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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: cyndisvanda on Tuesday 23 April 19 04:09 BST (UK)
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Family Information on..
Michael Devereux & Ellen (nee Hickey they had 12 children . Unsure who Michael's parent are however his mom may have been a Ellen Heffernan
Michael Tobin & Bridget (nee Devereux). They had 7 children, and had a store/bar in New Inn
Edward Morrissey & Margaret (nee Devereux) they had 7 children
Peter Devereux & Ellen (nee Pendergast) who had 11 children.
Most of the family was in Cashel, New Inn, Kilpeak, Clogheen, Rosecrede, County Tipperary. I am trying to find information on the above mentioned children of the parents listed. The families were large so somewhere someone as information to full in blanks. Any help direction appreciated
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You haven't given any dates.
How are these couples related to each other?
I did find a Peter Deveraux and Ellen Pendergast marriage in 1878, is it the correct couple.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11093/8059849.pdf
Edward Morrissy and Margaret Deveraux 1886. Is this the correct couple?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10829/5949772.pdf
Have you found all these couples in the 1901 or 1911 census?
If you have links to the census would help.
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Family Information on..
Michael Devereux & Ellen (nee Hickey they had 12 children . Unsure who Michael's parent are however his mom may have been a Ellen Heffernan
Michael Tobin & Bridget (nee Devereux). They had 7 children, and had a store/bar in New Inn
Edward Morrissey & Margaret (nee Devereux) they had 7 children
Peter Devereux & Ellen (nee Pendergast) who had 11 children.
Most of the family was in Cashel, New Inn, Kilpeak, Clogheen, Rosecrede, County Tipperary. I am trying to find information on the above mentioned children of the parents listed. The families were large so somewhere someone as information to full in blanks. Any help direction appreciated
If you know the names of those children please tell us. The more information you tell us the easier it will be to help you with information or advice where to search next.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Knockgraffon/Tooloone/815996/
Peter and Ellen Devereux with 7 children 1911 census 11 children born, 8 living
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Knockgraffon/Newinn_Town/816019/
Tobin family 1911 census Bridget widow with 5 children Shopkeeper 7 children born, 6 living
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Golden/Ballinlough/831487/
Margaret and Edward Morrissey with 3 children census 1911 4 children born, 3 living
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Michael and Ellen are the parents. The others are their children. Yes I have the 1901 and 1911 census. I even found marriage information I need to go further back. I have the birthdays of all of Michael and Ellen's children. However Michael (jr) born 1842 died before 1899 and I can't find death info
John born 1846 died in infancy before 1850 which I can't find and Philip born 1855 died in infancy before 1859.
Son Peter and wife Ellen Pendergast had 11 kids, 4 of which I have no death dates.
I have copies of letters written by siblings as from the late 1800/early 1900 which say things like 1 son joined army in war 1918 wounded in France sent home them back again.
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Civil registration began in 1864 and before that you are looking to Parish records.
Deaths or Burials are rarely recorded in parish records.
Have you checked parish records for baptisms?
Did any of the children die after 1864?
Civil records are here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
You mention four death dates for children of Peter and Ellen - what are their names?
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New Inn and Knockgraffon https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0274
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01np2/ C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Devereux
Then go to https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php select Tipperary fron dropdown box and get the Districts and look up those districts from the List on left on c reg results
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Yes I've checked parish records, the missing death dates for Michael & Ellen kids were between 1850 and 1859.
Peter &Ellen kids who I'm missing are Ellen (Lillie) born 1888 unknown death,
John born 1890 unknown death
Mary born 1898 unknown death
Patrick (2nd of that name) born 1903 unknown death
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You can select Deaths from the link posted and also timeframe/decades....
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Even if you don't know District you can go to
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
and do this search.... add year range if you want
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There are deaths of a Philip in 1898 and Mary 1881 which look good for Ellen and Peter's children.
Keep in mind people often reused names of children who had died.
Also a Patrick in 1903.
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Michael and Ellen are the parents. The others are their children. Yes I have the 1901 and 1911 census. I even found marriage information I need to go further back. I have the birthdays of all of Michael and Ellen's children. However Michael (jr) born 1842 died before 1899 and I can't find death info
John born 1846 died in infancy before 1850 which I can't find and Philip born 1855 died in infancy before 1859.
Very unlikely you will find deaths before 1864 as most RC parishes didn't keep a death register.
How do you know Michael Jr died before 1899?
People were not great at registering deaths in Ireland so it's not unusual to be unable to find a death cert after 1864.
"You need to go back further" from whom at what date? In other words what is the earlies record you have?
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https://www.irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board/devereux-family
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Most of the family was in Cashel, New Inn, Kilpeak, Clogheen, Rosecrede, County Tipperary.
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2016/0805/807129-say-someone-left-you-a-hotel-in-their-will/
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Hi, Is this your Michael Devereux?
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=Devereux+&firstname=michael&county=Tipperary&parish=&townland=&search=Search
the map
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/clanwilliam/cordangan/knockanrawley/
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