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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Edward Scott on Saturday 13 April 19 14:27 BST (UK)
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I have yet another will in Latin that I really cannot read. I do not need a full transcription but details of the dates, places, names and relationships would be really useful and appreciated.
The will of Walter Coket 1482 is here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C39Z-SSVQ-X?i=180&cat=278818 (page 181 if the link fails)
It starts halfway down the left hand page and finishes half way the right hand side.
Many thanks
Edward
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To be buried in the chapel of the Blessed Saint Mary, Ampton
(lots of bequests to churches)
To Alice the wife of Hamon Claxton, a maser
To Margaret the wife of Robert Thorsby, 20 ewes
To Agnes the wife of John Althorp, 6s 8d
To Alice Thorysby 20 sheep
To Alice Croftys, 13s 4d
To Thomas Croft 20 sheep
To Alice Clerk 20 sheep
To John Cokett 20 sheep
To Thomas Coket 20 sheep
To John Coket junior 20 sheep
To Bede Thoresby 20 sheep
To John Althorp junior
To John Claxton 13s 4d
To Alice Claxton 13s 4d
William Coket, clerk
To Valentine Stabeler
Prayers for himself, John Coket and Margaret his wife
To Elizabeth Coket, wife of John Coket my nephew
To Robert Rycheman, rector of Ampton, a robe (toga)
To John Coket junior a robe
To John Boteler my servant
To Alice the wife of John Boteler
Executors John Coket junior, Robert Rycheman, Valentine Stabeler
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Thanks, I think the will date is April 1481 with probate in 1482, struggling to work them out.
It's a real shame that he doesn't give his occupation (I thought he was clergy) and the relationship with some of the beneficiaries.
I think he is the son of John Coket that was not mentioned in the longer will from 1445 with all the bequests to churches, etc.
So JC & Margaret are his paternal grandparents
Edward
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He is clericus or clergy, which must make him the son of John and Margaret.
The will date is 12 April 1482.
Most of the Cokets are familiar, but a couple might be identified from Common Pleas records.
Thomas Coket could be this man (Badwell Ash is just a few miles away):
1486
d 915
Thomas Coket, of Badwell Ash, wheelwright
Fourth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no895/bCP40no895dorses/IMG_0915.htm
William Coket, clerk, could be this:
William Coket, of Ingham, Norf, clerk
Hilary term 1468, sixth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E4/CP40no826/bCP40no826dorses/IMG_0923.htm
Edit:
The county in the margin is Norfolk. There is an Ingham in Norfolk, as well as one in Suffolk, near Bury St Edmunds, so I'm inclined to think this Ingham must be the one in Suffolk.
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He is clericus or clergy, which must make him the son of John and Margaret.
The will date is 12 April 1482.
Most of the Cokets are familiar, but a couple might be identified from Common Pleas records.
Thomas Coket could be this man (Badwell Ash is just a few miles away):
1486
d 915
Thomas Coket, of Badwell Ash, wheelwright
Fourth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no895/bCP40no895dorses/IMG_0915.htm
William Coket, clerk, could be this:
William Coket, of Ingham, Norf, clerk
Hilary term 1468, sixth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E4/CP40no826/bCP40no826dorses/IMG_0923.htm
Fantastic, thanks.
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He is not mentioned in the 1445 will of JC so no evidence yet as to his parentage. I was hoping for more family clues from the will.
I have some more on order from Suffolk Archives which may help.
Nice to see the Croft name appearing as I know there is a link but I cannot find it.
Thanks again
Edward
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Having a senior moment - of course he is in JC's 1445 will as on & Rector of Livermere
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It's quite abbreviated, but the prayers for John Coket and Margaret his wife in his will are for his father and mother. "patris mei... et matris mei"
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William Coket, clerk, could be this:
William Coket, of Ingham, Norf, clerk
Hilary term 1468, sixth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E4/CP40no826/bCP40no826dorses/IMG_0923.htm
Could you please let me have the highlights of this
thanks
Edward
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Norf. William Coket, of Ingham, clerk, and William Boneman (or Boueman), of Thetford, chaplain, versus Walter Veyll, of Thetford, draper, and William Mychell, of Thetford, tailor. Debt of 14 marks.
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Thanks
William Coket, will 1492 Rector of Ingham, is probably the son of Walter of Ingham who is mentioned in JC's will of 1445 as a brother. There are also some late c15th documents at Kew that link another son John (of Timworth) to Walter.
Enough for today especially as Fulham won :)
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Calendar of Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland: vol. 9, 1431-1447, published by HMSO 1912.
Coket, William, clerk
Cocte, William, rector of Livermere and Horningsheath
Volume 9 is on British History Online. I don't know if other volumes are.
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Calendar of Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland: vol. 9, 1431-1447, published by HMSO 1912.
Coket, William, clerk
Cocte, William, rector of Livermere and Horningsheath
Volume 9 is on British History Online. I don't know if other volumes are.
I think this William rector of Livermere must be an error. In his father's will in 1445, he was identified as Walter, rector of Livermere.
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Calendar of Papal Registers Relating to Great Britain and Ireland: vol. 9, 1431-1447, published by HMSO 1912.
Coket, William, clerk
Cocte, William, rector of Livermere and Horningsheath
Volume 9 is on British History Online. I don't know if other volumes are.
Thanks, this is interesting although I do not know where this William fits in (yet)
From https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-papal-registers/brit-ie/vol9/pp252-262
1443 14 Kal. May. Florence (f. 282d.) To William Coket, clerk, of the diocese of Norwich. Dispensation to him, who is in about his twenty-first year, after he attains his twenty-second year to receive and hold any benefice with cure or otherwise incompatible, even if a parish church or a perpetual vicarage, or a dignity etc. Vite etc. (B. and G. de Elten. | B. xx. Valven.)
From https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-papal-registers/brit-ie/vol9/pp222-244
1441 6 ld May Florence (f.307) To William Cocte, rector of the parish churches of Livermer and Hornyngysheth, of the diocese of Norwich, I.U.B. The like. Sincere etc. (B. and Carolus. | B. x. Valven.)
From Cambridge University Alumni 363. A William Cockett was R. of Gt Livermere, Suffolk. Will proved at Bury, Suffolk, Feb. 7, 1479. (V. B. Redstone.)
The will of Walter 1482 shows him as being 'of Ampton', his fathers will 1445 shows him as 'Rector of Great Livermere'.
So definitely 2 different people
I'll do some more digging later
Thanks again
Edward
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A cursory internet search showed other runs of the Calendar of Papal Registers Re. GB & Ire.
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I wonder if this could be an earlier generation of this family, Simon Coket, of Ingham by Bury, yeoman. Possibly the father of Walter Coket of Ingham? Also here is a John Coket, of Thetford, yeoman.
Easter 1416, f 524
Norwich. Robert Brasyer, of Norwich versus William Maweteld, of Thurton, gent; Waren atte Lane, of Ocle, yeoman; John Wolleman, of Ingham juxta Bury, Suff, yeoman; Simon Coket, of Ingham juxta Bury, yeoman; John Coket, of Thetford, yeoman. Debt of 100 shillings from each of them.
Fourth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no621/aCP40no621fronts/IMG_0524.htm
Also, I don't know if this is the same individual in the Medieval Soldier database, since he is identified only by name:
Simon Coket, Expedition France, 1417, from a Muster Roll
http://www.medievalsoldier.org/dbsearch/
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It is highly likely to be the same family, I have 14 wills on order and I am hoping that they will help sort this lot out. John & Robert are very popular forenames for this family.
I cannot see a will for Simon.
Edward
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I'll see if any of them are in The Poll Taxes of 1377, 1379, and 1381, by Carolyn Fenwick.
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Here's another Coket in that area: Richard Coket, of Great Levermere, yeoman.
Hilary term 1429
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no672/aCP40no672fronts/IMG_0627.htm
Suffolk. Richard Coket, of Magna Levermere, yeoman, attached to answer Robert Clopton, William Clopton, esquire; John Smyth, clerk; Augustine Duntton; John Holt; and Roger Merssh on a complaint that he, together with Thomas Thirlowe, of Magna Levermere, yeoman; Richard Hargwheham, of Magna Levermere, yeoman; Edmund Smyth, of Magna Levermere, yeoman; Henry Smyth, of Magna Levermere, yeoman; and Walter Hunte, of Magna Levermere, yeoman, trampled and destroyed hay (herbam…conculcavit et consumpsit) worth 40 pounds at Magna Levermere.
Richard answered that the land was waste ground called Leveremere More which had been common pasture time out of mind.