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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: shaun on Friday 26 April 19 15:34 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Im moving on from researching my father's side of the family to my mother's.
They are travellers and wondered if anybody had some initial advice or tips for me before I delve into what I can only imaging might be a Well of innacurate recordings/nicknames/constantly changing locations/multiple names etc etc.
I don't feel prepared haha
thanks
Shaun
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Do you have links to Faversham?
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Could you post any info you have on non living descendents?
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Thanks for your reply nelwild.
First of all, its probably worth saying that the name Beeney/beaney is spelt both ways within my family. My grandmother spelt it differently to her brothers.
My grandmother was Ada Bundock nee Beeney. B. 15 nov 1923 D. 10May 2004.
Her parents were John Beeney 1896-1954 and Ada Beeney nee Jones. 1897-1958.
The only other info I know is that some earlier generation. One of the Beeney’s married a Ripley.
Thats all i know from my family.
I don’t know of any of my family being from Faversham. But theres a chance because they are based in Kent.
My grandmother was born in Northfleet, kent. And i know her parent lives in northfleet befor that.
Thanks
Shaun
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Ok Shaun.
I mentioned Faversham because im from there,and a lot of the Traveller families you mentioned settled there,as well as many others.Ive got cousins who are Bundocks,originally from Canterbury,some did marry into travellers,Barton and Baker spring to mind.Ive got a lot of info on Beaneys,Ripleys,Jones etc,i will post it over the weekend,and try and expand on the info you've got.Im sure that others will contribute in the meantime.
Nel.
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'Her parents were John Beeney 1896-1954 and Ada Beeney nee Jones. 1897-1958.'
Have you got their marriage certificate for names of parents? (Medway 1916?)
Have you found them in 1939?
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Ahh thanks Nel that would be amazing. Thankyou so much.
Hi Chempat. Unfortunately I dont think my family have it. I will check with my mum over weekend. If not I will get ordering.
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'Her parents were John Beeney 1896-1954 and Ada Beeney nee Jones. 1897-1958.'
Are you sure you have the correct years for them?
Do you know what other children they had?
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I also think your birth/death dates are somewhat awry! Free Index for 1939 shows both John and Ada as born 1890 - indeed, checking census and birth entries etc. John was actually born in 1889, son of Job Beaney and Phoebe and this is where Ripley comes in: Job Beaney married Phoebe Ripley 1877 East Grinstead, Kent.
Job Beaney born 1855, bp.11/3/1855 Frant, Sussex son of Absalom Beaney and Janette Hilton (married 1841 Sevenoaks).
When you view the census you'll find their given birthplaces are not always where they were subsequently baptised, plus spelling of surname varies slightly from one document to another.
Annette
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You have put:
'wondered if anybody had some initial advice or tips for me before I delve into what I can only imaging might be a Well of innacurate recordings/nicknames/constantly changing locations/multiple names etc etc'
Initial advice, Get all certificates so you can work back accurately.
Where were 'John Beeney 1896-1954 and Ada Beeney nee Jones. 1897-1958' living when they died?
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If the person supplying the age at death information got the age wrong, you have difficulties straightaway.
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They were living in Northfleet
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exactly, there seems to be so many innacuracy’s in their documents. One of them is wrong. One could be correct. Who knows which one. ???
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1939 register shows what they claimed to be their birth dates - most accurate?
The year on the register may be out, but the actual day and month is more likely to be correct, perhaps.
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Working through free 1939, John has dates 22/07/1890, living with Asda, dates 26/07/1890.
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Hi Shaun
I have many records reguarding the Beaneys, the name is spelt at least about five different ways, I researched through the old newspapers, I sujest you join up to the newspaper archive web site it is online, it dosent cost much, I find names by using storys from the past, if you would like to know of the Beaneys I will tell of their history, if you are just looking for dates like a cross word that is fine I understand the enjoyment in such things, i have put a few storys on next to show you how I use the records to then move between familys, they may not be who you wish to link up to or find but I put these few storys on to just show you as an example of how it is done, the result may be wrong but the method is right, I do hope you find what you are looking for.
“All Roads Lead to Rome”
I have read that the Emperor Caesar Augustus errected a monument in the center of Rome known as the “golden milestone” all distances in the Roman empire were measured from this point. It is found in The Roman Forum today, I have been there, some writers now say the distances were measured from the City gates and maybe the stone came later.
About 300 B.C. the Republic and later the Empire began building long straight roads. 29 major roads, and they connected all 113 of the empire’s provinces, they were considered as one of the reasons behind the strength of the Roman Empire, with Rome itself at the center, that is most of Europe, the Near East, and North Africa, well, no matter where you was or how far all roads did lead to Rome, the saying as come to be known as
“There could be many methods to get the same result, multiple ways to reach the same destination.”
Shaun, All roads do lead to Rome, Rome is everywhere, can you feel it.
“To cross the Rubicon”
Julius Caesar in 49 B.C. was a general of an army of the Republic, it is wrote that he was the governor of Gaul, he expanded the borders of the Republic into France, Spain, and Britain, he was a popular General, he wanted to enter Rome with his armies, this act thoe was forbidden by Roman law, it is also wrote when he reached the river Rubicon, the last boundary before the old Italy, well it is wrote he paused and contemplated the future, if he brought his army from Gaul into Italy, he would be violating the authority of Rome and he would be an enemy of the state of Rome, it was an important decision, it is said Caesar declared in Greek and in a loud voice, "let the die be cast!" and then they crossed the Rubicon, then there was a Roman civil war, when all was done Julius Caesar was the winner, it was the end of the Roman Republic and the start of the Roman Empire.
Do you see there is no Rubicon, you have to just stay strong, I crossed the Rubicon, not a bit of thought did I give it, and I,m not going to Rome, there is no Rome, Rome is everywhere.
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Friday 15 December 1939
Chatham News
Kent
Straying Horses.— Five fines of 5s were miposed on four defendants at Chatham Police Court on Wednesday, for allowing horses to stray on Capstone-road. Luton, on different dates in November.The defendants, all of whom lived at the Encampment, Ash Tree-lane, Chatham, were Amy Newland, Walter Eastwood, Ada Beaney and Faith Butler. Butler was fined for two ofences on different dates. Only she and Eastwood appeared in Court
Friday 16 June 1939
Chatham News
Kent
Horses Cause Trouble. —“ These people are causing considerable trouble to the military authorities,” remarked Supt. H. R. Webb, at Chatham Police Court, on Wednesday, when five inhabitants of the Ash Tree-lane Encampment pleaded guilty to allowing horses to graze on War Department land at Gillingham, on May 31st. The defendants were Albert Newland, Faith Butler, Betsy Emmett, Ada Beaney, and Betsy Eastwood. Evidence was given by Captain J. D. Patullo, and fines were imposed as follow:—Newland, Butler, and Eastwood, £1 each; Emmett and Beaney, 10s. each
Friday 19 February 1932
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
POACHING. Walter Eastwood (20) and Walter Eastwood (18), both of Trottescliffe. pleaded guilty to poaching the land of Sir Edgar Waterlow, of Wrotham, on February Ist. George Hassell, gamekeeper, etated that the men had a ferret and seven nets, and on his way along he could see some rabbits had been caught. ‘‘One of the defendants broke off a stick and started throwing his weight about with it.” The elder Eastwood was fined £1 and the other 10s
Friday 14 August 1908
Kent & Sussex Courier
Kent
STRAY HORSE. For allowing a horse to stray on the highway at East Hailing, on July 28th, Walter Eastwood, a gipsy, was fined 5s and costs. The police stated that the defendant had two previous convictions recorded against him this year
Friday 11 November 1927
Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser
Kent
ASSAULTS. Harry Matthews, of Aylesford, was fined £4 for assaulting a lad named Alfred J. Lavender and Walter Eastwood, a dealer, was fined £1 for assaulting another dealer of the same name at Leybourne
Friday 20 July 1951
East Kent Gazette
Kent
- A sudden peal of thunder brought about a dramatic chase in Rainhant High Street on Thursday last week, when a log dealer's horse and cart bolted in Orchard Street.
Mr. W. Eastwood. the dealer. of Ash Tree Lane. Chatham. was colecting logs when his frightened horse shed its load and bolted towards the High street. Mr. Eastwood grabbed for the rein, but missed, and was struck by the wheel of the cart as it sped towards the town. The horse obviously knew its own way home, for turned left at the bottom of Orchard Street and galluped in the direction of Chatham. Several hundred yards further along the main road. the runaway horse
and cart were seen and stopped by a member of the Kent hire Brigade. Mr. Eastwood sustained cuts and bruises
Friday 22 January 1954
Bognor Regis Observer
Sussex
Everyone Knew Mrs. Jones A familiar figure to thousands of Bognor Regis residents and holiday-makers, Mrs. Ada Jones, of 19, Glebe Road, Worthing, died last week. Most of her acquaintances in the town knew her only by the name of Rosie. For nearly 16 years Mrs. Jones sold flowers from her pitch in High Street, travelling by train from her home with a pram-lull of flowers every week-day morning. There were many regulars among her customers. Housewives who used to make a point of seeing her after amorning's shopping will miss her cheery greeting. So will manyhusbands whose habit it was to call on her when they wanted a bouquet for their wives. At Worthing, where Mrs. Jones was a flower seller before she startedto sell in Bognor, she left a thriving family business. Her husband is a flower seller during the summer and during the Winter he deals in logs and firewood Their children. most of them grown up, also sell flowers. The funeral was at Worthing on Monday
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You definitely need to start with the marriage certificate of John Beaney and Ada Jones or you could end up going down completely the wrong road. Specifically because a John Beaney married an Ada Eastwood in 1910 Luton, Kent and have seen a tree on Ancestry which claims this John was the son of Job and Phoebe - see how difficult it can be without definite proof?
Annette
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We have their Marriage Certificate Woohooo.
Ok so John and Ada Beeney were married on June 5th 1916.
In Christ Church, in the parish of Luton, Kent.
Both were 19years old.
John was a hawker
Residence at time of marriage was Ash Tree Lane.
Johns father was also called John Beeney (Hawker)
Ada's father was called Obed Jones.(Hawker)
Witnesess were Louisa Eastwood and Samuel Ripley.
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Have you found possible births for them, or in 1901 or 1911 census? (1896 or 1897 born)
Those ages do not agree with 1939.
Interesting names of witnesses.
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Think she is in a tree on Ancestry, with photos of father and a sister.
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yeah found ones earlier giving approx. birth age 1897 for Ada Jones.
1911
Name Ada Jones
Age in 1911 14
Estimated Birth Year abt 1897
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Orpington, Kent, England
Civil parish Plumstead
Street Address Harrow Manorway, Plumstead
Marital Status Single
Occupation HAWKERS
Registration district Woolwich
1901
Name Ada Jones
Age 4
Estimated Birth Year abt 1897
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Father Obed Jones
Mother Betsy Jones
Birth Place Orpington, Kent, England
Civil parish Crayford
Ecclesiastical parish St Paulinus
County/Island Kent
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Wonder if birth was not registered?
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Death?
Deaths Dec. 1939
Obed Jones age 82 at Woolwich
also a will
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Ada Jones bp.6/6/1897 Crayford, Kent dau. of Obed and Betsy.
John Beeny bp.12/9/1897 Paddock Wood, St. Andrew, Kent, son of John (Hawker) and Mercy - residence Northiam.
Annette
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Obed Jones married Betsy Harris - Dec.qtr.1885 Fulham
John Beeney married Mercy Jones - June qtr.1895 Battle, Sussex.
Annette