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Title: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: Budgie1 on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:09 BST (UK)
Hi.
I was looking for help in how to trace my Scottish roots.
Their name is McDonald and they came over from Ireland to Scotland in the 1800s.  But I am sure they must have originated from Scotland and went to Ireland first.  I got told that there was a story that they went to Ireland in the 1600s.  How would I find when they first went to Ireland and when the first ones came back to Scotland again.

Thanks

Martin
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: chempat on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:34 BST (UK)
'I got told that there was a story that they went to Ireland in the 1600s.'

Who told you?

'they came over from Ireland to Scotland in the 1800s.'

When did they come, and their names, please?
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:50 BST (UK)
Hi Martin

Best to start with what you know for certain and most recent and then work back into their histories. You will find Ireland soon enough.

Not sure you will be able to get back to the 1600s to verify anything of the family stories though. Irish records can be complicated. Lots of help here on RC to help you try to see what you can find, more probably than not in the 1800s.

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 17 April 19 22:53 BST (UK)
Are you working back from Margaret McDonald? www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=785897.0

Monica
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: Budgie1 on Thursday 18 April 19 07:28 BST (UK)
Chempat,
I got told from a cousin in the USA

The earliest I have is an Edward McDonald that was born in Ireland
644/8 Scottish census 1901, died in Scotland in 1940.  His Mother was Margaret McMullen who I have no info on and his father I think was Edward James McDonald.
There is one of their graves in St Patricks, Eglish in Dungannon, Tyrone.

Edward McDonald, who must be a great great grandfather.  His son died in 7th February 1846 aged 21.  which takes it back to 1825if his son Jon was born in Ireland
Henry McDonald died 20th November 1984 aged 70 and his wife cecilia died 4th January 2003 aged 89
They had a farm in the township of Cormullagh

MonicaL.
Yes , I am working back from Margaret McDonald

Thanks

Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Thursday 18 April 19 15:27 BST (UK)

The earliest I have is an Edward McDonald that was born in Ireland
644/8 Scottish census 1901, died in Scotland in 1940.  His Mother was Margaret McMullen who I have no info on and his father I think was Edward James McDonald.


You say you think Edwardís father is Edward James. You know he died in Scotland in 1940. Have you checked his death certificate? That should give you his fatherís name and occupation.  (Its hard trying to assist if the information we have isnít reliable or verified from easily available on-line sources).

When was Edward born and did he marry?  If so, where and when? (Again his marriage certificate should give information on his father).  Have you explored those possibilities?
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: chempat on Thursday 18 April 19 23:43 BST (UK)
Is this Edward in 1891?

Living at 188 Preston St in  Registration district: Bridgeton  Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony, Lanarkshire
Richard Young   64
Mary Young   60
George Young   30
Edward McDonald   29  Occupation:Platte  Visitor Ireland

''they came over from Ireland to Scotland in the 1800s.''
Edward was born 1860/1861, so did not come over until after that, surely?
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: chempat on Friday 19 April 19 07:10 BST (UK)
Your family is in a tree on Ancestry, little information on Edward's parents, except suggests it is Margaret McMillan not McMullan - this could just be a difference in pronunciation.
(Married Margaret Boyle in 1895)

Added:
Tree suggests had 6 daughters in Scotland, then 2 sons in Ireland, 1896 to 1910??
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: chempat on Friday 19 April 19 07:25 BST (UK)
Have you got the family in 1911?

Added:
from the previous work:

'Using the index to 1911 census on Scotlandspeople the family seem to be in Paisley in 1911. Margaret (born 1900) is not with them but other names tally. Ref is 573/1 61/5
Edward age 46
Margaret age 32
Mary Ann age 15
Susanagh age 14
Ellen age 12
Jane age 8 ( this could be the sister Jean that Margaret went to in US)
Elizabeth age 6
Edward age 5
Francis age 3
James age 0'
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: Budgie1 on Friday 19 April 19 07:39 BST (UK)
Hi Chempat

I will put all the info I have on tonight when finished work. 
My head is full of info that I find hard to process sometimes.  I have looked back at my Scotlands people info and have a few more things that I hadnt noted down.

Sorry
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: Budgie1 on Friday 19 April 19 23:09 BST (UK)
Yes. Thats the correct family and the ones contacted.

here is the info I have

Ellen McDonald dob 1899 15 Milton street Glasgow father Edward McDonald, Mother Margaret Boyle
Susan McDonald 27 y.o  married to Frank Carey 27.  13th June 1922
Edward McDonald married to Margaret Boyle died 9th August 1940  174 New city road Glasgow.  Daughter= Catherine Hannay 126 Inglely Drive glasgow   
Father Edward James McDonald and Mother Margaret McMullan
15th February 1895.  Marriage= Edward McDonald 27 (97 woodside road Glasgow) to Margaret Boyle 19 (265 Garscube road Glasgow)
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: Skoosh on Saturday 20 April 19 09:30 BST (UK)
@ Budgie, these addresses are roughly in the same area apart from Ingleby Drive which is in Dennistoun!

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Help needed in Tracing Scottish Roots from Scotland to Ireland to Scotland again
Post by: Budgie1 on Sunday 21 April 19 09:23 BST (UK)
@Skoosh
Yes, I know.  I think all the family gathered around the one area as far as I can see. before heading to America.