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Title: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: missbazil on Thursday 25 April 19 03:49 BST (UK)
I am trying to find the parents of my 3rd great-grandmother Mary Ann Buckley (1821 - 1864)
Mary Ann (Molly) left Ireland for Australia in 1841 either aboard the Mary Nixon or Portland, married James Watson 1815-1861, moved to Tasmania and started their life.
I can not for the life of my find her parents! There are so many Mary Ann Buckleys born in Cork in 1821.
Has anyone else come across Mary Ann in their travels or can help me to work out how to better identify her parents? All I have from her life in Ireland is her passenger details leaving for Australia, and even then, she's turning on up two different ships!


Addtionally I am having the same issue with her huband. I know he was born in Montrose, Scotland, but can't seem to pin down his parents.


Any help you can provide would be much appreciated! :)
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 25 April 19 05:07 BST (UK)


Also posted on Ireland board

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=811981.msg6722898
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: majm on Thursday 25 April 19 05:28 BST (UK)
Here is the digitised passenger List for the Mary Nixon, arriving 1841.

The list is in several sections .... families, single men,  single women.

http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4814/Mary%20Nixon_30%20Nov%201841/4_481400107.jpg&No=4

page 4

Single Women
Mary BUCKLEY, 20, general servant, Roman Catholic, Read and Write, native of Cork.

May I mention that this lass is noted there as Mary BUCKLEY, not Mary Ann.  Perhaps it is not significant, but there are other lasses on that list who were recorded as Mary Ann  - see page 1 for example.

Here is the live link to the Portland's digitised passenger list (1841)
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4787/Portland_11%20Mar%201841/4_478700196.jpg&No=7

Page 7.
Single Women
Margaret BUCKLEY, 17,  Dressmaker, Roman Catholic, Read and Write, Limerick
Mary BUCKLEY, 19, Dressmaker, Servant, Roman Catholic, Read and Write, Limerick

I wonder if Margaret and Mary BUCKLEY were sisters?  And if looking for Margaret would help identify the parents? 

So one lass was from Limerick and one was from Cork. Limerick arrived 11 March 1841 to Sydney NSW and she was aged 19, and perhaps her sister came with her.    The Cork lass  arrived 30 November 1841 to Port Philip (ie to what is now Melbourne, Victoria) and she was aged 20.

JM
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: missbazil on Thursday 25 April 19 05:35 BST (UK)
Thank you JM.

The fact that Mary is showing up on both passenger manifests is what's adding to the confusion. I guess until I find her parents I wont know which one is the right one. I know that she came over with her brother James, who is showing on the Portland manifest. And that she apparently met her husband James Watson on the ship over. He was crew - so if I can find a crew manifest for either ship I might have some luck working out which ship she came out on!
I will try adding Margaret as a sister and see where that leads me. I figure there's a good chance she is related, given name, location and age.
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: missbazil on Thursday 25 April 19 05:44 BST (UK)
Yes I also posted on Ireland board - I hope that's not frowned upon?
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: majm on Thursday 25 April 19 06:02 BST (UK)
Cork and Limerick are two different localities .... :)

What document gives you Cork as her native place?

JM
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: missbazil on Thursday 25 April 19 06:08 BST (UK)
Yeah, I know - just feel like Cork is going to be the correct one in the end so didn't bother posting on Limerick for now :)

I hope the below links work - these are the two possible sets of parents I have tracked down based off baptism records.

Not sure now where I came across Cork in the first instance.


https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/61039/04802_01_0019?pid=5849582&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D61039%26h%3D5849582%26ssrc%3Dpt%26tid%3D157877801%26pid%3D352086905624%26usePUB%3Dtrue&ssrc=pt&treeid=157877801&personid=352086905624&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true (https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/61039/04802_01_0019?pid=5849582&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D61039%26h%3D5849582%26ssrc%3Dpt%26tid%3D157877801%26pid%3D352086905624%26usePUB%3Dtrue&ssrc=pt&treeid=157877801&personid=352086905624&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true)


https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/61039/04782_02_0195?pid=5506304&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D61039%26h%3D5506304%26ssrc%3Dpt%26tid%3D157877801%26pid%3D352086905624%26usePUB%3Dtrue&ssrc=pt&treeid=157877801&personid=352086905624&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true (https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/61039/04782_02_0195?pid=5506304&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D61039%26h%3D5506304%26ssrc%3Dpt%26tid%3D157877801%26pid%3D352086905624%26usePUB%3Dtrue&ssrc=pt&treeid=157877801&personid=352086905624&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true)
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: majm on Thursday 25 April 19 06:11 BST (UK)
Portland
Single Men
Francis BUCKLEY, 22 Carpenter, Roman Catholic, Read and Write, Limerick.


Re two threads about same person ...best to concentrate on just the one thread.  If this were my ancestor, and I wanted info about their origins, I would post on the board that covers those origins.  Don't start another thread on the Limerick board, perhaps just pause until Hallmark has returned to the Cork board.

I will post on the Cork Board. 

Ancestry's images are from the NSW Archives.   Please be careful and avoid infringing any T&C from subscription websites.   ;)

JM
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: majm on Thursday 25 April 19 06:21 BST (UK)


PLEASE POST ON THE CORK THREAD ONLY

 https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=811981.0

Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 25 April 19 06:25 BST (UK)
What is the source of your information?. Are you looking at online family trees?

Can you please support each of these details...where have you found this information -

"....Mary Ann (Molly) left Ireland for Australia in 1841 either aboard the Mary Nixon or Portland..."
How have you identified the arrival details of the Mary BUCKLEY who married James WATSON, 1842?

"..Mary Ann Buckleys born in Cork in 1821." 
Where does this birthplace come from?

"... I know he (James WATSON) was born in Montrose, Scotland...."
Where does this birthplace come from?

".... I know that she came over with her brother James...."
How do you know this?

".......and  (I know)  that she apparently met her husband James Watson on the ship over".

"....He (James WATSON) was crew "

Can you please list the children born to James WATSON and Mary BUCKLEY.

Where do you see her as Molly?

An enquiry to a forum work best when all information is pooled at one site. Everyone is looking at the same information, the better to consider ideas and possibilities.

When you know that your BUCKLEY ancestor is from Cork, Ireland........ then the Cork, Ireland forum would be useful for further research.

If James died, 1861, and wife Mary died 1864, any small children would have been brought up by.....who?
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 25 April 19 06:30 BST (UK)

I do not want to confuse this enquiry by offering conflicting advice. 

How have you identified Cork, Ireland to be the native place / birth place of your Mary BUCKLEY?
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: missbazil on Thursday 25 April 19 06:48 BST (UK)
Can you please support each of these details...where have you found this information -

"....Mary Ann (Molly) left Ireland for Australia in 1841 either aboard the Mary Nixon or Portland..."
How have you identified the arrival details of the Mary BUCKLEY who married James WATSON, 1842?
Not sure what you mean by verified the details, other than just by passenger mainfests? If there is another step I should be taking I'd be keen to find out so I can double check.

"... I know he (James WATSON) was born in Montrose, Scotland...."
Where does this birthplace come from?
James' burial paperwork says that he was born in Montrose, Scotland


Can you please list the children born to James WATSON and Mary BUCKLEY.
Catherine 1845-1875, Alexander 1847-1847, David1848-1848, Isabella 1850-1902, James 1852-1935 (my ancestor), Ellen 1854-1984, Kilner 1856-1940 and Henry 1860-1921


If James died, 1861, and wife Mary died 1864, any small children would have been brought up by.....who?
That I don't know. I hadn't considered that before. I'll see what I can find.

The answers for below questions come from oral history from family.
"..Mary Ann Buckleys born in Cork in 1821." 
Where does this birthplace come from?
".... I know that she came over with her brother James...."
How do you know this?
".......and  (I know)  that she apparently met her husband James Watson on the ship over".
"....He (James WATSON) was crew "

Oral history (from my second cousins father-in-law who is a direct decendant of Mary Ann and James), we know that Mary Ann was actually called 'Molly', which was a common nickname for Mary at the time. She met James Watson on the ship (the Mary Nixon) over from Ireland; she travelled to Australia with her brother, James Buckley. Her death certificate in Hobart (from tuberculosis) just lists her birth place as Ireland, but the passenger lists say she and her brother were from Cork.
Family history also says that James worked first as a ship hand and sailed to the East Indies several times before becoming a shipwright in Tasmania. I know his sister Charlotte came over at some time and married Henry William Wigmore, port master of Port Sorell.
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: majm on Thursday 25 April 19 06:51 BST (UK)
PLEASE POST ON THE CORK THREAD ONLY as we will  be seeking information about her Irish origins, parents etc. 

 https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=811981.0
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 25 April 19 08:18 BST (UK)

"... I know his sister Charlotte came over at some time and married Henry William Wigmore, port master of Port Sorell."

I think that Charlotte WATSON who married Henry William WIGMORE is daughter of James WATSON, not his sister.

Cornwall Chronicle 16 Feb 1859   p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65730157?
....Henry William WIGMORE  son of Captain WIGMORE, and Assistant Harbour Master, River Mersey, to Charlotte, the eldest daughter of Mr J WATSON, Torquay

BDM TAS birth
WATSON Ellen Matilda  17 Jul 1854
parents James WATSON (shipwright) / Mary Ann formerly BUCKLEY
Informant Charlotte WATSON, Gaol St, sister
Registered 21 Aug 1854  Launceston
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: missbazil on Thursday 25 April 19 08:38 BST (UK)
Thanks Wivenhoe- I think you're right there.
Thank you for the correction.
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 25 April 19 08:40 BST (UK)
Launceston Examiner 11 Apr 1861 p3
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/38758923?
Inquest, Torquay into the death of James WATSON...

Henry William WIGMORE (son in law of the deceased)
....I have know James WATSON nearly seven years..
....he was a shipwright and kept a store at Torquay...
....45 years old next birthday...wife and seven children.....
....he had made several voyages to the East Indies.....
....he was trading for about five years in the East Indies and China....
....he was eighteen months in an opium vessel..this was about twenty years ago....
....he never took opium, I have asked him the question.....
....
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 25 April 19 08:43 BST (UK)


See

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=811981.msg6722968#msg6722968


as I don't know when her brother was born!





Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: sparrett on Friday 26 April 19 08:50 BST (UK)

From the link to inquest as previously supplied, another note from a witness statement...


…….I called “Hey Scotty”. Watson asked me if I wanted to come across……

So WATSON was  a Scotsman as expected.

Sue
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: Dundee on Friday 26 April 19 12:26 BST (UK)
Charlotte was James' eldest daughter and she married Henry WIGMORE in 1859 at Port Sorell.

https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-18p311j2k

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65730157

She and her daughter died in 1863.

https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-32p110j2k

Henry then married her sister Catherine in Victoria in 1864 and she died in 1876.

Charlotte and Catherine were both baptised in Sydney.

Henry then married the third sister Isabella in 1877 in Victoria and she died in Queensland in 1902.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/21625489

If James died, 1861, and wife Mary died 1864, any small children would have been brought up by.....who?

When Mary Ann died in 1864 she had five younger children still living.....Isabella, 14, James, 12, Ellen Matilda, 10, Kilner Richard, 8, and Henry William, 4.

There was a problem with placing Kilner Richard and this document tells you where each of the children went...

https://stors.tas.gov.au/SWD26-1-8  (images 112 and 113 covering 3 pages)

Kilner went from Joseph JONES to James WADSLEY at Newtown in 1868.

https://stors.tas.gov.au/1495658$init=1495786

(Copy and paste the whole link into your browser)

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Mary Ann BUCKLEY b1821 in Cork
Post by: missbazil on Saturday 27 April 19 07:40 BST (UK)
Thank you Debra - that's some amazing research you've done. I didn't even realise those records existed.