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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: WittTree on Friday 03 May 19 03:05 BST (UK)
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Hello. I am fairly new to Family Tree searches and been working on MyHeritage.com and FamilySearch.org. I am having trouble advancing my maternal grandmother's line. Her name was Kathleen (Mallows) Serum 1928 - 2003. Her parents (in England) were Henry John Mallows 1887 - 1936 and Rosa (Christmas) Mallows 1909 - 1968. There seems to be so many same or similar names in my searches.... and no existing trees (that I have found) containing the information. This may be a long shot, but I'm hoping that perhaps someone may have seen the names on a tree or perhaps have relatives with these names. Any information would be most helpful. Thank you in advance.
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Welcome :)
Start with their marriage: Henry J Mallows married Rose L Christmas, Jun qtr 1927 Croydon 2a 1022 - from www.freebmd.org.uk.
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Rosa Lilian Christmas, mother’s maiden name Harrall, birth reg Dec qtr 1909 Croydon 2a 320a.
By the looks of it she was born 30 October 1909 and baptised 15 November 1909 (as Rosie Lilian Christmas) at Thornton Heath, Surrey.
Parents: John (a labourer), and Sarah Elizabeth, of 98 Bensham Grove.
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Rosa and Henry Mallows appear to have had 9 children in England, 1928-1951. She died aged 58, Sep qtr 1968 Thanet.
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Rosa was a relatively late child for her parents, who had married (as John Christmas and Sarah Elizabeth Harral), Dec qtr 1890 Edmonton 3a 545.
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Henry John Mallows was born not in 1887, as you have it, but on 30 September 1897. Birth registered in Lambeth district, Dec qtr 1897 with no separate mother’s maiden name, suggesting he was born out of wedlock.
His death was registered Dec qtr 1986 in Reading & Wokingham, Berkshire, an area where he and Rosa and their family had spent many years.
There is a London school record for a Henry John Mallows born 30 September 1897, admitted to Battersea Park Rd school on 2 February 1903. Home address: 62 Longhedge St. No parental details unfortunately.
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Rosa Lilian Christmas, mother’s maiden name Harrall, birth reg Dec qtr 1909 Croydon 2a 320a.
By the looks of it she was born 30 October 1909 and baptised 15 November 1909 (as Rosie Lilian Christmas) at Thornton Heath, Surrey.
Parents: John (a labourer), and Sarah Elizabeth, of 98 Bensham Grove.
Welcome for me as well
There is an incoming passenger list below for a Rosa L Mallows from USA which confirms the birth date that avm228 found - Rosa was also travelling with a 5 year old boy with the same surname
Rosa L Mallows
Arrival Age: 46
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1909
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 16 Oct 1956
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: United States
Shipping Line: United States Line
Kay
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The best hypothesis I can come up with for Henry at the moment is that he was an illegitimate son of Susanna(h) Mallows, born 1873 and baptised 25 Jan 1874 Lambeth to parents Thomas and Mary Ann Louisa Mallows.
In 1901 Henry is with uncle William Mallows (Susannah’s brother) in Lambeth - I can’t see Susannah in 1901 but she is in service (as Susan Mallows) in Kensington 10 years later.
You would need Henry’s birth certificate to see whether this is on the right track.
It can be ordered from the GRO Online using these reference details:
Henry John Mallows, Dec qtr 1897 Lambeth, vol 1d p331.
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Gosh, it looks like I picked the right forum. Thanks for all the info. I always seemed to get thrown off by the number of people with the same last names and similar first names (i.e. so many "Rose" names).
I have a lot of backtracking (and deleting) to do. I have different parents for Henry... which of course leads to a different family. And his death in 1936 doesn't match... the Dec 1986 death matches better as Grandma (Kathleen) was from Reading.
I actually had Henry first married to Ellen J (Eyres) Mallows in 1913 Lambeth. Then married in 1927 to Rosa. But couldn't find a death date for Eyres, so I may be incorrect on there being a first wife.
Thanks again for giving me a fresh start on this. I never thought to ask Grandma about her family years ago and was fairly young when some of her family came to visit.
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The best hypothesis I can come up with for Henry at the moment is that he was an illegitimate son of Susanna(h) Mallows, born 1873 and baptised 25 Jan 1874 Lambeth to parents Thomas and Mary Ann Louisa Mallows.
In 1901 Henry is with uncle William Mallows (Susannah’s brother) in Lambeth - I can’t see Susannah in 1901 but she is in service (as Susan Mallows) in Kensington 10 years later.
You would need Henry’s birth certificate to see whether this is on the right track.
It can be ordered from the GRO Online using these reference details:
Henry John Mallows, Dec qtr 1897 Lambeth, vol 1d p331.
This could definitely match. I have been in contact with someone in the U.S., listed as my 3rd - 5th cousin, who has mention of a Mallows in her tree.
Her quote: "my Grandfather Thomas William Bowley born in Westminster, married a Mary Ann Mallows born 1865 in Lambeth. I do not know if she had any siblings but I did find her aged about 6 years on the 1871 Census."
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23rd December 1865 Mary Ann Maria Mallows parents Thomas and Mary Ann Louisa address George Place occ. Carman
Baptised St Mary Lambeth.
Jennifer
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Marriage St,Thomas Lambeth 23 December 1888
Mary Ann Maria Mallows 23rd December 1865 Mary Ann Maria Mallows parents Thomas and Mary Ann Louisa address George Place occ. Carman
Baptised St Mary Lambeth.
Jennifer
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1881 census 12 St George’s Place Lambeth
Thomas Mallows 42 carman born Norfolk
M A 43 born Middlesex
James 18 carman
MA 16 book folder
William 14 shop boy
Susannah 7
John 5
Christopher 2
George 4 months. All children born Lambeth
Jennifer
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1881 census 12 St George’s Place Lambeth
Thomas Mallows 42 carman born Norfolk
M A 43 born Middlesex
James 18 carman
MA 16 book folder
William 14 shop boy
Susannah 7
John 5
Christopher 2
George 4 months. All children born Lambeth
Jennifer
Wow. That's so cool. Thanks! The younger Mary Ann b.1965 certainly seems to be the one quoted by my distant cousin. And it's great to finally see this family branch going somewhere.
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Henry Mallows who made a youthful marriage to Ellen Jessie Eyres in 1913 was in fact your Henry’s first cousin - born 1895, son of James David Mallows b 1863 who in turn was a son of Thomas and Mary Ann Louisa Mallows.
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Henry Mallows who made a youthful marriage to Ellen Jessie Eyres in 1913 was in fact your Henry’s first cousin - born 1895, son of James David Mallows b 1863 who in turn was a son of Thomas and Mary Ann Louisa Mallows.
I have so much to learn. :) My Norwegian part of the tree was easy. The German side is coming along slowly. But the English section had me stumped. Many thanks.
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Rosa Lilian Christmas, mother’s maiden name Harrall, birth reg Dec qtr 1909 Croydon 2a 320a.
By the looks of it she was born 30 October 1909 and baptised 15 November 1909 (as Rosie Lilian Christmas) at Thornton Heath, Surrey.
Parents: John (a labourer), and Sarah Elizabeth, of 98 Bensham Grove.
Welcome for me as well
There is an incoming passenger list below for a Rosa L Mallows from USA which confirms the birth date that avm228 found - Rosa was also travelling with a 5 year old boy with the same surname
Rosa L Mallows
Arrival Age: 46
Birth Date: 30 Oct 1909
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 16 Oct 1956
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: United States
Shipping Line: United States Line
Kay
This was interesting... I wasn't aware that Grandma Kathleen's mother had come to the U.S. I was under the impression that Kathleen didn't get to see her family too often. Kathleen married Grandpa (Wartime marriage) in 1944 at age 16, traveled to the U.S. in 1946 and gave birth to my mother. When my mother was 3 years old, Kathleen took her with to Reading for 3 - 4 months.... where my Uncle Richard was born. They returned to the U.S. in June 1950. The third/final child was born in 1959 in the U.S.
This is becoming one of my favorite sites. :) I honestly didn't expect the response I have gotten so far....
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It is a brilliant site and I love your furry assistants ;D
I think this might be Susannah Mallows - admitted to Lambeth Workhouse with her was son Charles Malllows age 5 months She was admitted from the Renfrew Road Workhouse and her brother is listed as Wm of 10 Tower St and I see your Susanah's son Henry was living at the address with uncle William and family in 1901 Looks like son Charles dies later in 1902
Susan Mallows
Admission Age: 27
Record Type: Admission
Admission Date: 31 Jul 1902 Lambeth, London
Kay
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I should have clarified that Susan and child were admitted to the Infirmary of the Workhouse in 1902 and just Susan was discharged on 21 Nov 1902. The record is on Anc...try
Kay
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It is a brilliant site and I love your furry assistants ;D
I think this might be Susannah Mallows - admitted to Lambeth Workhouse with her was son Charles Malllows age 5 months She was admitted from the Renfrew Road Workhouse and her brother is listed as Wm of 10 Tower St and I see your Susanah's son Henry was living at the address with uncle William and family in 1901 Looks like son Charles dies later in 1902
Susan Mallows
Admission Age: 27
Record Type: Admission
Admission Date: 31 Jul 1902 Lambeth, London
Kay
That is quite the handsome and relaxed avatar you have.... :)
I googled "Workhouses"... uuhhh, sounds rather depressing. We had similar facilities in the States... everyone grouped together... ill or not. I also saw that London had a smallpox epidemic from the end of 1901 into 1902. Wonder if they went there for illness... or perhaps fell ill while housed?
I must ask... is research a hobby or profession for you? The multitude of info and details you have dug up would've taken me months.... if I found it at all. I am much appreciative of your efforts. The "assistants" also send their thanks.
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I would think Susan and son were transferred to the infirmary because of illness and possibly of the son who appears to have died later in the year.
Family history is a hobby for me and I think most other people on the Roots but a very absorbing hobby and helped by having many different minds to puzzle over problems
My avatar Bix sends to thanks for your kind comments and asks me to pass on to your assistants a link to a thread on Roots for our purring friends https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=810210.0 ;D
Kay
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Well, a heartfelt thanks to avm228, Kay99, and jennifer c.... I have now advanced the Mallows line 3 generations, gotten a great start on the Christmas line.... AND apparently added to numerous other trees on MyHeritage (apparently others were stuck in the same place). It was great to see all the alerts pop up as soon as I entered the correct info.
And now more of my work time is going to be spent perusing this site. :)
You guys are awesome!
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Beware - Rootschat is addictive :D
Charles “Mallow” was discharged “dead” from the workhouse infirmary on 14 November 1902, aged 7mo*. Mother: “Susan, in infirmary”. The baby received a parish burial.
*This is what the record says - but it’s an underestimate; he was 6mo old upon admission in July.
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Henry is in the North Surrey District School, Anerley (a chidlren's home/poor law school) in 1911
He seems to get into the system in 1907 (indexed as Henry i Mallows)
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1898 (as recorded)
Admission Date: 19 Jan 1907
Intermediate School Swaffield Road, Wandsworth
Defintely him ,as the name Rachel Mallows in underneath (his aunt)
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Beware - Rootschat is addictive :D
I originally bought two DNA kits for my boyfriend and I.... he was interested in his "mysterious" family history. Turns out his German side is actually French Canadian and not mysterious at all, so he quickly lost interest. I, however, realized how little I knew about my family history and got hooked. It also brought up a mystery of a "cousin" who has contacted me to say she's adopted and wants to know about her/our family. I've narrowed down a section of the family she belongs to, but don't have enough info. to narrow down the related parent (still working on this one).
Add in the 1880s farmhouse we acquired with undocumented history and an unexplored backyard..... and I think I've been trapped by history. :) It looks like Rootschat will fuel that even more.
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Henry is in the North Surrey District School, Anerley (a chidlren's home/poor law school) in 1911
He seems to get into the system in 1907 (indexed as Henry i Mallows)
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1898 (as recorded)
Admission Date: 19 Jan 1907
Intermediate School Swaffield Road, Wandsworth
Defintely him ,as the name Rachel Mallows in underneath (his aunt)
It definitely appears that he stayed in the system and Susanna didn't regain custody. Perhaps there was a reason she couldn't...
Thanks for the additional info!
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Just come across a Mr H Mallows of 78 Henley St, Battersea aged 25 going to Australia as a farm labourer in 1923
Quick check on the address shows this is William and Rachel's home.
Haven't found him coming back yet