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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Buteshire => Topic started by: elaine gray on Saturday 13 April 19 14:53 BST (UK)
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Hi there, I'm researching Robert McKinnon. Sadly, all I've got on him is he married Agnes Brown in Lesmahagow and had Abigail in 1826 there. He was a Carter. I'm sure he has Arran connections as I think some of his offspring went there. It shows on some trees that he had a son Walter who was convicted of stealing coal and sent to Australia. He also appears to have died young and his name was sometimes noted as McConnon, abigail actually shows on birth record as Connon. That's it!
Elaine
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Update, abigail was born c1826, Sorry
Elaine
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Have you checked the records on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I note the trees you mention, Abigail is noted as Abigail McConnon Mckinnon,
Some records state they had 17 children in 17 Years, Robert died age 54 in 1841. The trees state they married in 1812 Lesmahagow but no record on SP.
CONNON ABIGAIL ROBERT CONNON/AGNES BROWN 25/02/1826 Lesmahagow
MCCOWAN WALTER ROBERT MCCOWAN/AGNESS BROWN 08/08/1819 Lesmahagow
Oldest son, and the others seem to be on SP, surname spelling, McCowan, McCouan, McConan, and Abigail is the only one Connon. None McKinnon.
Sadly no marriage for a Robert of any name to Agnes Brown on SP 1800 – 1850
However:
MCKENNON ROBERT Age 75 (1766) Died 29/04/1841 Lesmahagow
Colin
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1841 Devon Burn, Lesmahagow
Agnes McConan 40
Elizabeth McConan 15
John McConan 12
Martha McConan 7
David Mc Claimet 45
William Grahame 30
Not there 1851, maybe with below, possible marriage you would need to check record to see if they were both widowed.
MACCONAN AGNES ARCHIBALD GILCHRIST 07/12/1845 Carluke
Colin
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Hi Colin, the thing about sp is that you have to have correct spelling. When abigail died it def had Robert McKinnon as father. Think it's the usual written as it sounds and no one corrects it. Will look at mckennon. Thanks, if that's correct he must have mean he was lot older. Will look at that marriage. Gilchrist shows up on my dna matches!!!
Thanks Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
Hope that works out. Just a couple of points, on SP you do not need exact spelling , try Fuzzy Match or one of the other options. I found most of the info. just using Robert & Agnes.
The death of a McKennon might not be relevant or might be a relative. I would think from the birth records Robert would have been born later?
Colin
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Apart from the tips from Colin, SP also accepts the symbol of '*' as a wildcard for spelling variations. You can use as many as you wants. There is also no minimum on letters you have to use for a name seach. For example, if I was searching for a Jane (common variant is Jean), I search for j*an*.
Monica :)
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Hi thanks, will try that. However, I found Agnes mcconnan in 1851 census living with her brother in law John mcconnan and his wife and family. John was born in durisdeer, Dumfries-shire. Reckon I'm wrong about the Arran link but will get further back and see. This means that Agnes couldn't have married Archibald gilchrist in 1845.
Will look into this durisdeer link and post my findings, might help someone else researching this family.
Big question is are they originally McKinnon with name spelt incorrectly or did they change the name...... Work to be done.... Elaine
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Just adding link to the old post for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800915.0
Hopefully, Agnes' brother in law John died after 1855 and his parents' names were noted on his death cert to help you work back with confidence on Robert's line.
Monica
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We are related to McCannons of Baltimore who came from Ireland in the 1780's. Revolutionary War records show a Christopher McCannon(MacKinnon). Scotish surname books claim McCannon to be an anglicised spelling of MacKinnon.
www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.britisles.ireland.crk.general/2527.4938/mb.ashx
I think in your searches, as you have found, you are going to have to be very open minded on the spelling variations.
Maybe they were originally Irish and name changed over time to McKinnon over the later period of the 1800s.
Monica
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Was Walter the first born son to Robert and Agnes? This couple look a good possibility for Robert's parents:
Kirpatrick Mcconnan
Christening 26 Aug 1777 DURRISDEER, DUMFRIES
Father's Name Walter Mcconnan
Mother's Name Abigail Hair
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT1B-PL4
One more entry from 1775 here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT11-6X7
Monica
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Yes, my hope too! Think he did, will add it to my list of searches for my next trip to the Mitchell library. I now just do that, I can so quickly go thro the credits on sp!!
Thanks for the replies, Elaine
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Was the John that you found as Agnes' brother in law married to a Margaret Carter? I can't easily see the 1851 census entry you found....likely down to spelling variants and bad transcripts!
Monica
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Hi Monica, was def Elizabeth and I'm sure she was Dumfries-shire too. I will get back to you with that. Trying to charge phone with the cable I jammed in car door earlier.!!! So will have to wait until I get charged up again.
I did see a John and margaret too!
Elaine
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Monica, the parents you found below, were cited on Ancestry, as the parents of Robert born 1754, according to them?
Father's Name Walter Mcconnan
Mother's Name Abigail Hair
With regards to Agnes Brown wife of Robert above, Ancestry trees do not seem to be correct?
Colin
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Fingers crossed cable is good to charge, Elaine!
Colin, does seem a likely couple for Robert's parents doesn't it.
Monica
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Hi again, I found a john mcconnan b in Dumfries abt 1811 as per the census dad John and mum Margaret, no maiden name. But I think that must be the parents, Robert and agnes had son Walter, claimed to be the convict, and my gtgt gran abigail, unusual names for it to be a coincidence???
Be in touch, I read the post re mckinnon, baltimore, thanks, Elaine
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And, as per abigails death cert her dad Was Def Robert mckinnon and mum Agnes brown.
Elaine
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Just adding this ref later. The reason I asked whether John brother in law had been married to a Margaret Carter is because of this entry:
Abigail Mcconnan
Christening 14 Oct 1816 CRAWFORDJOHN, LANARK
Father's Name John Mcconnan
Mother's Name Margaret Carter
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X15N-7Q7
Monica
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Ah, that's needing looked at, must be a connection with my abigail, Elaine
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Abigail is not that common a Scottish first name.
I see there is an Abigail McConnan born or christened in 1818 in Crawfordjohn to a John McConnan and Margaret Carter.
Could John McConnan be connected to Robert? Maybe the name Abigail may help connect to both these possible families.
Monica
I am repeating myself for sure ;D
If you can post that entry you found when you can with Agnes and brother in law John, would be good to see the details here.
Monica
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Someone researching the line of McConnan and Carter here:
McConnan Carter
Researching McConnan & Carter Lanarkshire (LKS, County, Scotland) John McConnan b1774 & Margaret Carter b1785 parents to 6 children John, Walter, Marion, Robert, Abigail, Grizel d, Grizel, christened Lanark Crawfordjohn. Some marriages were at St Nicholas Aberdeen. Three of their children came to Australia 1830's Would like to hear from anyone with the same interest please ..dee
www.curiousfox.com/vill100/Lanarkshire70055_1.html
From this, the names of Walter, Abigail and Robert would obviously connect to your Robert.
Monica
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Sticky note here though....
In the Book "Crawfordjohn Death Records" by the Lanarkshire family history society is the following. McConnon, John buried in this churchyard, Abode Glenbeath, Date of death 3 mar 1822 age 42 also McConnon, Grizel Daughter of John McConnon & Margaret Carter buried in this churchyard. Abode Glenbeath, Date of death 30 Nov 1820 age 1yr 6 mo.
https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/lanark.rootsweb.com/thread/856163/
This does not fit with Agnes being with brother in law John in 1851...
Monica
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Hi, emmm, could the John be an uncle?
I can see me buying credits for sp tomorrow, oh how weak am I.....
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Oh no, I've just found that census, Agness born 1826, it was abigail that was born then!!!! So Agness is John's sister in law, can't believe I got it wrong. Must stop researching when I'm sleepy 😴.
So, maybe Colin was correct and she did marry gilchrist, maybe they're not from durisdeer, but I think they were as per names of the parents..
.. Will quickly look for a Walter.....
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Hi folks, further to our previous correspondence, Robert was the son of Walter McConnon (later McKinnon) and Abigail Hair, born Durrisdeer, Dumfries-shire. At the moment I'm saying that abigail was born Ayrshire.
Apart from the names - Robert had son Walter and dgt Abigail - I have traced my Mcmurdo dna matches and they came from Durrisdeer and there's high possibility that Walters mother was Mcmurdo.
Thanks to all that replied and if anyone has any connection to above please pm me.
Elaine
Ps Walter, the son of Robert, was the convict who went to Australia. I'm descended from his sister, abigail.