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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Jackarmy1 on Wednesday 10 April 19 02:50 BST (UK)
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Hi, I found out yesterday that 2 of my Great Grandmothers sisters moved to Canada at the beginning of the 20th Century, prob around 1904, am I able to find out any further information as to what ship they sailed on or why? They were Elizabeth Wilding b1889 and Emily Barbara Wilding b1882 and they sailed to Ottawa, Ontario. It looks as though they married a pair of brothers or cousins. Any advice gratefully received as always. Richard
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Emily's marriage, showing Walter as a father?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9BLH-ZDM?i=1171&cc=1784216
Familysearch is free; you just need to register to view.
Let us know if that is the right parents, before we head off on the wrong tangent!
You may want to ask a moderator to move this to the Canada board. ;)
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Yes, Walter and Mary, living in and around Abbeydore , Herefordshire
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This looks like them coming over in 1914, but they said they were headed to Saskatchewan, and their occupations are very odd for women at that time! I'm thinking there was a paper mix-up there for whoever wrote up the ship list.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=CANIMM1913PLIST_0000408064-00181&op=img&app=passengerlist
If you have been using familysearch, you should have found Elizabeth's marriage to an Albert Moore.
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http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/698119 Elizabeth and Albert's grave
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/698148 Emily and William's grave
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Thank you , that's amazing, what occupation could you make out, conductor and warehouseman ?
Are you able to see what ship they sailed on?
Yes I had the marriages, to what I assume are brothers or at least cousins
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Sorry, forgot I linked to the exact page!
Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1914
Arrival Port: St Johns, Newfoundland, Canada
Vessel: Royal Edward
Generally, women were listed as "domestics", so I'm not sure what is going on there. It's almost like the passenger list was written up, and the person copied info from the wrong tickets? I'm trying without success to find them in the UK in 1911, but so far, no luck.
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A sad entry, in case you missed it: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6W2Q-BN4?i=1400&cc=1307826
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I believe this to be the daughter of Emily Barbara; a death notice in the Ottawa Journal states she was residing in Quebec, but being interred in Beechwood Cemetery. I assume she wanted to be buried near her parents.
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/697478
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Thank you so much, I can't get on family search as I'm on my phone at the moment, will check it out later. Really is fascinating stuff, I can't pick them out in 1911 either, my mother seems to think they lived with Grandparents.
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Interesting to see that the Royal Edward was sunk 4mths after their voyage by a U-Boat.........
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Their parents are highly elusive.... grrrr
I've found a few other things on this side of the pond, but I need to check them out a bit more, and probably won't get them posted tonight.
I still think it would be a good idea to ask a moderator to move this whole thread to the Canada board.... there are some members there that are fantastic at digging up newspaper items, obits, etc.
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Okay, looks like Walter and Mary split up. The whole family is together in 1901 Wales census, by 1911 they are apart and no kids to be seen.
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I wasn't aware there was a Canada board, that would be great, see if I can contact one later
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I know my GGGrandmother Minnie Wilding was residing in Llandilofawr ,
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The 3 daughters, Emily, Elizabeth and Minnie were all domestic servants in different parts of the country.
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I wasn't aware there was a Canada board, that would be great, see if I can contact one later
All you need to do is click on 'Report to moderator' at the bottom right of this post. A message box comes up, you type 'Please move to Canada board' then hit 'Submit', and this all gets moved to the appropriate part of RootsChat :)
Carol
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This looks like them coming over in 1914, but they said they were headed to Saskatchewan, and their occupations are very odd for women at that time! I'm thinking there was a paper mix-up there for whoever wrote up the ship list.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=CANIMM1913PLIST_0000408064-00181&op=img&app=passengerlist
If you have been using familysearch, you should have found Elizabeth's marriage to an Albert Moore.
I checked the Outbound passenger list. They are listed as Emily and Louise Wilding , both domestics, ticket number 12175. Cross checking other entries none of the occupations match.
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Looking at the passenger list......
If one looks at the previous page, there is a list of entirely different names but the same occupations as shown for the passengers on the page with the sisters. I think the line down the middle might be a tear in the page the sisters are on and 1/2 of their page is missing.
Also on the same ticket as the sisters is one William Moore. He would have been a returning Canadian as he is down as having been in Ottawa from 1909-1913. Assuming this the same William that Emily married, they perhaps became acquainted when he returned to England for a visit.
PB
Added: the ship they travelled on actually landed at St John New Brunswick. They would have travelled inland by train from there.
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Interesting stuff thank you, all this Canadian connection is very new to me, is it possible to find the relationship between the 2 husbands William and Arthur? Thank you for all replies so far, very grateful- Richard
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William and Albert were brothers. Albert's marriage cert is available through familysearch or ancestry. It gives his parents as Thomas Moore and Charlotte Arnold as does the record for William.
PB
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Thanks again PB
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Hi,
1921 Canadian census, 81 Henry St. Ottawa, Ont.
Moore, William, age 39 b. England, immigration yr. 1907, can't make out his occupation
Moore, Emily, age 40 b. England, immigration yr. 1914
Moore, Barbara, age 15mths, b. Ontario
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002948593
Death Cert. for William, Family Search has it.
Moore, William Howard, age 53, b. March 16, 1882 Wales England, d. July 4, 1935 Ottawa
Civic Hospital, father Thomas, mother Charlotte Arnold. Wife Emily was the informant, her
address 79 Henry St. Ottawa
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y3SG-QVG?i=938&cc=1307826
1921 Canadian census, 35 Cobourg St., Ottawa (they have been transcribed as Maora)
Moore, Albert, age 28, b. England, immigration yr. 1904, occ. gardener
Moore, Elizabeth, age 32, b. England, immigration yr. 1915
Moore, Thomas E., son, age 4, b. Ontario
Moore, B*, daughter, age 1mth, b. Ontario
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002948584
*may still be living
DB
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Wow, thank you for all that information- my mother will be really happy to gain an insight, thanks again - Richard
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Minnie who was their sister always told my mother that the family was very poor, how would they have afforded the fare on board the Royal Edward, was there a drive for immigration in Canada at the time or would there be jobs to go to
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Obituary for Albert Cecil Moore
The Ottawa Citizen (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 10 Jul 1959, Fri - Page 16
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn3/
Sandra
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Death Notice for Elizabeth Wilding Moore
The Ottawa Journal (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 14 Jun 1943, Mon - Page 22
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn4/
Sandra
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Obituary for Mrs Albert Moore
The Ottawa Citizen (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 14 Jun 1943, Mon - Page 23
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn5/
Sandra
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Looking at the passenger list......
If one looks at the previous page, there is a list of entirely different names but the same occupations as shown for the passengers on the page with the sisters. I think the line down the middle might be a tear in the page the sisters are on and 1/2 of their page is missing.
PB
Added: the ship they travelled on actually landed at St John New Brunswick. They would have travelled inland by train from there.
I don't think I would have ever figured that out; great detective work! I just took a look at other pages, and earlier in the manifest there is a half page with what looks like burnt edges, so something bad happened to the book!
I grabbed the port and date info from the index at Anc. instead of the Archives; I should know better ::)
The 3 daughters, Emily, Elizabeth and Minnie were all domestic servants in different parts of the country.
I was getting hung up finding Emily, as I couldn't find one with a birthplace that matched.
I'm starting to think she added the middle name Barbara when she arrived in Canada, unless it was a name given at baptism, and never used? I think this is her birth:
First name(s) EMILY
Last name WILDING
Birth year 1881
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Harris
District Hay
County Breconshire
Country Wales
Volume 11B
Page 149
Also, no point in moving the thread now, the folks from the Canada board have found you!
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Emily Moore
The Ottawa Journal (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 8 Mar 1972, Wed - Page 42
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn6/
Sandra
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That is so much more than I can ever of hoped, a bit confused regarding the obituary saying she settled with her parents , maybe it was with her fiancee's parents, such personal onformarion, i guess the grandchildren mention in the obituary would be in their 70's now the same as my mother - thank you so much - Richard
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Charles Watkin Preece passed away in Ottawa in 09 Feb 1978. He was the husband of a Rebecca Wilding. I cant't link to his obit but maybe *Sandra* can? It's in the Ottawa Journal 10 Feb 1978.
PB
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Barbara Moore DeBlois - 1920 - 2005
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/697478
Ottawa Citizen 12 March 2005
http://ottawacitizen.remembering.ca/obituary/barbara-de-blois-1066125098
Sandra
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T Paul - 1924 - 2005
http://ottawacitizen.remembering.ca/obituary/t-de-blois-1066125172
Sandra
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Charles Watkin Preece passed away in Ottawa in 09 Feb 1978. He was the husband of a Rebecca Wilding. I cant't link to his obit but maybe *Sandra* can? It's in the Ottawa Journal 10 Feb 1978.
PB
Charles W Preece -
The Ottawa Citizen (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 11 Feb 1978, Sat - Page 74
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nn8/
PA to Polarbear........... ;D ;D
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Obituary for Rebecca Wilding Preece.
The Ottawa Citizen (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 14 Jun 1944, Wed - Page 12
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/30463117/mrs_charles_w_preece/
Sandra
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Barbara Moore DeBlois - 1920 - 2005
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/697478
Ottawa Citizen 12 March 2005
http://ottawacitizen.remembering.ca/obituary/barbara-de-blois-1066125098
Sandra
That would be my mother's 2nd cousin or great aunt, getting confused now 😁
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Thanks for the link, *Sandra*
Someone may correct me but if I've worked out the relationships correctly, she would be your mother's 2nd cousin. And your 3rd cousin, I think.
PB
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You're sharper than me PB, all this new information has blown me away tbh.
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It's a great deal to absorb considering where you started from a couple of days ago.
PB
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a bit confused regarding the obituary saying she settled with her parents ,
Reference: Sandra's finding at https://www.newspapers.com/clip/30462032/mrs_albert_moore/
I think whoever gave the information, possibly a grandchild, just made a bad assumption.
I wouldn't go on a wild goose chase over it!
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Obituary for Gladys Mary Preece Dibden - (daughter of Rebecca Wilding and Charles W Preece.) 1999
https://www.genealogiequebec.com/necro/obituary/539735-PREECE-Gladys-Mary
RK
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Excellent RK
Charles W Dibden
The Ottawa Citizen (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 14 Apr 1989, Fri - Page 36
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/30465845/charles_w_dibden/
http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/dibden_onename/canada.html/
Sandra
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Also, no point in moving the thread now, the folks from the Canada board have found you!
Now I just feel silly.... the thread was moved! I was just linking to it through my email notifications, and didn't notice. ::)
I can't remember if I mentioned this somewhere, but just for general interest, there was a snippet in the Ottawa Journal that I read last night, about Barbara having twins, one boy, one girl.
Also, in the info supplied by Dbree in post #22, I think it could be Heney St., not Henry St. No big deal, but it is always fun to google view the maps to see if the houses are still there. On the cemetery records, Emily Moore lived at 85 Heney St. when she passed , Elizabeth Moore lived at 49 Heney St. and William Howard Moore (born Wales) 79 Heney St. gardener. They definitely liked Heney St!
Albert Cecil Moore (born Wales), who remarried, was at 384 Laurier East, a gardener.
Hopefully these addresses match all the obituaries posted!
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1923 Ottawa City Directory...
Wm Moore, gardener, 81 Heney
https://archive.org/details/ottawadirec192300midiuoft/page/632
Previous page
Albert Moore, gardener, 35 Cobourg
https://archive.org/details/ottawadirec192300midiuoft/page/630
RK
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Ocean arrival for Rebecca:
SS Montcalm, 3rd class, date of sailing, April 20 (no year shown, but if the next image is the back of her ticket, there is a stamp for 01 May, 1923, St. John, New Brunswick.)
Rebecca Preece age 43
husband: Charles W Preece
Birthplace: Clyro
Race: English
Citizenship: Hay
Object in going to Canada: to make my home
Never lived in Canada
Destined to join sister, Mrs. W. H. Moore, 81 Heney St. Ottawa
Nearest relative from country from which you came: brother Mr. G. Wildings, Rose Cottages, Llangadock, Carmarthenshire
Booking agent: at Hereford
Edit: Yes, it was 1923 (checked her hubby's Arrival)
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Barbara Moore DeBlois - 1920 - 2005
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/697478
Ottawa Citizen 12 March 2005
http://ottawacitizen.remembering.ca/obituary/barbara-de-blois-1066125098
Sandra
birth announcement - 1957 - "M"
The Ottawa Citizen (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) 5 Jul 1957, Fri - Page 28
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/30467872/de_blois_birth_announcement_july_1957/
Sandra
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Charles and Gladys also arrived in 1923 with their parents.
PB
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I've been to sleep for a few hours and there are more posts, thanks you all so much, especially PB, Sandra, bbart, RK and anyone else I missed (sounds like an award speech), seriously though the effort is very much appreciated. Just need to work out my next steps regarding current family, and the Holy grail of actually speaking to a current Wilding. Richard