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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: kylemacca007 on Thursday 11 April 19 11:03 BST (UK)
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I wanted to know if anyone could help me date the photo attached?
I am trying to trace my great grandfather and he married my great grandmother while he was a solider in the local barracks in Sheffield.
I found the image attached in my grandmothers home after she passed away. I believe this could be him but cannot date the photograph.
Please feel free to colour the image :)
Thank you in advance.
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Good evening,
Hard to give a definitive date but post WW2. He is wearing 1938 pattern battledress, has medal ribbons and two long service and good conduct stripes.
Do you have a date for the marriage, hopefully between 1946 and early 50s which would fit with the above.
John915
Added; the good conduct stripes were for 2 and 6 years service with no blemishes on his records.
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Hi John,
Thank you for your reply. In the subject header I mentioned maybe this was Thomas and Emily.
However their wedding was dated 1912, so now I’m thinking this isn’t Thomas and Emily.
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Bit of colour
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Can anyone tell me an estimated age for the two people in the photograph?
Thanks
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Do you have any other photographs of Thomas and Emily (even when older) for us to compare and tell you if we think it might be the same couple?
I think these two could be in their be late teens early 20s I think. They look very young.
Her dress looks a little old fashioned for the 40's but it could well be a hand-me-down or remodelled gown. In a lot of the wedding photos we see in this era, the woman is wearing a 'best dress' rather than a wedding dress.
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I would agree with 1940s and them being in their 20s.
Ruskie....materials would have been in short supply in the mid-late 1940s and rationing was still in operation into the 1950s. Her dress looks home made and could be made from parachute silk.
Carol
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Hi,
I don't know for sure if this is 100% Thomas and Emily.
My grandfather and grandmother married in 1945, however images i have of my grandmother when she was younger and I'm 99.9% sure this is not her in the photo. My grandfather was 27 in 1945 and my grandmother 18. They married at the registry office in Sheffield. I think the venue in this image looks similar to a church then the registry office.
I have an image of who i believe may be the same couple attached file name "9" and I believe there is a likeness of the soldier to my grand father in attached image "3" he's on the right. I don't believe they are the same person.
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Your photos didn't attach Kyle...if you try again you need to rename the file, just add a number or letter to the file.
Carol
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Sorry. Please see the missing attachments.
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Oh well done...I think it's highly likely that the guy in the second photo is your soldier...same centre parting which men kept throughout their life.
Carol
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Dear Carol,
Would you agree that the two gentlemen in the images attached look related but are not the same person?
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Yes I would say there is a resemblance Kyle.
Carol
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I was just going to say the same as Carol. Centre part man and soldier are the same man. Your grandfather looks very similar. Did he have a brother?
Added: Carol, good point about the wedding dress possibly being made from parachute silk. I thought that dropped waist looked a bit wrong for the 40s but difficult without knowing what is under that bouquet to make a judgement on the pattern of the dress. :)
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My grand father had four bothers, unfortunately two of them died within twelve months of birth, one died age ten and the youngest wasn't born until 1931. He also had four sisters, one married in 1935 two of them married in 1945 and the youngest never married.
My great grandfather was born 1888-1889 according to his military records and 1939 reg. He died in military of pensions hospital in Leeds in 1942. So if this wedding is dated after 1945 in cannot be him.
Unfortunately i haven't been able to find any details on my great grandfather before he joined the army in 1910, so i do not know if he had any brothers.
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I'm not conversant with military uniform so can't comment and John's date was only an estimate so it could be earlier. I have given it a clean for you and sharpened it up a bit. There looks to be a few years age difference between them.
Carol
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Just a thought...Have you considered that your Grandad could be posing with his Sister and that he is not the Groom in the wedding photo, maybe he gave her away? The bride doesn't look to be the same lady as the lady in the family photo, the bride appears to have a cleft chin.
Carol
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Sorry...posted on wrong thread ::)
Carol
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A colour from me
Pat
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Thank you Pat.
Carol. I didn't consider that it was my grandfather posing with his sister, this could be the case has both his two sisters married in 1945. My only reservation was that i know the man sat in the deckchair on the beach is definitely my grandfather and i wasn't convinced that the solider, the man with the woman and child and my grandfather were all the same person.
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If you are referring to the chap in the cap, then I think he is the same man as the soldier taken some time later. I thought you meant the other guy who looks to be related, but is not the soldier.
Carol
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Hi Carol,
i'm not sure of the gent in the cap, my grand father is the man on the right in the deck chair this is the only thing i know for sure.
Do you think the gent in the cap is the soldier ?
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There is a strong resemblance in my view, but, It's not the other chap, as I mentioned earlier, the soldier has a different hair parting to the guy without the hat, but there is a likeness.
I feel fairly certain that the soldier and the guy in the family photo are the same person.
Carol
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Good afternoon,
I would say the couple on the beach with toddler are the same couple as original pic. I also think their ages would fit with 27 and 18.
I say post war because of the 6 yr good conduct stripe and medal ribbons. Unless he was a soldier pre war in which case you need his records from MOD.
The dress looks too white to be parachute silk, I have the last remnants of my aunts at home. It is actually far from white, more pale beige in colour being natural silk. Parachutes were made up of many small panels so difficult to get lengths from a-line to hem without a join.
John915
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I’ve since discovered that the gent in the cap in the deck chair is my grandfathers brother in law. The guy sat next to him on the right is my grandfather.
I definitely think that you are right, the soldier and the gent sat on the beach are the same person. Is the female in the wedding picture the same female sat on the beach?
My great grandfather served in WW1 for 9 years before being released on medical grounds. On the 1939 Reg he was re-enlisted.
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In my opinion, I don't think the bride is the girl on the beach, as I mentioned earlier, the hair colour is different and the bride looks to have a cleft chin or dimple but it could be shadow. The girl on the beach is very young, look at her legs compared to the man, I believe the man's wife (the bride) could be taking the photo. I think the beach photo could have been taken in the late 1940s early.
Carol
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In my opinion, I don't think the bride is the girl on the beach, as I mentioned earlier, the hair colour is different and the bride looks to have a cleft chin or dimple but it could be shadow. The girl on the beach is very young, look at her legs compared to the man, I believe the man's wife (the bride) could be taking the photo. I think the beach photo could have been taken in the late 1940s early.
Carol
There is a similarity to the bride and the girl on the beach I think though the beach girl is too young and minus the cleft chin as you mention Carol.
The man with centre part looks quite a bit older on the beach than his wedding photo. Might the girls both be his daughters?
There is an obvious age gap between the "daughters" so this might be a good starting point for a search? (although of course there could be other children not present)
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Good evening,
Hard to give a definitive date but post WW2. He is wearing 1938 pattern battledress, has medal ribbons and two long service and good conduct stripes.
Do you have a date for the marriage, hopefully between 1946 and early 50s which would fit with the above.
John915
Added; the good conduct stripes were for 2 and 6 years service with no blemishes on his records.
I have found two wedding of my Grandfarthers sisters both in 1945
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Super photograph, he wears battledress, but with shirt and tie which means soon after WWII. Looks like he volunteered pre War by a few years. Not easy to age, could be 30. He has shoulder title and formation sign, but not visible.
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Hi I would have said late 30s to early 40s for the wedding photo, just going by hair styles, brides clothes style of photo etc.
In my opinion the couple on the beach are the same couple. The light is totally different and so is the image quality which I think accounts for the lack of chin cleft. Together they are proportionally very similar (tall man, petit woman), hair colour is similar as is facial shape. Have you any photos of her in later life?