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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 24 April 19 16:02 BST (UK)
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Robert Thomas Jones. Death Date:10 May 1919
Mil Hsp Lady Reed Rd Bermondsey
Rank:Driver Regiment:Royal Engineers
Regimental Number:128825
Can anyone find more on this man, I can`t find any other military records at all.
Born Rhosymedre / Ruabon c 1896, father Robert Jones, mother Christiana.
Thanks.
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His medal card shows that he was also in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, Service No. 8414.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3161193
Can't see any Service record.
JJ
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Thanks a lot.
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You may have this already.
The names Robert Jones and Christiana Evans on same page of marriage register, Sep Q 1894, Wrexham.
Birth of Robert Thomas Jones (mmn Evans) registered Wrexham Maelor, Sep Q 1895.
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Thanks, I did find that, but it seems to be a civil marriage, I am researching RT and his mother, both are buried in Wrexham Cemetery together. Christiana seems to have been a widow when she married , but I'm struggling to find her maiden name.
Robert Jones 🙄 oh well !
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Just see UK Register of Soldiers Effects with the information you already have
Died of illness Mil Hospital Lady Reed Bermondsey 10/5/19
Father Robert
Rosie
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Birth of a daughter Mary Martha Evans 1891 Wrexham
Mothers maiden name Evans
Is this the same family ?
Rosie
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Birth of son Alfred Ernest Jones 1901 Wrexham also gives mothers maiden name as Evans
Rosie
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Yes, that's her. She is in either 1901 or 1911 census and her daughter Alice is step daughter to Robert. But I cant find her or her other Evans sons birth.
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His RWF 8416 number will be a Territorial Force (TF) number (RWF 4th Bn). The fact that it's on his Medal Card/Roll shows he went overseas under this number and then transferred to RE.
His CWGC entry does not show his Rank in the main page but delving into the records they provide shows he was Pioneer and not a Driver as per your opener post which is probably based on the Soldiers Effects transcript or a Gunner as transcribed by the NA MIC link in post 2 by JJen. Look at the original Effects page/MIC on Ancestry and you'll see it's Pioneer (plus, is Gunner a RE rank even?)
You're probably aware that the TF were renumbered to six digits in 'early 1917'. Without going into it in depth I can tell you he was not so renumbered. His RWF enlistment date is mid Nov 1915 so he was transferred to RE sometime after landing in France in 1916 and before 'early 1917'.
The Soldiers Effects entry shows he was in 3rd Reserve Bn. His Medal Roll does not show his RE overseas unit. I'll stick my neck out and say it's likely to have been a Tunneler Coy but this would need some research or even better, a suitable query on the Great War Forum where you might attract a response from on the RE experts.
Do you have a photo of him please? (for the RWF Fallen project run by RWF Museum)
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Re Overseas unit
I'm having second thoughts on Tunnelers. Looking on SDGW entries around his number and I see many are Special Coys** Asking on GWF is the way forward should you want to pursue this angle.
** i.e the Poison Gas Coys see http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-corps-of-royal-engineers-in-the-first-world-war/the-special-companies-of-the-royal-engineers-poison-gas/
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Is this Alice on the 1891 census civil parish Ruabon Denbighshire ?
Joseph Evans age 24 born Ruabon occupation labourer
Christiana Evans age 24 born Ellesmere Shropshire
Alice Evans age 5 born Ellesmere Shropshire
There is a birth registration for Alice Evans 1886 Ellesmere no mothers maiden name
Rosie
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There is a possible marriage 1889 Wreham Denbighshire
Christiana Evans
Joseph Evans
Possible death for a Joseph Evans Apr - June 1891 Wrexham Denbighshire
Birth year about 1867
Rosie
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Christiana Evans born Ellesmere, Sept Q, 1863. 6a/649.
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Yes, it may be Evan's/ Evan's.
Thanks Gwil, very interesting. I have searched but so far have found no photo.
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There is a possible marriage 1889 Wreham Denbighshire
Christiana Evans
Joseph Evans
Possible death for a Joseph Evans Apr - June 1891 Wrexham Denbighshire
Birth year about 1867
Rosie
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3171967/3171969/9/
Poor man, the address matches the 1891 census, but they have only have a 5 year old daughter Alice at home.
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That is so sad and so young also ...Maybe their other child could have been staying with relatives on the night of the census ? ...I notice on the 1911 census she has had 3 children that have died
Rosie
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His medal card shows that he was also in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, Service No. 8414.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3161193
JJ
is this on Ancestry ? I can`t seem to find it using the same numbers .
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Thanks to everyone who helped, I have found all I need on this family. :)
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His medal card shows that he was also in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers, Service No. 8414.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3161193
JJ
is this on Ancestry ? I can`t seem to find it using the same numbers .
Yes it is (link below) Ancestry have a trancript problem with many MIC's especially for those with more than one number.
When you know for sure there is a MIC (i.e from a NA search or a FindMyPast search) I suggest you be a bit creative in your search whilst leaving out a number.
In this case search Robert Jones and, in the Regiment field put in Royal Wel* Eng* which covers both 'regiments' You'll get a return of 17 possibles and just scan down to the one you want.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1262/30850_A000870-01948?pid=5559992&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DQkU1%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3Dmedalrolls%26gsfn%3Drobert%26gsln%3Djones%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln_x%3D1%26cp%3D0%26_F00061C3%3Droyal%2520wel*%2520eng*%26_F00061C3_x%3D1%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Da63%26redir%3Dfalse%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D15%26h%3D5559992%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D16&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=QkU1&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
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Thanks, it looks like your skills at searching.are much better than mine.