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Can anyone help me trace my grandfather please.
I always understood that he was born in STOGUMBER Somerset in 1865. His christian name was James. He became a Salvation Army Officer and later married Alice Mary Boyce of London. They were married at Pontypridd (South Wales) 24/12/1892 in the Methodist Chapel. He had a sister Emma who lived in Penygraig. :(.Many Thanks
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Hi Lesmo!
I can't find a couple that match your description.
I wonder if you know anything more about them? Do you have the marriage certificate - it would give father's names and occupations?
Was James' full time occupation that of Salvation Army officer? I can find a James married to an Alice, but the places of birth are wrong. It is probably easier to start with the later censuses and work back, so I am guessing we should be looking in Wales for those?
Finally what children did they have and when? If we can find them in 1901 it would help a lot.
More questions than answers, sorry! :)
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hello.
Many thanks for your contact. I don't have a lot to go on. My G/Dad James (Henry) Watts was born in Stogumber 1865. He wasn't a Salvation Army Officer for long. He married my G/Mother who was born in London.(Alice Mary) 1/6/1872. They married Christmas Eve 1892 in Pontypridd Methodist. He died 20/9/1944 at Caerphilly and she died 19/9/1961 in Cardiff. Known children, all deceased are:- Alfred, James, Alice (Cissie) and Rose Maud, my mother. Mum was born in London 6/10/1905. She died in Cardiff 18/4/1985. I don't know if this is of any help, but please accept my grateful thanks for trying.
Good Luck.
Les ::)
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Can you tell us James (Henry) fathers name from the marriage cert, if you have it. I can't see any obvious candidates in the 1871 census.
:'(
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Hello!
Thanks for your contact. No I do not have the certificate but I have always understood his name to be JamesThanks a lot.
Les
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I'm struggling too - an occupation and the dates of birth of the children would help a lot.
See how eager we are to help?? ;D ;D
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Hi again Les
freebmd appears to have your mum's birth
Rose Maud WATTS
December quarter 1905
Hackney Volume 1b Page 471
If you send for the certificate it will give your grandparents full names and grandfather's occupation.
Any idea when they moved to/ from Wales?
Arranroots ;)
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1901 census RG13 227 folio 54
145 haggerston Road Hackney London
Henry J Watts 32 Somerset, Head Married Painter
Alice M Watts 28 Shoreditch, London, Wife
Alice M Watts 2 Hackney, London,
Henry J Watts 2 Hackney, London
Eliza Boyce 62 Shoreditch, London, Mother-in-law Widow Canvas Sail maker
Regards
Valda
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1881 census RG12 2357 folio 33
Kingswood, Stogumber, Somerset
Josua Watts 57 Monksilver, Somerset, Head Married Highway labourer
Susan Watts 47 Stogumber, Somerset, Wife Married
Sarah Ann Watts 19 Stogumber, Somerset, Daughter
Henery Watts 13 Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Thomas Watts 10 Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Rosey Watts 8 Stogumber, Somerset, Daughter
Alace Watts 7 Stogumber, Somerset, Daughter
Willie Watts 1 Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Regards
Valda
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RG12/4408 32 1
Henry WATTS serv U 23 - groom domestic - Stogumber Somerset
Address: Barry Hotel, Barry , Glamorgan
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Here's Alice in 1891
RG12/190 28 50
BOYCE Eliza H W 50 - tent maker
BOYCE Emma dau U 20 - ditto
BOYCE Robert son 16 - stickmaker
BOYCE Alice dau 18 - gen serv
All born Shoreditch
Address: 6 Downham Road, St John Hackney
;)
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1871 census RG10 23 55 folio 9
Stogumber Somerset
Joshua Watts 43 Monksilver, Somerset, England Head Married Highway Labourer
Susan Watts 37 Stogumber, Somerset, Wife Married
Elizabeth Watts 10 Stogumber, Somerset, Daughter
William Watts 7 Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Lydia Watts 6 Stogumber, Somerset, Daughter
Harry Watts 4 Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Susan Watts 2 Stogumber, Somerset Daughter
Thomas Watts 5 mths Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Regards
Valda
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1861 census RG9 1605 folio 31
Kingswood Stogumber Somerset
Joshua Watts 34 Monksilver, Somerset, Head Married Ag lab
Susan Watts 27 Stogumber, Somerset, Wife Married
Charles Watts 7 Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Mary Watts 6 Stogumber, Somerset, Daughter
Joshua Watts 2 Stogumber, Somerset, Son
Sarah Ann Watts 8 mths Stogumber, Somerset, Daughter
Regards
Valda
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This may be the BOYCE family in 1871, but I can't find them in 1881 to provide better confirmation.
RG10/454 27 1
BOYCE John H M 45 - furniture dealer
BOYCE Eliza W M 39
BOYCE Joseph son 12
BOYCE John son 10
BOYCE Clara dau 7
BOYCE Ellen dau 4
BOYCE Emma dau 8 months
ROBSON Henry nephew U 25 - gas fitter
All born Shoreditch
Address: 1 Pimlico Walk, Hoxton Old Town, Shoreditch
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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i have transcribed the pages of the Salvation Army records of Treforest Pontypridd.
Give me a name and i will look if they are on the Treforest list.
Several of my relatives were in the Salvation Army there.
I am also related to the Boyces of Pontypridd and Somerset.
I have a website.
www.Boycegenes.4t.com
David Boyce
Bridgend
South Wales
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JUST AN UPDATE OF WHAT I HAVE FOUND HERE.
ALL PERSONS LISTED AT
MARRIAGE IN PONTYPRIDD DEC QTR 1892 11A 814
ALICE MARY BOYCE
ALBERT COOK
MAGGIE EVANS
ELIZABETH MULCUCK
MEYLAR WILLIAMS
ALTHOUGH ALICE MAY JUST HAVE BEEN A WITNESS TO THE WEDDING AS IT DOESNT STATE WHO THE MARRIED COUPLE WERE.
SALVATION ARMY TREFOREST LOG..
THERE IS ONE PAGE MISSING FROM WHAT WAS SENT TO ME FROM THE S.A. HERITAGE CENTRE.
ONLY WATTS LISTED WAS No.108 LILIAN WATTS of LONG ROW WHO WAS SHOWN AS SINGLE.
THE ONLY BOYCE'S WERE MY FAMILY RELATIVES. FROM GRAIG YR HELFA , ROCKINGSTONE AND RICKARD STREET
HOPE THIS HELPS ,
DAVID BOYCE