look and there aren’t a huge number of elderly Emma King deaths in the years following, but which to pick?
One angle I did look at is the fact that she was still “married” at 75. Most of the Emma King candidates of around her age were already widowed by 1901. Of those who still have a living husband in 1901 the one I spent most time looking at lived in St Pancras (also her birthplace) with a husband George, and I think they even lived in Paddington early in their marriage. I may have fallen asleep before ruling her in or out, though! I didn’t find a daughter named Emma among their children, but we don’t know what the connection to Emma Eade would have been.
Obviously the St Pancras one wouldn’t fit the expected St James (Westminster) birthplace of “our” Emma King.
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Sorry don't know why I put Elizabeth :-[
Yes I know, we are going along the route of Emma being her mother but may not have been which makes it even harder.
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Marriage Dec 1858 Pancras has
Emma Frazer
George William King
William Newman
Louisa Stone
trying to work back from the 55 years married but haven't checked the pairings yet **
If her maths was as bad as mine it might be a little off anyway.
** correct pairing but I think that Emma dies before 1911
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I've also looked extensively and not found an Emma King on 1901 census born St James
Was the head of the household the person that filled in 1911 census form?
We are assuming that the person was being truthful about marriage - if I remember correctly William Eade & Emma King did not marry and yet it says she was married for 27 years ???
What about looking for a baptism of Emma KING with mother Emma - perhaps mother was unmarried :-\
Emma EADE (King)
1911 bn 1868 Marylebone
1901 bn 1864 Marylebone
1891 bn 1865 London Middlesex
1881 ?
1871 ?
Emma KING
1911 bn 1836 Marylebone
Reply 58 Mark Darkly gives these details of William King’s birth certificate
When and where -
6th April 1885, Marylebone Workhouse
No name for father
Mother - Emma King, Servant of Marylebone
Informant - Emma King, Mother, 21 Croydon Street, Marylebone
avm228 checked and no person with surname King living at that address 1881
Not a match with dob and mother not with family 1881 but father George KING noted as married
don't know if Marky Darkly investigated further to rule this family out.........
Emma King bn 1861 Marylebone mn HIBBETT parents George and Emma (see reply 48)
1871 census shows her mother’s name as Emma KING age 39 (1832) London
Emma Jnr. sister Matilda baptisms Holy Trinity Marylebone Road Westminster 4 Jul 1858
father George Thomas King, Shoemaker & Emma
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I've also looked extensively and not found an Emma King on 1901 census born St James
Was the head of the household the person that filled in 1911 census form?
We are assuming that the person was being truthful about marriage - if I remember correctly William Eade & Emma King did not marry and yet it says she was married for 27 years ???
What about looking for a baptism of Emma KING with mother Emma - perhaps mother was unmarried :-\
Emma EADE (King)
1911 bn 1868 Marylebone
1901 bn 1864 Marylebone
1891 bn 1865 London Middlesex
1881 ?
1871 ?
Emma KING
1911 bn 1836 Marylebone
Reply 58 Mark Darkly gives these details of William King’s birth certificate
When and where -
6th April 1885, Marylebone Workhouse
No name for father
Mother - Emma King, Servant of Marylebone
Informant - Emma King, Mother, 21 Croydon Street, Marylebone
avm228 checked and no person with surname King living at that address 1881
Not a match with dob and mother not with family 1881 but father George KING noted as married
don't know if Marky Darkly investigated further to rule this family out.........
Emma King bn 1861 Marylebone mn HIBBETT parents George and Emma (see reply 48)
1871 census shows her mother’s name as Emma KING age 39 (1832) London
Emma Jnr. sister Matilda baptisms Holy Trinity Marylebone Road Westminster 4 Jul 1858
father George Thomas King, Shoemaker & Emma
Hi Ladyhawk - By coincidence, I am looking at the Bootmaker George in 1871 census at the moment and had a feeling this is interesting.
Above, you say:
"Not a match with dob and mother not with family 1881 but father George KING noted as married
don't know if Marky Darkly investigated further to rule this family out......... "
I am a bit lost here - is there another suggestion of George being the father?
Interestingly, Emma (and Willie) name their first son William (after Willie) and their second son is GEORGE - could that be after Emma's father?
EDIT - sorry - just realised that the suggestion about the second son named after Emma's father had already been made. So many replies so getting confused !
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I was wondering if you had looked at this family as a possibility these details I posted at reply 48 (April 19)
This is Only speculations if we say
first son William named after his father Willie
Second son George could be named after Emma’s father
First dau Bessie named after Willie’s Mother Betsy
one of the sons has middle name Thomas after Wille’s father
they don’t appear to have named a dau Emma
1911/1901 Emma Eade/King pob Marylebone bn1868/1865
1891 pob is dittoed as Paddington bn 1864
Could this be Emma on 1881
Emily G. Caplin 40
Laura Caplin 37
Emily Jessie 24
Emma KING 18 (1863) born Marylebone
1871 RG10; Piece: 152; Folio: 111; Page: 50
there is this entry but yob is earlier for both mother & daughter haven't yet investigated this family further
living Marylebone
George King 45
Emma King 39 (1832)
Matilda King 13
Ellen King 11
Emma King 9 (1862) bn London
Katey King 5
James King 3
Jane King 9 Months
Elizabeth Bowler 54
Matilda KING mn HIBBETT
1857 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 347
Emma KING, mn HIBBETT
1861 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 415
edited 1881 c
RG11; Piece: 138; Folio: 5; Page: 3 - No Emma Snr. but notes George as married
12 Little Marylebone St
George King mar. 52 ladies shoemaker
Matilda King 23
Ellen King 21
Emma King 19 Marylebone Dom Serv. out of employ
Elizabeth King 15
Jane King 10
Again only speculation as there is no evidence to support this if
Emma King on 1911 census visitor is Emma Eade's mother and she was born illegitimately
maybe she had a different surname and when her mother Emma ? married ? King Emma Jnr. then became Emma King ???