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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: kd on Saturday 20 April 19 14:14 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Can anyone please help.
I am researching the Metz family in Germany and The Netherlands, in particular Friedrich Emil Metz born 1822 Leipzig died 1890 Lingen married two Gelshorn sisters i have found a link for Franz Wilhelm Metz who i believe to be his brother. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Wilhelm_MetzWikipedia and it states parents as Adam Reihnhard Metz and Rosinna Otto.
On Ancestry there is a tree showing them as parents but says that Adam supposedly chose a brand new last name and walked away from his past. Apparently he had been persecuted somewhere (Hungary?) and had fled to Germany.
I have no access to contact the person who owns the tree but am trying to find the marriages for Friedrich, would the fathers name be on certificates as they are in the UK
Sorry if this sounds vague but i am at a complete standstill with this as i do not understand German Documents.
Is there anyway of proving that Adam is the father?
Thank you
kd
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OK ...well we have found one record to help you -
the marriage of their son Franz Wilhelm in 1855
Name Franz Wilhelm Metz
Birth Date 06 Oct 1817
Birthplace Leipzig
Spouse's Name Kunigunde Auguste Dorothea Ravenstein
Spouse's Birth Date 27 Jul 1836
Event Date 26 Dec 1855
Event Place Hessen-Nassau, Preußen, Germany
Father's Name Adam Reinhard Metz
Mother's Name Johanna Rosina Otto
Spouse's Father's Name Friedrich August Ravenstein
Spouse's Mother's Name Katharina Helenza
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single
so we know Rosina was Johanna Rosina
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Thank you for the information, I will search some more.
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16 pages - P in yellow means pay - Green tree is free to view - good luck
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?country__0__=DEU&country__1__=&country__2__=&country__3__=&country__4__=&exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&from=1780&go=1&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&nom=otto&page=1&place__0__=&place__1__=&place__2__=&place__3__=&place__4__=&prenom=johanna&prenom_operateur=or®ion__0__=®ion__1__=®ion__2__=®ion__3__=®ion__4__=&size=10&subregion__0__=&subregion__1__=&subregion__2__=&subregion__3__=&subregion__4__=&to=1810&type_periode=between&zonegeo__0__=Germany&zonegeo__1__=&zonegeo__2__=&zonegeo__3__=&zonegeo__4__=
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i have found a link for Franz Wilhelm Metz who i believe to be his brother. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Wilhelm_MetzWikipedia and it states parents as Adam Reihnhard Metz and Rosinna Otto.
are you sure that Franz Wilhelm is his brother?
What religion were they?
Dave
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I think I may have the wrong family, I am still interested in finding any information on Freidrich Emil Metz.
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Hi kd
i have found a few doc´s that may help.
Firstly, i think it is questionable that the two Gelshorn wives were sisters. They may have been cousins
I found the following:
1. the marriage record for Friedrich Emil Metz, born 14 Jul 1822 in Leipzig, and Catharina Gelshorn Lingen, in 1852. There his father is stated as being Adam Metz, no mother mentioned. Catharina Gelshorn was a widow when she married Friedrich Emil. Quite an achievment considering the fact she died in 1857 aged 28.
2. the birth record for Catherina Gelshorn in 1828. Father: Johann David Gelshorn. Mother: Maria Wellinghof
3. the marriage record from 1857 for Friedrich Emil Metz, born 14 Jul 1822 in Leipzig, and Friederike Gelshorn, born 19 June 1833. There his father is stated as being Adam Reinhard Metz, mother Johanna Rosina Otto. Friederike Gelshorns father is stated as being August Wilhelm Gelshorn, mother Wilhelmine Goosmann.
The birth records from Lingen have no entry for Friederike Gelshorn in 1833
4. the death record for Catherina Metz(Gelshorn), 2 march 1857. Stating she was the daughter of Johann David Gelshorn and Maria Wellinghof, widow of Ernst Hohmann and wife of Friedrich Metz
I also have the records from some of the children
Dave
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Hello Davecapps,
Thank you so much for the information. This is my Daughter in Laws direct line.
It looks like i did have the right family after all.
I have been doing my own family for quite a while but have never had to deal with German records, i have had some help with Dutch records and found the Noord-Hollands archief and Open Archives really helpful.
Are you related in anyway?
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No I´m not related at all.
If you want the records i found, I am willing to help with transcriptions and translations.
To make things a bit easier and avoid doing things twice it would help if i knew what records you have (or don´t have).
As i said i have the marriage records of Friedrich Emil, the details of his 2 wives and some of his children.
It might make things a little easier if we do this per eMail.
Send me a PM with your address
Dave
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Hello, I am Adam Reinhard Metz's great-great-great granddaughter. Friedrich Emil Metz is my great-great grandfather, and his daughter Charlotte Catherine Maria Johanna Metz was my great-grandmother (my mother, who is 93, called her "Muetterchen," German for "little Mother"). I am the person that posted the information regarding his having changed his name, etc. etc. This is family history that has come down through the generations though I have no evidence that it is actually true.
You said you are looking for info on Friedrich Emil? Are you related? That would make us cousins.
If you are active on Ancestry.com you can message me directly there.
Also, I speak German and I can read old German script (and much old German handwriting, though not all.)
Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Thanks,
Christa
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Hello Christa,
Thank you for getting in touch.
I have tried sending you a personal message but it says your in box is full.
The line we are following is through Carl Heinrich Metz and Geertruida Marie Groeneveld their son Friedrich Emil Dirk Metz and Hendrica Kaarsgaren their son also Friedrich Emil Dirk Metz.
We know the family moved to The Netherlands but don't know when. Friedrich Emil Dirk Jr. Moved to South Africa with his wife who is still living. My D. I. L was born there, her father is still living an in America now.
Please send me a PM and we can exchange emails which I think would be easier.
Hope to hear from you soon
Kaye
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Hi Kaye,
I think Christa will need to write a couple more posts before the PM function can be used.
Can't remember exactly, but I think it's something like 3 posts.
Best regards,
Karen
Edited:
I just checked. :)
New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
Please note: If you are sending PMs to new members who have less than three posts you will receive an error message, that your limit, or allowed number has been reached. (note that it says your limit, although it actually refers to the recipient.)
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Thank you. Will wait to see if Christa reads this.
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Hi there, I was trying to figure out why I couldn't send a PM, thanks for the explanation. This should qualify as post #2 and then I'll post another so I have 3. Let's see if that opens up the chat functionality for me. Thanks!
Christa
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OK here we go, post #3. After this I will try to PM. Stay tuned... :)