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My grandfather's name was Michael Ramon George Carey Joseph Webb. He was born in 1928. His mother was Doreen Lucy Udall b.1906, who also used the name Doreen Siddons.
His father was known by some as Tom Webb, known by some as Ramon Carey George Webb and known by others as George Carey Ramon Webb. So far, having tried every site in my repertoire, including FreeReg and the 1939 census.. I have no results for this person. His name is different on every one of his children's baptism records.
I can find no birth records, no marriage records and no death records. ??? ??? ???
My question: Is there a way to find out who this person was.? Or find the family at some point in time.?
Thank you for your help.
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Just to help people - is this grandfather?
Michael R G C Webb b 1928 Bournemouth mmn Udall
Doreen Lucy born 1906 Beaminster
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Do you have a marriage for Webb/Udall?
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We can’t post many details from 1939 but there is a Doreen Webb in the indexes with a Raymund. Have you checked that entry?
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@heywood. Yes, that's my grandfather and his mother.
I have no marriage for Webb/Udall. I can't find any marriage records for them at all, no matter which names I try.
When I put Doreen Webb into the search, I got a No Results message back.
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Haselbury, Dorset, 1931 electoral register (free index)
Raymond Carey Webb
Doreen Lucy Webb
There's a Webb death in Weston super Mare under two lots of first names?
June 1955 Weston 7c 263
Webb, Raymond C., age 63
Webb, Thomas H., age 63
Can't get either yet on new GRO index
1932
Raymond Carey Webb, of Hazelbury Bryan...summoned for using a motor vehicle, for which a license was not in force.
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We can’t post many details from 1939 but there is a Doreen Webb in the indexes with a Raymund. Have you checked that entry?
@heywood. Yes, that's my grandfather and his mother.
No it isn't. You need to search for Doreen WEBB born 1906. Only the fourth child is unredacted.
Debra :)
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Debra,
I was thinking that the reply was to my post re the births of Doreen and Michael not 1939 details.
Here is Doreen’s death registration
July 1982 Poole, Dorset
Doreen Lucy Webb born 2 June 1906
Heywood
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Probably a red herring ;D
Eliza Carey, housekeeper to Henry Webb in Bedminster in 1891. I think they married in 1892
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WR4F-Q3Z
What was the occupation of your Mr Webb? we can see that in 1939!
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Probably a red herring ;D
Eliza Carey, housekeeper to Henry Webb in Bedminster in 1891. I think they married in 1892
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WR4F-Q3Z
What was the occupation of your Mr Webb? we can see that in 1939!
They had children including a George, baptised in Bedminster in November 1893, but he may be the George Webb whose death aged 2 was registered in Bedminster, Mar qtr 1896.
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@Jonw65.. Wow.! That's fantastic... Raymond Carey Webb... now that's a new name.. ;) I shall have to find him and see where it leads... Thank you.
Driving without a license... it figures... ;D
@heywood.. Thank you for the death record... I'd always been told she died before I was born.. but I was 9 when she passed. :(
Thank you all, for all your help. 8)
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Unfortunately.. Raymond Carey Webb appears to be yet another alias my great-grandfather used. As other than what has already been found, I can find no BMD records for anyone with that name, anywhere. :(
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Just bookmarking as I find this one fascinating :)
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An Update.... Thanks to @Jonw65, I discovered that Raymond Carey Webb was the name of choice, amongst all the others. Raymond Carey Webb is the name on my grandfather's birth certificate. Although that's not the name on his baptismal record. A Raymond Carey Webb registered to vote in 1931 in Poole, Dorset. Then there's the driving offence in 1932. In 1939 Raymond Carey Webb is in Parkstone, with a birth year of 1893.
So... going with Raymond Webb b.1893 I found a Raymond born in Brinkworth, Wiltshire. Who died in 1964 in Chippenham, Wiltshire. He married Daisy May Carey, who died in 1974 and had two children born 1922 and 1924. My grandfather was born in 1928, so there is a chance.
I'm not sure about the Raymond Charles Webb born in late 1892, who died in 1955, as my mother was born in 1952 and she says she remembers her grandfather at a much older age. These are the only two Raymond Webb's born around 1893.
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Is this the marriage for your Raymond?
Marriages Jun 1918
Carey Daisy M Webb Malmesbury 5a 109
Webb Raymond Carey Malmesbury 5a 109
Living in Malmesbury in 1939, Raymond's birth year given as 1891. Do you have any marriage certificate for your Raymond? If so who is down as his father?
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@Girl Guide: Quite possibly.
That Raymond was actually born in 1893 in Brinkworth, Wiltshire. His parents were Frederick and Ellen. I'm leaning more towards him, with no other avenue to investigate other than whether he was a good man loyal to his wife or whether there was a possibility that he strayed and met my great grandmother and had 5 more children.
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I'm a little puzzled as to why the 1955 deaths are on free bmd but not on the GRO website. They have Percival James but not Raymond and Thomas.
Birth year works out as 1892 but 1891 if died before the actual birth date.
So the 1939 Raymond with Daisy in Malmesbury is a different one to the Raymond with Doreen in Poole?
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@Girl Guide.. It looks that way, yes... which leaves me right back at square one... because there is no other Raymond that it could be.
This going with the assumption that his name really is Raymond.. ???
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I did ask earlier, have you got his marriage certificate for his marriage to Daisy? If so was Frederick down as the father? Who were the witnesses?
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@Girl Guide,
As yet, no I don't... I sent off for it this afternoon..
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Ok, I shall be interested to hear what is on the cert when you get it.
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I'm a little puzzled as to why the 1955 deaths are on free bmd but not on the GRO website.
Me too!
Sorry if it was a Raymond Charles, and not the right person. We needed the full names from the new GRO index!
John
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I've just received the birth certificate for my grandfather's younger brother, hoping to glean a little more information considering the mother's maiden name was wrong on the BMD record.
Father's name has been recorded as Thomas Raymond Webb, and mother's name as Doreen Nellie Webb, nee Siddons. Father's occupation is Ice Cream Salesman. ??? She seems to be just as evasive as he is when it comes to the truth. The mystery continues.... ::)
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Hi, I might have missed something in earlier posts but does this fit in at all.
Marriage Ramon G C J Webb & Evelyn Foote dq 1951 Blandford.
John
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@Johnhood,
Yes, that's the marriage for my maternal grandparents... it's (Michael) Ramon G C J's father I'm searching for...
Alexa
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Thanks to a very kind lady on the OPC Dorset site, I have a birth date of January 16th 1893 from the 1939 Directory and a death year of 1955 at Weston Super Mare, Somerset for Raymond Carey Webb. No birth place though.
Raymond Carey Webb is also the name on my great grandmother's death certificate, of her late husband. I've ordered his death certificate, but I'm not hopeful of anything more productive.
As there are no birth records for anyone named Raymond in early 1893, I started working on the Tom/Thomas Webb's for a lead... as yet, I'm fruitless.
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Thanks to a very kind lady on the OPC Dorset site, I have a birth date of January 16th 1893 from the 1939 Directory and a death year of 1955 at Weston Super Mare, Somerset for Raymond Carey Webb. No birth place though.
Raymond Carey Webb is also the name on my great grandmother's death certificate, of her late husband. I've ordered his death certificate, but I'm not hopeful of anything more productive.
As there are no birth records for anyone named Raymond in early 1893, I started working on the Tom/Thomas Webb's for a lead... as yet, I'm fruitless.
I think birthdate should be 16th JUNE 1893
John
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Thanks to a very kind lady on the OPC Dorset site, I have a birth date of January 16th 1893 from the 1939 Directory and a death year of 1955 at Weston Super Mare, Somerset for Raymond Carey Webb.
I already flagged up the Weston Super Mare death.
But I thought your later post (Reply #13) indicated that you had got the cert and that it was a Raymond Charles?
I'm not sure about the Raymond Charles Webb born in late 1892, who died in 1955, as my mother was born in 1952 and she says she remembers her grandfather at a much older age.
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Here is a head scratcher for you.
Marriages Dec qtr 1915
SIDDONS, Nellie M
WEBB, Thomas H
Walsall 6b 1749
Births Sep qtr 1916
WEBB, ARTHUR BERNARD MUSGROVE (SIDDONS)
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 1241
There's a Webb death in Weston super Mare under two lots of first names?
June 1955 Weston 7c 263
Webb, Raymond C., age 63
Webb, Thomas H., age 63
I've just received the birth certificate for my grandfather's younger brother, hoping to glean a little more information considering the mother's maiden name was wrong on the BMD record.
Father's name has been recorded as Thomas Raymond Webb, and mother's name as Doreen Nellie Webb, nee Siddons. Father's occupation is Ice Cream Salesman.
The 1939 Register has Doreen's middle initials as 'E.M.' with an 'L' added later. Nellie is a pet form of Ellen. Doreen cannot be the same person as the Nellie SIDDONS who married in 1915 as she was only 9 years old then, but is the Thomas H. your Raymond? Did he have two women at the same time, your Doreen and his wife Nellie or were they for some reason pretending that Doreen and Nellie were the same person?
Nellie is in Walsall in 1939 and her surname was corrected at the time I think, not later changed. Note that the household continues over two pages with other pages in between.
The children's births:
1928 Male (UDALL) Bournemouth
1930 Female (UDALL) Sturminster
1932 Female (UDALL) Sturminster
1933 Male (SIDDONS) Poole (with Raymond and Doreen in 1939)
1938 Male (UDALL) Poole
1939 Male (SIDDONS) Poole
1942 Female (UDALL) Poole
Debra :)
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@Johnhood, duly noted. Jan, Jun... easily mistaken. Thank you so much for the new children too. I'd only looked previously for the five we knew about.
@jonw65, you did indeed, but because the middle name was Charles, and my mother was sure she remembered her grandfather after 1955, I kept that one on the back burner. She's currently in talks with the remaining aunt to try to see what, if anything she remembers.
@Dundee, :o Thank you. I hadn't gone back that far with the marriages because of Doreen's age, and I've been looking at the Thomas's born in 1893 (going through them one at a time) and am yet to find this link. It's certainly a good match... Doreen would definitely be too young by 1915, and why on earth she'd take on his wife's name is beyond me, but this is the closest to finding out who he really is that I've gotten. The deaths were noted... but it turned out Raymond's middle name was Charles, and Carey could well be a shortening of it, but then we weren't entirely convinced his name was Raymond. And if your name is Thomas Henry(Harry), why would you use Raymond Carey..?
I'll certainly order the certificates and try to figure this one out.
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Are you saying you already have a Jun qtr 1955 Weston super Mare death certificate for a Raymond Charles Webb aged 63? If so, what other information does it give?
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Quote:
Marriages Dec qtr 1915
SIDDONS, Nellie M
WEBB, Thomas H
Walsall 6b 1749
Births Sep qtr 1916
WEBB, ARTHUR BERNARD MUSGROVE (SIDDONS)
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 1241
1901 census
Piece: 2703
Folio: 20
Page Number: 32
Household Schedule Number: 186
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Siddons 42
Sophie Siddons 38
May S Siddons 16
Arthur M Siddons 14
Nellie M Siddons 10
George E Siddons 5
Cannot give details re 1939 but look for Arthur Siddons and see who is living with him.
John
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Arthur's death
Arthur Bernard M Webb d aged 75, born 14 Jul 1916
Death registered Apr 1992 Birmingham RD
Volume: 32
John
Edit , there is a probate record for Arthur as well.
Possible marriage
Arthur B M Webb m Jun qtr 1971 Dorothy R Lander Warley RD
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 724
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@avm228, No, I sent off for the 1955 Weston death certificate for Raymond C. Webb. To see who informed of the death and if it gives a clearer birth date.
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@Johnhood, yes, that's what I found, I also discovered Nellie Siddons middle name is Musgrove.
Nellie died in 1975 in Birmingham, she was born 18/09/1890 in Walsall, Staffs.
At the moment I'm working on Thomas Henry Webb b.1893 Windsor, Berkshire. He was in the Royal Naval Hospital in Gillingham, Kent in 1911, and I'm trying to find out why. What was happening in 1911 for him to be a patient there.?
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@avm228, No, I sent off for the 1955 Weston death certificate for Raymond C. Webb. To see who informed of the death and if it gives a clearer birth date.
Why are you saying the middle name was Charles then? I am not clear where that has come from,
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For the Weston super Mare death, I might have taken a small punt on
WEBB, THOMAS HAROLD
Mother's Maiden Surname: RIDGE
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 791
Marriage June 1885 Aston
Ridge, Ruth Ann
Webb, William Bernard
1901 in Handsworth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSQ5-C96
1911 in Handsworth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWW4-Q3M
Only likely later event for Ruth
Death, Dec 1948 Weston 7c 252
Webb, Ruth Ann
Age 86
Free index to 1939 Register
Ruth A Webb, born 1861, living Weston-Super-Mare M.B., Somerset
Address The Rock Highbury Road
Probably the wrong guy ;D
But, interesting perhaps
Births Sep qtr 1916
WEBB, ARTHUR BERNARD MUSGROVE (SIDDONS)
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@jonw65,
That's actually REALLY interesting. I have Thomas Harold on my list to investigate, and it does seem weird that if he was my great grandfather, living in Poole, Dorset, that he would have died in Weston S M... so he's definitely worth a good look at..
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@avm228, I say Raymond Charles because during my research, I found a Raymond Charles Webb died in 1955, born in 1892, and the only Raymond who died in 1955 in Raymond C... so I'm assuming Raymond C is Raymond Charles. I'm also assuming Carey is a shortening of the name Charles.
Alexa
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Is there a way to find out who witnesses were at a marriage.?
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Unless you can find the marriage online somewhere, the only other option is to buy the certificate from the GRO.
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@Girl Guide, Thank you. I had to go find my Mum & Dad's marriage certificate to make sure the witnesses were on it, so will be ordering a copy of Thomas and Nellie's marriage certificate. :)
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Walsall Observer 9th October 1915.
Webb - Siddons
On October 2nd at the Congregational Church, Wednesbury Road, by the Rev W L T Merson, Thomas Harold, (2nd Lieutenant the Welsh Regiment) son of the late William Bernard Webb, Birmingham, and Mrs Webb, Weston, to Nellie, daughter of Mr and Mrs H Siddons, Springfield House, Walsall
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Walsall Observer 9th October 1915.
Webb - Siddons
On October 2nd at the Congregational Church, Wednesbury Road, by the Rev W L T Merson, Thomas Harold, (2nd Lieutenant the Welsh regiment) son of the late William Bernard Webb, Birmingham, and Mrs Webb, Weston, to Nellie, daughter of Mr and Mrs H Siddons, Springfield House, Walsall
We love you Jen!
With the help of Dundee's quite brilliant work I think we might have cracked it.
John
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@JenB, :D I was just looking through newspaper archives... Fantastic job.! ;D
I ordered the certificate anyway, but great to see there is a link and we have the right Thomas Webb.!
It's only taken 45 years across three branches of the family to track him down... and we did it.!! <3
My mother and grandmother are going to be delighted.
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;D I am, quite honestly, delighted and deeply grateful to you all for the time, effort and amazing finds, as well as the brain storming. Not only do I now know who my great grandfather really was, I discovered there were also two other children to the family that no-one knew about.
:-* :-* Thank you so much @Jonw65, @JenB, @Dundee, @heywood, @Girl Guide, @avm228, @Johnhood.
We should all be really proud of ourselves. :D
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I shouldn't be in that list, I only looked up the marriage Debra found, and you would have got the details anyway from the certificate.
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I shouldn't be in that list, I only looked up the marriage Debra found, and you would have got the details anyway from the certificate.
@JenB, which cinched it.! If you hadn't found that announcement naming family members, we'd still not be 100% sure until the marriage certificate came through - which could take up to 5 weeks.!! Now we know for definite that the right Thomas H Webb married Nellie Siddons, which means he IS my great grandfather.
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I only had a very minor contribution but have been following and getting quite confused :D
So glad to see it come together with some great research.
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It will be interesting to see what the details are on Raymond/Thomas Webb's 1955 death certificate (I think you've sent for it?)
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Walsall Observer 9th October 1915.
Webb - Siddons
On October 2nd at the Congregational Church, Wednesbury Road, by the Rev W L T Merson, Thomas Harold, (2nd Lieutenant the Welsh regiment) son of the late William Bernard Webb, Birmingham, and Mrs Webb, Weston, to Nellie, daughter of Mr and Mrs H Siddons, Springfield House, Walsall
His military papers are available from the National Archives, but, frustratingly, haven't been digitised >:(
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1094236
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I have really enjoyed this post and would like to say to ALL who helped well done, great efforts.
Below details of his war record.
John
Thomas Harold
Last name Webb
Rank 2Nd Lieutenant
Regiment The Welsh Regiment
Year 1915
Archive
The National Archives
Archive reference WO 339/40342
Series WO 339
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@JenB, as soon as it arrives, I'll let you all know what it says...
@Johnhood, that's what I was looking for. :) Even a temporary 2nd Lieutenant, is still a 2nd Lieutenant. I'm hoping to find a way to find out his Service number.
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He's back to being Mr Webb in 1916.
Wallsall Observer 22 July 1916
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He's back to being Mr Webb in 1916.
Wallsall Observer 22 July 1916
JenB, is that article on FindMyPast please.
John
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Your tree is going to be real fun now. It appears that Thomas Harold's father married 3 times, had 1 child with first wife, 3 children with his second and 4 with his 3rd wife of whom Thomas was one.
Happy researching.
John
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@Johnhood,
I've just discovered that... thanks friend... LOL ;D
My family have always kept me busy in one way or another... I can't say they're boring... :)
Alexa
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Father's name has been recorded as Thomas Raymond Webb, and mother's name as Doreen Nellie Webb, nee Siddons. Father's occupation is Ice Cream Salesman. ???
Who was the informant on this certificate?
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This links to JenB’s post
Debra posted these children :
The children's births:
1928 Male (UDALL) Bournemouth
1930 Female (UDALL) Sturminster
1932 Female (UDALL) Sturminster
1933 Male (SIDDONS) Poole (with Raymond and Doreen in 1939)
1938 Male (UDALL) Poole
1939 Male (SIDDONS) Poole
1942 Female (UDALL) Poole
As I said, I have followed and found it confusing. I am sure I must have missed this but why is a Siddons child with Doreen? Is Doreen the mother of all these above?
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Is Doreen the mother of all these above?
I think that must be the case.
As you suspect, that's why I asked who registered the birth with the mother's name given as Doreen Nellie Webb Siddons :-\ If it was Raymond, perhaps he'd had had too much to drink that day.
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@JenB, @heywood,
Doreen registered the births where her maiden name was recorded as Siddons. She registered herself as Doreen Nellie Webb, and her 'husband' as Thomas Raymond Webb.
She used the name of her 'husband's' wife, Nellie M Siddons, who I'm assuming he hadn't divorced before getting together with Doreen. Although Doreen and Raymond were never married.
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Thanks.
So the other births were registered with the mother as Doreen Udall - was that by Doreen too?
Interesting...
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Interesting to note that when Nellie's father died in 1944, it was specified on the probate index that Nellie was 'the wife of Thomas Webb'.
Or was that standard wording?
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@heywood,
I can only imagine that either Raymond registered the first three, or he went with Doreen when she did, because those births were registered with Doreen Lucy Udall as mother, and Raymond Carey Webb as father.
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@JenB,
Or perhaps he went back to her around that time what with her inheriting a fortune.. he wasn't with Doreen by 1948..
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@JenB,
Or perhaps he went back to her around that time what with her inheriting a fortune.. he wasn't with Doreen by 1948..
Who inherited a fortune? You’ve lost me.
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Nellie?
Your reply #62
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@heywood,
I can only imagine that either Raymond registered the first three, or he went with Doreen when she did, because those births were registered with Doreen Lucy Udall as mother, and Raymond Carey Webb as father.
Have you actually got the first three certificates?
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@JenB,
Yes... mother is registered as Doreen Lucy Webb, nee Udall and father as Raymond Carey Webb. The fourth one states Doreen Nellie Webb, nee Siddons and Thomas Raymond Webb as father. I'm still waiting on the last three...
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Nellie?
Your reply #62
Nellie and Arthur were granted the administration of the estate, not necessarily inheriting a fortune.
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Yes... mother is registered as Doreen Lucy Webb, nee Udall and father as Raymond Carey Webb.
But who was the informant?
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@JenB,
Good question, I had to check, because I didn't take much notice of who registered the births... ::)
He did. He registered them all. He registered Doreen as Siddons and himself as Thomas Raymond... ???
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Apologies if this has been answered. I am trying to fit things together ;)
Is this correct?
Ruth A Webb (Thomas Harold’s mother) died in Weston Super Mare in 1948.
She can be seen in 1939 register.
Raymond C Webb died 1955.
I just wondered who reported Raymond’s death and is the address, by any chance, the same as Ruth’s in 1939?
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@JenB,
Good question, I had to check, because I didn't take much notice of who registered the births... ::)
He did. He registered them all. He registered Doreen as Siddons and himself as Thomas Raymond... ???
That’s not what you said earlier
Doreen registered the births where her maiden name was recorded as Siddons. She registered herself as Doreen Nellie Webb, and her 'husband' as Thomas Raymond Webb.
She used the name of her 'husband's' wife, Nellie M Siddons, who I'm assuming he hadn't divorced before getting together with Doreen. Although Doreen and Raymond were never married.
Also in reply#68 you said you were still waiting for three certificates.
It’s really difficult to help when we get contradictory replies :-\
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@heywood,
That's a certificate I'm still waiting for... I'll let you know what it says when I receive it.
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That’s great - looking forward to it :)
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@JenB,
Apologies... I rather assumed that with Raymond being the informant on Michael, Judith, Noel and David's birth certificate's, he would also have registered Geoffrey and the stillbirth's too, also assuming that Adrian C b.1938 was a stillbirth.
I had also assumed that Doreen registered the children, when the informant registered with their initials.. R C looked a lot like D L in the cursive used. Upon checking it again on the last certificate I received, I saw it was R C, so checked the other certificates.
Sorry.
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It is unlikely that Adrian was a stillbirth as the public have no access to those records. If a child is born alive even if they die a few minutes later, the birth will be registered.
Births Sep 1938
Webb Adrian C Udall Poole 5a 350
GRO have his death with a slightly different surname
CAREY-WEBB, ADRIAN CHRISTOPHER 0
GRO Reference: 1938 S Quarter in POOLE Volume 05A Page 250
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@Girl Guide,
Thank you :) I did wonder if he was as he was named, but his sister b.1942 wasn't... leading me to wonder why she wasn't named, and if maybe they were stillborn.
Seems they both died quite quickly after birth.
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Sister's death is registered the same as her birth as 'Webb female', 3rd q 1942, Poole 5a, 298.
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@heywood,
Death Certificate received today for Raymond C. Webb, died 1955 at Weston Super Mare.
Details as follows: Tenth May 1955, Shortlands, Sand Road, Wedmore.
Raymond Caradine (otherwise Thomas Harold) WEBB
Male
Aged 63 Years
Died from Cardiac Failure, Cor Pulmonale, Emphysema
Informant is Elspeth Webb, present at the death.
I'm wondering who Elspeth Webb is, as his daughter Judy has that name too.
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Thank you. Does it not give any relationship re Elspeth?
The only one I can see in Somerset is a death:
Elspeth Webb died April 1984 West Super Mare.
Her birth date is given as 23rd April 1894
I wonder if she was Raymond/Thomas’ partner?
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Tenth May 1955, Shortlands, Sand Road, Wedmore.
Raymond Caradine (otherwise Thomas Harold) WEBB
No wonder we couldn't find the death on the GRO site!
Name: CARADINE, RAYMOND
Age at Death (in years): 63
GRO Reference: 1955 J Quarter in WESTON-SUPER-MARE Volume 07C Page 263
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The only one I can see in Somerset is a death:
Elspeth Webb died April 1984 West Super Mare.
Her birth date is given as 23rd April 1894
I wonder if she was Raymond/Thomas’ partner?
Quite likely!
And her death is also indexed under two names ;)
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There's a news story in both the Wells Journal and the Cheddar Valley Gazette, 12 Dec 1958, about Mrs. Elspeth Webb, a widow, of Shortlands, Wedmore.
Was she said to be 50? Fined for a driving offence.
And her death is also indexed under two names
The other name is Badhwar
Possibility for her in Worthing in the free index to the 1939 Register.
Marriage?
March 1925 Steyning 2b 500
Badhwar, Fateh C - spouse Crawford
Crawford, Elspeth F. - spouse Badhwar
Is Mr Badhwar the guy with a wikipedia entry?
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@Heywood,
Unfortunately, it doesn't, it just lists her as the informant.
@JonW65, Interesting to read about Elspeth, another woman to take his name and not be married to him.
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Small contribution from me,
Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
BOULTON Jane Sarah St. Saviour 1d 71
Crawford William Henry St. Saviour 1d 71
Downing Emily Annie St. Saviour 1d 71
Sheaff Charles Roots St. Saviour 1d 71
CRAWFORD, ELSPETH FANNY DOWNING
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 359
1901
Piece: 828
Folio: 161
Page Number: 11
Household Schedule Number: 71
John
added: easy to find in 1911.
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@Jonw65,
Now that is interesting... an OBE and an MBE...
@Johnhood,
Thank you. :)
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Hi TheOnlyRogueAngel
You are a hard person to find :)
You may recall we spoke some while ago as descendants of Samuel Webb and Elizabeth Hooppell Cauley but we couldn't continue that conversation at the time. I'm wondering if you would be open to comparing notes now? I have some interesting DNA data these days as well.
Best wishes
Rob Stone